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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 10:29:56 GMT -5
I'm guessing Steppenwolf is a precursor to Darkseid's showing up in the next movie. Against an even larger League is my other guess. No. The end credit scene suggests the next movie will be going in a totally different direction.
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 20, 2017 11:24:06 GMT -5
I'm guessing Steppenwolf is a precursor to Darkseid's showing up in the next movie. Against an even larger League is my other guess. No. The end credit scene suggests the next movie will be going in a totally different direction. Ooooh. Are they meeting the JSA?!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 20, 2017 11:40:39 GMT -5
If you'd told 10 year old Slam that they'd be making a Justice League movie and I'd have zero interest in it, I'm sure he'd have been shocked. But I have less than zero interest in this.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 20, 2017 11:48:18 GMT -5
I showed my youngest son (who is a nut for any Marvel movie) Aquabro. His response was "He looks like someone who'd crash on your couch for a couple of weeks and eat all your food."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 12:15:09 GMT -5
No. The end credit scene suggests the next movie will be going in a totally different direction. Ooooh. Are they meeting the JSA?! That would be amazing!
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 20, 2017 15:08:09 GMT -5
I just came back from it and I thought it was pretty good. I didn't have the highest expectations going in, hence why I went to a matinee showing, but I felt it did a good job of keeping me entertained and the ending had me feeling like Warner/DC was going in the right direction with the tone.
Most of the complaints I've seen are unfavorable comparisons to past superhero movies like Iron Man or Captain America and to that my response is that these are two different animals. In a solo picture you have one hero and one villain which makes for a meatier, more character driven story where as team movies like Justice League or the Avengers you have multiple heroes all coming together and and either a slew of villains or a giant threat worthy of bringing them together which necessitates less character building and more of a focus on straight action, excitement and fun visuals. On that level Justice League was successful in my mind; the action was top notch(especially the fight scenes) the chase scene with Batman and the rebirth of Superman were definitely exciting and with visuals that made you just want to stop and soak it all in. So if you're going to compare it to other Superhero films I think you need to look to the big team up films and in that regard I feel it's just as good as the Avengers, and way better than Age of Ultron.
Sure, Steppen Wolf was two dimensional and the motivation for why he came to Earth to conquer it were never really clear or compelling...but then again I can't even remember what the bad guy's name in Avengers was and his reasons for tearing up New York were just as shallow, and Ultron in the second one wasn't much better so it's not as if a thinly defined villain is a unique weakness in these team up films. Even a film like Captain America: Civil War(which I feel is the best Superhero team up film) although the threat was more fully actualized and personal it was definitely still rushed and a little thin in places so I think the element of threat level and villains is always going to be an issue in these types of films because there's only so much time you can devote them in a movie where as in comics you don't have that handicap and can spend a whole year developing a threat if you want to.
On a another positive element, I loved Danny Elfman's score, especially the piece that played in the background during the early scene where the terrorists broke into the museum.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 17:36:53 GMT -5
A = 5 B = 4 C = 3 D = 2 F = 1
Main Villian - Steppenwolf CGI Format - 1.5, not bad and not good and I felt that this character is not worthy for JLA Level at all.
Movie Itself - General Concept - 2.5 - The Music was good and little bit loud for me some nice background (very little of it) Photography is a little below average and all that.
Special Effects - Overall is a 2.0 - not as good as I've it is.
Secondary Characters - Lois Lane, Mera, Alfred ... etc. these are noteworthy - 4.0 across the board.
Plot - See Special Effects, but it is a little bit better and took me about an hour into the movie to understand what's happening here. That's a bad sign for me. 2.0
Aquaman - Jason did an okay job as Aquaman and I liked his interaction with Mera, but he's doesn't ring true as the King of the Seven Seas - the reason for that he's has dark hair and too muscular - Biker Dude Mentality, 2.0
Batman - Ben being a seasoned actor and I felt that he did a better job that I've thought and I felt he did an average job in this movie that disappointed me. 3.0
Cyborg - CGI Format - For the record - I hate CGI Actors and put a face on them and having said that it's had an unnatural look of a superhero. Not natural for me and I just can't stand it at all - 1.0
The Flash - Ezra - See Aquaman for general info, I hated his special effects and not the Flash that I expected to be. 1.5
Superman - Henry did okay and certainly did a better job as Superman in BvS and on par and slightly better than Man of Steel. I felt that his air time did not do justice and should had more air time and that's would had made the movie much, much better. 3.5
Wonder Woman - Gal is the real star of the Movie and I felt that she should had more spotlight and did an exceptional job and did her role very professionally and was dynamic. 5.0
Overall Grade - 2.3 - Barely above D and having said that - I was sad to waited nearly 40 years to see a Justice League Movie - based on Superman The Movie made back in 1978, starring Christopher Reeve as Superman. This is my honest assessment and I'm not seeing it again at all. I just can't wait for Wonder Woman 2 to show up and I do have Wonder Woman on DVD & not having the Justice League at all.
No Green Lantern, No Martian Manhunter, and my general feelings is the direction of Warners Bros ... they failed me to entertain me the joy of seeing a Justice League Movie. I'm very sad to say this that this movie is half of the of the Avengers and I do enjoy that movie and have it on DVD.
Sorry Members for this report.
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Nov 21, 2017 21:15:18 GMT -5
Just got back from seeing it. I thought it was pretty good. The chemistry between the cast was great, and I thought it actually had a good balance between jokes and serious moments. I thought it was pretty obvious some scenes were missing and the villain was underwhelming, but for a bug budget popcorn flick I was satisfied.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 10:12:55 GMT -5
Hard to believe we've seen the same film. I've just seen it and I thought it was absolutely atrocious. The first 90 minutes consisted of virtually nothing but ham-fisted exposition conveyed through unendying amounts of some of the klunkiest dialogue ever consigned to the screen - just hackneyed and dreadfully written. Followed by 30 minutes of truly godawful CGI like a poor video game. The villain is Eeeeeevil because... he's eeevil. It's not as godawful as BvS, but that's a really low bar. Possibly on a par with the mediocre but drastically over-praised Wonder Woman, but still a really really poor film overall - and as for the ending(s) ... both the "oh no, now I feel fear" thing and the excruciating Lois Lane voice over... just eye-rollingly bad.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 3:38:33 GMT -5
Reading this thread, it looks like only 9 of us have seen it - is that right? That in itself seems a pretty damning reaction to it, as I would class this website as a pretty solidly pro-DC community for the most part
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 7:48:35 GMT -5
Reading this thread, it looks like only 9 of us have seen it - is that right? That in itself seems a pretty damning reaction to it, as I would class this website as a pretty solidly pro-DC community for the most part And yet 7/10 liked/enjoyed it. 3/10 hated it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 10:55:22 GMT -5
Agreed, the response here and everywhere seems pretty polarised - people either like it a lot or really hate it. Actually that seems to be the case with most of the DC movies (except Wonder Woman, which has wildly positive response, despite being IMHO a very poor film), whereas the Marvel films seem to get more of a spread of response. There's a school of thought that some of the fan reviews (particularly on RT) are overly-positive just because the DC-fans are desperate for some success and for WB to keep making the DCEU films; I dunno if that's true, but if it is I think it's ultimately a self-defeating attitude - why overrate bad films, surely all that does is to give WB the impression that they can keep churning out sub-par films and they'll just get adoration?
Regardless of personal opinion of the film (and I realise we're far apart on that) I'm more interested at this point why so few people from here are seeing it (or at least talking about it), when I would expect this community to be absolutely chomping at the bit to see a JLA film
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 1, 2017 11:28:58 GMT -5
Agreed, the response here and everywhere seems pretty polarised - people either like it a lot or really hate it. Actually that seems to be the case with most of the DC movies (except Wonder Woman, which has wildly positive response, despite being IMHO a very poor film), whereas the Marvel films seem to get more of a spread of response. There's a school of thought that some of the fan reviews (particularly on RT) are overly-positive just because the DC-fans are desperate for some success and for WB to keep making the DCEU films; I dunno if that's true, but if it is I think it's ultimately a self-defeating attitude - why overrate bad films, surely all that does is to give WB the impression that they can keep churning out sub-par films and they'll just get adoration? Regardless of personal opinion of the film (and I realise we're far apart on that) I'm more interested at this point why so few people from here are seeing it (or at least talking about it), when I would expect this community to be absolutely chomping at the bit to see a JLA film It's probably because Wonder Woman is the only good film DC has made since Batman Begins...and I like that one less each time I watch it. There was absolutely nothing in the trailer that made me want to see the film. I'm not interested in Aqua-Bro. I'm not interested in CGI-Cyborg. Flash comes across as incredibly annoying. And I'm sure that Superman will come in at the end to save the day and Superman is the single most boring superhero in existence. DC's movies simply don't get any benefit of the doubt. I may see it when it streams somewhere if I have nothing else to do.
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Dec 1, 2017 15:45:35 GMT -5
When it comes to superhero movies I'm really starting to get tired of the Marvel formula, especially as it moves into a parody of itself. I saw Jusice League very soon after Thor Ragnarok, which really left a bad taste in my mouth. Ragnarok was so filled with jokes that it felt less like a superhero movie and more like a Mel Brooks movie. Sure, I laughed at a lot of them, but I had zero investment, and any moment that should have had any drama, tension, or resonance was badly undercut by the need to make jokes every few seconds. Justice League was a breath of fresh air after Marvel's moving to making spoofs of the super-hero genre, It had plenty of jokes and one-liners, but when it needed to be serious it dialed them back enough. I'm not against jokes in superhero movies. I think they're necessary and a big part of the problem with MoS and BvS is the lack of them, but when the movie is nothing but jokes it's just grating.
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Post by Randle-El on Dec 1, 2017 21:58:13 GMT -5
Regardless of personal opinion of the film (and I realise we're far apart on that) I'm more interested at this point why so few people from here are seeing it (or at least talking about it), when I would expect this community to be absolutely chomping at the bit to see a JLA film I have three small kids at home, so going out to see a movie in the theaters takes coordination -- baby sitters, advance ticketing, getting them to bed, etc. It's not difficult mind you, but it represents extra hoops my wife and I have to jump through. I also happen to have a pretty kick-ass home theater system with a real screen and HD projector and 7.1 surround sound. So given all this, we generally only see a few movies a year in the theaters. In order to qualify, it has to be something that I'm highly anticipating (enough that I don't want to wait for home video), and is generally expected to be a crowd pleaser. These days, that has translated into the annual Star Wars installment, and maybe 1 or 2 of the big superhero films. For us to go through the trouble of getting to the theater when I could just wait few a months until it's available for me to watch in the comfort of my home, I have to know that it'll be worth the effort. Which is why I tend to wait for early word of mouth rather than opening weekend. The only DC film I watched in the theater was Man of Steel, and I was pretty disappointed -- and I consider myself a big Superman fan (if my screen name is not a giveaway) who really wanted to like the movie. After that, I've been cautious with the DC films. Pretty much all of them, with the exception of Wonder Woman, have had middling word of mouth at best, so I've not bothered to see them in the theater. I waited for home video on Batman v Superman, and it was the right call. Even though WW was well-reviewed, I still waited for video because I'm honestly not the biggest WW fan, so it wasn't a must-see for me. I had zero desire to see Suicide Squad. By the time Justice League rolled around, I already knew it was going to be a home video one for me, just because DC's track record has been so lackluster.
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