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Post by shaxper on Mar 26, 2017 20:29:56 GMT -5
It's still seven films away in this review thread, but I just saw Logan today. Holy sh**. Everyone needs to see it.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 26, 2017 20:53:57 GMT -5
It's still seven films away in this review thread, but I just saw Logan today. Holy sh**. Everyone needs to see it. Aw, I still say they should have put him in the 23rd century, with a lifeclock, and made it a mash-up, as Logan's Run. This Sandman has claws!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 21:18:49 GMT -5
shaxperI saw Logan a little over a week ago and I was stunned how well Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart did this movie together and I was very impressed with it. I'm thinking of seeing it again in a day or two.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Mar 27, 2017 1:03:34 GMT -5
I saw The Last Stand once when it came out in theaters in 2006 I believe. Haven't seen it again since. It was pretty bad. Watchable, but bad. And the portrayal of Juggernaut was a slap in the face to the character.
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Post by impulse on Mar 27, 2017 10:59:52 GMT -5
Personally, I still enjoyed this third X-Men movie more than I've ever enjoyed an X-Men comic.  Get. Out. j/k But seriously, as a decades-long X-Men fan, this movie was abysmal as an adaptation. I also find it being the most disappointing because the trailer looked amazing. Age of Ultron wasn't good, nor were the last two Cap movies. Wait, are you including Winter Soldier in that? Really??? Wow. I think it's arguably the best MCU movie yet, though I might also say the first Iron Man or first Avengers depending what day you ask me. I thought it was both a great Cap film and just a great spy thriller action movie on its own. To each his own. And Captain America 3 (why was it even a Cap film when it had all the Avengers in it?) Okay, are you pulling our legs here now?  I do agree it was more an Avengers movie than a Cap movie, though. Winter soldier was a great film but Civil war was a serious downer. WS murdered Starks parents and we are supposed to be okay with " he was brainwashed " But he WAS brainwashed. Yes, he did it, but he was a victim, too. It's not like Bucky Barnes just chose to do it of his own volition. I don't think we're supposed to be okay with it, per se. It's his character arc and tragedy of his story, too. Definitely a morally grey character, for sure. It's still seven films away in this review thread, but I just saw Logan today. Holy sh**. Everyone needs to see it. Yes, it was amazing. I'm so glad the studio took the risk, even if at (six) knife-point, to go full on R-rated. It was nice to see a Wolverine movie where they didn't need to unrealistically censor the character. Plus of course the writing and acting being amazing helped. |
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Post by badwolf on Mar 27, 2017 11:09:04 GMT -5
Wait, are you including Winter Soldier in that? Really??? Wow. I think it's arguably the best MCU movie yet, though I might also say the first Iron Man or first Avengers depending what day you ask me. I thought it was both a great Cap film and just a great spy thriller action movie on its own. To each his own. If there is a less interesting character than the Winter Soldier then I hope I never see it. Even if I hadn't known who he was beforehand (I've never read the comics but I know of the story), I don't think I would have found it thrilling. IMO the best MCU films were the first Iron Man and Captain America films. Okay, are you pulling our legs here now? I do agree it was more an Avengers movie than a Cap movie, though. I don't care for the "civil war" concept to begin with, and it was just the heroes fighting each other for two hours. *Yawn* Why did they have to bring the Winter Soldier back?? *Yawn* And why was Spider-Man (yet another new one) there at all? |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 27, 2017 11:25:24 GMT -5
Wait, are you including Winter Soldier in that? Really??? Wow. I think it's arguably the best MCU movie yet, though I might also say the first Iron Man or first Avengers depending what day you ask me. I thought it was both a great Cap film and just a great spy thriller action movie on its own. To each his own. If there is a less interesting character than the Winter Soldier then I hope I never see it. Even if I hadn't known who he was beforehand (I've never read the comics but I know of the story), I don't think I would have found it thrilling. IMO the best MCU films were the first Iron Man and Captain America films. Okay, are you pulling our legs here now? I do agree it was more an Avengers movie than a Cap movie, though. I don't care for the "civil war" concept to begin with, and it was just the heroes fighting each other for two hours. *Yawn* Why did they have to bring the Winter Soldier back?? *Yawn* And why was Spider-Man (yet another new one) there at all? Spider-Man was there because he's popular and Marvel got the rights back and they wanted to tease the new Spider-Man movies. Oh...and he's by far the best version of Spider-Man to hit the screen. If Winter Soldier is the least interesting character you've ever seen you can't have read more than a handful of books in your life. |
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Post by Confessor on Mar 27, 2017 11:26:28 GMT -5
Personally, I still enjoyed this third X-Men movie more than I've ever enjoyed an X-Men comic. Get. Out. j/k But seriously, as a decades-long X-Men fan, this movie was abysmal as an adaptation. And that's the thing: X-Men comics fans might've hated it, but it would appear from the box office returns and DVD sales that the much bigger general public audience loved The Last Stand. At the time it was the highest-grossing film in the X-Men franchise, until X-Men: Days of Future Past beat it. Thing is, I'm not an X-Men fan at all, so I simply don't care whether it did or didn't do the characters justice. I just thought it was an enjoyable superhero flick and a worthy sequel to the first two movies, although it wasn't quite as good as either of them. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 27, 2017 11:34:54 GMT -5
Get. Out. j/k But seriously, as a decades-long X-Men fan, this movie was abysmal as an adaptation. And that's the thing: X-Men comics fans might've hated it, but it would appear from the box office returns and DVD sales that the much bigger general public audience loved The Last Stand. At the time it was the highest-grossing film in the X-Men franchise, until X-Men: Days of Future Past beat it. Thing is, I'm not an X-Men fan at all, so I simply don't care whether it did or didn't do the characters justice. I just thought it was an enjoyable superhero flick and a worthy sequel to the first two movies, although it wasn't quite as good as either of them. To be fair...the critics also either hated or were indifferent to it. So it wasn't just X-men comics fans. And it earned over half its domestic gross in the first weekend and plummeted by 67% from weekend one to weekend two. So it didn't have huge legs. I was never what you would call a huge X-Men fan. I read the book for a few years in the Byrne era. And I haven't seen Last Stand since it came out (I don't remember if I saw it in the theater or on DVD). But I thought it was a mess when I saw it and I haven't seen it since, to my knowledge. |
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Post by shaxper on Mar 27, 2017 11:37:36 GMT -5
And that's the thing: X-Men comics fans might've hated it, but it would appear from the box office returns and DVD sales that the much bigger general public audience loved The Last Stand. At the time it was the highest-grossing film in the X-Men franchise, until X-Men: Days of Future Past beat it. Thing is, I'm not an X-Men fan at all, so I simply don't care whether it did or didn't do the characters justice. I just thought it was an enjoyable superhero flick and a worthy sequel to the first two movies, although it wasn't quite as good as either of them. To be fair...the critics also either hated or were indifferent to it. So it wasn't just X-men comics fans. And it earned over half its domestic gross in the first weekend and plummeted by 67% from weekend one to weekend two. So it didn't have huge legs. Agreed. I think Last Stand's success is better attributed to the climate for comic book films at the time than anything else. Folks were excited about this and knew the X-Men franchise had delivered previously, so it had a HUGE opening weekend, but people didn't go back to see it again, and I wouldn't be surprised if the DVD sales were lackluster as well. It's also worth mentioning that Fox gave this film twice the budget of X2, and it only outperformed X2 by 50 million, so that was not a success for Fox. |
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Post by badwolf on Mar 27, 2017 12:19:11 GMT -5
If Winter Soldier is the least interesting character you've ever seen you can't have read more than a handful of books in your life. Ha, okay. What's interesting about him? He has a metal arm. Spider-Man thought that was cool, but he was like 12. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 27, 2017 12:26:08 GMT -5
If Winter Soldier is the least interesting character you've ever seen you can't have read more than a handful of books in your life. Ha, okay. What's interesting about him? He has a metal arm. Spider-Man thought that was cool, but he was like 12. Well he actually looked like a teenager. Which Spider-Man should. Powers don't make a character interesting. Otherwise Silver-Age Superman would actually be interesting. You've got a Soviet assassin who is kept on ice when he's not being used and is used only in the most dangerous and extreme situations. So you have the man out-of-time thing combined with the "anti-Captain America" thing. And Brubaker, being one of the best writer's currently working makes it work perfectly. I didn't expect to like the story because Bucky is supposed to be dead. I should have known that Brubaker would pull it off. |
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Post by Warmonger on Mar 27, 2017 12:34:56 GMT -5
I don't think the Winter Soldier is uninteresting, but I think you can defintely question why Marvel saw it fit to center two straight Captain America movies around him.
Meanwhile Crossbones gets, what, like 5 mins of screen time at the beginning of Civil War before he's done away with?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Mar 27, 2017 12:53:26 GMT -5
Ha, okay. What's interesting about him? He has a metal arm. Spider-Man thought that was cool, but he was like 12. Well he actually looked like a teenager. Which Spider-Man should. Powers don't make a character interesting. Otherwise Silver-Age Superman would actually be interesting. You've got a Soviet assassin who is kept on ice when he's not being used and is used only in the most dangerous and extreme situations. So you have the man out-of-time thing combined with the "anti-Captain America" thing. On top of that he's Cap's best friend turned into an implacable enemy... That's a Greek tragedy in the making! |
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Post by impulse on Mar 27, 2017 13:59:03 GMT -5
And that's the thing: X-Men comics fans might've hated it, but it would appear from the box office returns and DVD sales that the much bigger general public audience loved The Last Stand. At the time it was the highest-grossing film in the X-Men franchise I think its success was due to momentum from the previous two movies being so good and fantastic marketing and promotion, which I think is born out by both the huge plummet in sales the second weekend as Slam pointed out as well as a common trend in other franchises. The third stinker of a movie makes gobs of money due to momentum. Happened to X-Men, Spider Man, Shrek, Pirates of the Caribbean...come to think of it, I think those were all the same year. I remember there being a year of turd - I mean, third entries in well-liked series stinking up the place. Agreed. If the movie was half as good as the trailer promised we'd be having a different conversation. Rotten Tomatoes has only 58% of critics and 62% of fans saying they liked it which is pretty significant as IMO RT fans can be very forgiving to a fault. re: Winter Soldier, I think he has lots of super interesting elements. To agree with and maybe slightly add onto others, you've got the man out of time thing, the foil/anti-Cap, the fact he's a victim too of brainwashing and was forced to do horrible things the man himself would never have chosen to do, the redemption arc, Cap's best friend, spy thriller espionage, just super cool all around. |
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I do agree it was more an Avengers movie than a Cap movie, though.
