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Post by Cei-U! on Aug 23, 2014 11:01:32 GMT -5
Nothing at all wrong with [the Dixie Chicks]. "Goodbye Earl," in particular, is a great single. And of course the fact that, unlike any number of other popular artists (especially in their genre), they were willing to rear up on their hind legs & express revulsion & shame at the thuggish, wet-brained moron then illegally occupying the White House is one helluva point in their favor. I couldn't agree more, on all counts. Cei-U! Defiance never sounded better! |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Aug 23, 2014 12:01:47 GMT -5
Nothing at all wrong with those guys. "Goodbye Earl," in particular, is a great single. And of course the fact that, unlike any number of other popular artists (especially in their genre), they were willing to rear up on their hind legs & express revulsion & shame at the thuggish, wet-brained moron then illegally occupying the White House is one helluva point in their favor. I generally respect your taste in music, Dan, but we'll have to agree to disagree on the merits of the Dixie Chicks. I have a strong bias against most country that's not of the 70's outlaw variety. For me most all country music is less than tolerable to my ears. But we do need someone in country music to voice an opinion that's more intelligent the Toby Keith's insanity. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Aug 23, 2014 12:35:32 GMT -5
I love The Dixie Chicks! And "Shut Up and Sing" is a great movie.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 23, 2014 13:24:58 GMT -5
And of course the fact that, unlike any number of other popular artists (especially in their genre), they were willing to rear up on their hind legs & express revulsion & shame at the thuggish, wet-brained moron then illegally occupying the White House is one helluva point in their favor. Only the goddess Kali has enough thumbs to express what I think of that statement!!!  |
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Post by Hoosier X on Aug 23, 2014 14:25:58 GMT -5
I just discovered there's more than one Shakespeare thread on the Byrne Forum!
Byrne mostly argues that the Earl of Oxford must have written the plays because we don't have Shakespeare's college transcripts.
Warning: I'm paraphrasing. A little.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Aug 23, 2014 14:42:23 GMT -5
I would like to check out his house at least once. He has a life-sized replica of C3PO.
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Post by berkley on Aug 23, 2014 16:07:55 GMT -5
Nothing at all wrong with [the Dixie Chicks]. "Goodbye Earl," in particular, is a great single. And of course the fact that, unlike any number of other popular artists (especially in their genre), they were willing to rear up on their hind legs & express revulsion & shame at the thuggish, wet-brained moron then illegally occupying the White House is one helluva point in their favor. I couldn't agree more, on all counts. Cei-U! Defiance never sounded better! I have a lot of respect for the courage of their political stance at that time - and it did take courage because it was received with some pretty extreme hostility in some quarters- but I have to count myself amongst those who didn't like their music. Their version of Fleetwood Mac's Landslide, for example, seems to drain the song of everything that makes the original so effective, even though they didn't make a lot of drastic changes in the arrangement or delivery. It would be interesting to hear someone musically literate (which I definitely am not) analyse the difference between the two version - assuming of course that it isn't just a figment of my own prejudice. |
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Post by Dizzy D on Aug 24, 2014 12:28:19 GMT -5
I think he's mellowed a lot over the last few years. He used to enforce his nebulous rules with an iron fist. I suppose his burning rage at the cancellation of X-Men: The Hidden Years had to die down sometime. I have read only a single issue of The Hidden Years (a follow-up to the Z'nox story). Based on that, the cancellation was a mercy killing. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Aug 24, 2014 14:16:52 GMT -5
I just discovered there's more than one Shakespeare thread on the Byrne Forum! Byrne mostly argues that the Earl of Oxford must have written the plays because we don't have Shakespeare's college transcripts. Warning: I'm paraphrasing. A little. That's about the quality of the typical argument made against the guy they disdainfully sniff at as "The Stratford Man." Don't engage. It's like arguing with creationists. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Aug 24, 2014 15:32:28 GMT -5
I just discovered there's more than one Shakespeare thread on the Byrne Forum! Byrne mostly argues that the Earl of Oxford must have written the plays because we don't have Shakespeare's college transcripts. Warning: I'm paraphrasing. A little. That's about the quality of the typical argument made against the guy they disdainfully sniff at as "The Stratford Man." Don't engage. It's like arguing with creationists. Byrne looks so bad every time he responds. To him, all Stratfordians are slaves to tradition who have never even considered the evidence. When anyone demolishes one of his (largely irrelevant to begin with) facts about either Stratford or Oxford, he just ignores them, then uses it again a few pages later.
He's also a bald-faced hypocrite. He gets mad at anyone who suggests that the Oxfordians are the same as other conspiracy theorists, yet he continually refers to Stratfordians as part of a lockstep "religion" and that its adherents can't think for themselves.
Nearly every one of his weak rebukes starts with "So typical of Stratfordians to ..." and he describes a tactic that he doesn't like. But it usually can be translated to "So typical of the Stratfordians to call me out on typical Oxfordian nonsense that has been debunked over and over." (You know, JB, it might help your credibility if you actually responded to the argument instead of first belittling the intelligence and the good faith of your critics. Also, admit it when you've overstated your case. And quit using talking points that have been repeatedly shown to be gibberish.)
I'm not engaging because 1) the threads are kind of old and have been closed; and 2) I'd have to register.
You're absolutely right about the similarities between Oxfordians and creationists.
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Post by Jasoomian on Aug 24, 2014 16:37:59 GMT -5
Oxford wrote the poems, but the "Oxfordian case" rapidly falls apart after that, being as Bacon wrote & edited the plays with the input of several others.
Everyone has their totems to clutch...
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Post by Hoosier X on Aug 24, 2014 17:33:18 GMT -5
I don't understand the Oxfordian devotion at all. I can see why some people are a little dubious about the man from Stratford. It would be nice to see a little more hard evidence (well, aside from his name being on all the sonnets and the plays, and his name being frequently attached to acting and theater troupes, and all the other evidence).
But Oxford is a bad candidate, and all the little bits of circumstantial evidence that link some aspect of his life to something in a Shakespeare play are pretty trivial. Some of them turn out to be false or distorted. (One example: That Oxford wrote Hamlet and based it on his own life. Oxford's father (like Hamlet's) dies under mysterious circumstances. (This turns out not to be true.) Oxford's mother re-marries pretty quickly. (Which really isn't all that uncommon.) Polonius was based on the man who became young Oxford's guardian after his father's death. (Oxfordians treat this as a fact when it's actually just speculation.))
And so on and so on.
And Shakespeare, because we don't have his college transcripts, was an illiterate country bumpkin who somehow became an actor and a stockholder in a major theatrical company and was a fixture for one of the troupes that performed for Queen Elizabeth I and, also, in some vague manner got his name attached to the sonnets and 37 plays that are now considered the greatest masterpieces of English literature.
It's pretty dumb. I don't get the Oxfordians at all.
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Post by berkley on Aug 24, 2014 18:47:08 GMT -5
Byrne probably thinks he wrote them himself, but he's too modest to come right out and say it.
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 24, 2014 22:10:25 GMT -5
I really liked this Hidden Years title.
The only way I can see him ever doing anything for Marvel is if they finally reboot, or something to that effect.
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Post by Jasoomian on Aug 24, 2014 22:12:59 GMT -5
Byrne's rage at HIDDEN YEARS being canceled is just and righteous.
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