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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 22, 2017 18:24:13 GMT -5
Next time, something a bit more positive: Wayne Vanzant's Battlegroup Peiper, from Caliber. If you thought Enemy Ace was daring, how about a book focusing on an SS officer, in the Battle of the Bulge, with some of the most infamous incidents of the European theater surrounding him (apart from the fighting on the Eastern Front)?
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Post by Confessor on Jul 23, 2017 5:50:06 GMT -5
The Nam was a more personal story, inspired by Doug Murray's experiences in Vietnam, as well as Michael Golden's fantastically evocative art. After the first year, The Nam hit a wall, as Ed Marks finished his tour of duty. It tied to shift focus; but, without that central point of view, it seemed to lose a step. As time wore on and editorial interference at Marvel increased, the book suffered. There were still good stories; but, not as good as that first year. It hit rock bottom when the Punisher was inserted into the book, in an effort to boost sales. Fans of the realism in it balked and the book soon died off, Murray having long ago left in a dispute. I've never heard of the Semper Fi comic. Looks interesting. I love the 'Nam. I agree that the first year's worth of stories, following Ed Marks' tour of duty, where the best, but even after that, the series was really good for a fair while. I'd say the first 40 or so issues were pretty great. After that it kinda trailed off and the Punisher coming into the book was the absolute nadir, as you say.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 23, 2017 21:03:26 GMT -5
The Nam was a more personal story, inspired by Doug Murray's experiences in Vietnam, as well as Michael Golden's fantastically evocative art. After the first year, The Nam hit a wall, as Ed Marks finished his tour of duty. It tied to shift focus; but, without that central point of view, it seemed to lose a step. As time wore on and editorial interference at Marvel increased, the book suffered. There were still good stories; but, not as good as that first year. It hit rock bottom when the Punisher was inserted into the book, in an effort to boost sales. Fans of the realism in it balked and the book soon died off, Murray having long ago left in a dispute. I've never heard of the Semper Fi comic. Looks interesting. I love the 'Nam. I agree that the first year's worth of stories, following Ed Marks' tour of duty, where the best, but even after that, the series was really good for a fair while. I'd say the first 40 or so issues were pretty great. After that it kinda trailed off and the Punisher coming into the book was the absolute nadir, as you say. I'd agree on The Nam, possibly through the third year. I did feel it didn't have the same scope or complexity that Vietnam Journal had, but Lomax worked without restrictions, while The Nam was a Code-approved book. Lomax even did some writing on the series, after Murray left (can't remember if he was before or after Chuck Dixon) and Wayne Vanzant was doing a lot of the art. They certainly tried.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 21:19:00 GMT -5
The Nam was a more personal story, inspired by Doug Murray's experiences in Vietnam, as well as Michael Golden's fantastically evocative art. After the first year, The Nam hit a wall, as Ed Marks finished his tour of duty. It tied to shift focus; but, without that central point of view, it seemed to lose a step. As time wore on and editorial interference at Marvel increased, the book suffered. There were still good stories; but, not as good as that first year. It hit rock bottom when the Punisher was inserted into the book, in an effort to boost sales. Fans of the realism in it balked and the book soon died off, Murray having long ago left in a dispute. I've never heard of the Semper Fi comic. Looks interesting. I love the 'Nam. I agree that the first year's worth of stories, following Ed Marks' tour of duty, where the best, but even after that, the series was really good for a fair while. I'd say the first 40 or so issues were pretty great. After that it kinda trailed off and the Punisher coming into the book was the absolute nadir, as you say. I started picking up the Semper Fi issues when someone here (I think it was Dan B.) recommended in the 12 Days of Christmas we did that featured favorite short series. I had just gottent he last one I needed on a hunting trip earlier this year, but haven't had a chance to read the series yet. -M
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Post by Confessor on Jul 24, 2017 5:25:10 GMT -5
I've never heard of the Semper Fi comic. Looks interesting. I love the 'Nam. I agree that the first year's worth of stories, following Ed Marks' tour of duty, where the best, but even after that, the series was really good for a fair while. I'd say the first 40 or so issues were pretty great. After that it kinda trailed off and the Punisher coming into the book was the absolute nadir, as you say. I'd agree on The Nam, possibly through the third year. I did feel it didn't have the same scope or complexity that Vietnam Journal had, but Lomax worked without restrictions, while The Nam was a Code-approved book. Lomax even did some writing on the series, after Murray left (can't remember if he was before or after Chuck Dixon) and Wayne Vanzant was doing a lot of the art. They certainly tried. I really need to track down Vietnam Journal. A number of trustworthy folks here have recommended it to me, based on my love of the 'Nam comic.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 24, 2017 9:16:40 GMT -5
Vietnam Journal is one of the best, most honest war comics I ever read. Don Lomax filters his experiences through it, and those of other veterans. There is an authenticity there and he ties the stories to actual operations. He also has a narrative focus that The Nam lost, when Ed Marks was gone. Scott "Journal" Neithammer is a journalist covering the war, with the troops. He is there with them, in the jungle, at the base, in the choppers, on the boats; witnessing everything. He discusses their feelings about their enemy, their commanders, the politicians, the protesters, etc. He also goes beyond the Army infantry, moving the character around. He spends time with Air Cav, the Marines at Khe Sanh, even time with a SEAL team, in the Mekong Delta. He even looks at the Shining Brass recon teams that operated under CIA control, although that mini-series stretched credibility. There was a lot in there that made me go, "Oh, come on..." However, Vietnam was a strange war. Secret CIA mountain bases in China was a little too James Bond for me to buy.
Lomax's art tends more to the Underground style; somewhat raw, occasionally wonky perspective, but expressive and in service to the story. He gets the details of uniforms and equipment, without fetishizing them. His soldiers look and carry themselves like the real thing, something mainstream war comics rarely succeeded at. Lomax also didn't have the restrictions of a mainstream company (or Code approved book) so the language is raw and true. Also, Journal finds himself in situations where he has to take a stand.
You can get the series in trades, collecting major segments of the series. It's also a pretty good history lesson about the combat stages of the Vietnam War. Lomax also did comics about Desert Storm, the first Gulf War, with the character much older, covering another war, but a different one. he should be retiring, but is there (the character is a Korean War vet).
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 25, 2017 18:12:28 GMT -5
Joachim Peiper was born in Berlin, in 1915, the son of middle class German parents, from the Silesian region of Germany (parts of which stretched into Poland and Czechoslovakia). His father had been a hauptmann (captain) in the Imperial German Army, serving in the East African Territories. Joachim did not achieve grades to go to university and followed his older brother, Horst, into scouting and the SS. He worked his way up the SS and became an adjutant to Himmler, which put him in close proximity to many senior SS. he was a favorite adjutant of Himmler. he accompanied Himmler on trips into Poland and France, after the German invasions, and witnessed the execution of Poles and the gassing of inmates at concentration camps. He was later transferred to a combat unit and became noted for aggressive tactics, which earned praise from superiors but resulted in high casualties. He led the relief of German troops at the Third Battle of Kharkov. During that operation, he is alleged to have ordered the massacre of civilians, in response to the deaths of some of his medical personnel. He was awarded the Knight's Cross, Germany's highest military order. He eventually commanded troops in Italy and Belgium. When the Germans launched their assault, which led to the Battle of the Bulge, Peiper was put in command of a Kampfgruppe, with most of the SS armor, including the King Tiger Tank, which was all but impervious to Allied anti-tank weapons. The group became known as Kampfgruppe Peiper, or Battle Group peiper. The comic is written and drawn by Wayne Vansant. Vansant had submitted stories to Marvel's Savage Tales (the revived version), which led to becoming Michael Golden's replacement on The Nam. He also freelanced stories, with work appearing in The New Two-Fisted Tales, Semper Fi and some others, including this one-shot, for Caliber. Since then, he has specialized in historical comics, particularly military history. Our story opens when Peiper's commander, Oberfuhrer Monke asks him to help with a bet, to see if a tank can cover 80 km, on narrow roads and at night. Peiper suspects something is up and accomplishes it in a Panther tank. He doesn't get the money, but, he gets command of the armored spearhead of the German advance through the Ardennes forest, with the objectives of capturing the bridges on the River Meuse and seize Antwerp, splitting the Allies in two. The SS men are not told until just prior to the attack, but are in high spirits, as they are back on the offensive. On Dec 16, at 0500, an artillery barrage was launched. When it ceased, spotlights were turned on low clouds, creating artificial moonlight and the infantry advanced, stunning the green 106th Infantry and 14th Cavalry. They easily pushed through these untested men and sped onward. Peiper pushed slow traffic off the road and dragooned other troops into his advance, such as turning fallschirmjaeger (paratroops) into panzer grenadiers. When he came across an area that wasn't fully cleared of American mines, he rolled armored vehicles over it to clear a path, sacrificing a few vehicles to keep up the speed of the advance. At a crossroads in Belgium, they overwhelmed the 7th Cavalry and took 150 men prisoner. A Belgian farmer atched as troops pulled up in armored trucks and a single shot rang out into the crowd of prisoners, soon followed by others, cutting them all down. The crossroads was the intersection of routes to St Vith and malmedy, and became known as the Malmedy Massacre. By Dec 18, they had seized one major bridge and the town of Stavlot. Then, they ran into Allied counter-attacks. Maj Paul Solis, of the 526 Armored Infantry Battalion noticed Peiper's untis racing on and recognized they were headed for fuel dumps. he raced ahead in a jeep and organized the destruction of the fuel, turning back Peiper's men. They then moved on another bridge, only for the Army engineers to blow it and unload on his tanks with an anti-tank gun. Peiper's men changed course and were attacked by air support. Back in Stavlot, his men went on a rampage, killing 8 prisoners and 100+ civilians. On Dec 19, peiper ran into the 30 Infantry Division, who stopped him cold. he and his men formed a defensive perimeter, to wait for supplies, but, they never came. The counter attack at Stavlot drove off the SS and supplies never made it. Attempts to airdrop supplies mostly landed in Allied hands. The SS men used captured weapons, but had been fighting for 3 days, with little rest. On Dec 23, after communications with his superiors, Peiper left behind his wounded and medical personnel and marched the remainder of his forces back towards their lines. they linked up with the retreating 1st panzer and his command was effectively over, by Dec 26. Peiper was captured in May of 1945, though not identified until August. he was put on trial at Dachau, along with three other SS officers. No evidence could produce written orders for the execution of prisoners and civilians and the Belgian farmer who witnessed the Malmedy shooting said he saw no one who matched Peiper. Peiper was imprisoned but spared the death penalty. he was released in 1957 and then tried to live a quiet life, with his past often catching up to him. In 1976, he was living in a quiet French village, when he was identified and threatened. After sending his wife and daughter back to Germany (after French police declined to aid him) he fought an attack on July 14, Bastille Day, inflicting heavy casualties until he ran out of ammo for a hunting rifle. The house was burnt down and he was later found dead, in the ruins, with the empty rifle. Vansant does a tremendous job of condensing a complex series of events into a coherent narrative. He is noted for his attention to detail and it is here, though never overwhelming the story. He seems to show some sympathy to peiper, as a soldier; but, never shirks away from the reality that the SS men under his command committed atrocities. The Waffen SS had a fearsome and well earned reputation for violence and cruelty and were responsible for some of the worst attacks on civilians in the war. Unlike the Wehrmacht, who tended to adhere more to the Geneva convention, the SS were notorious for their contempt for it. They were fanatics and fought like it. Vansant is a little soft on this point, though he doesn't ignore it. His art is in black and white, with zip-a-tones added for shading effects. His figures aren't the bold, heroic men of Russ heath and Joe Kubert, but more in keeping with people like Harvey Kurtzman and Sam Glanzman. The comic, like many from Caliber, flew under the radar. It was probably the rare shop that ordered it, as Caliber was a small outfit and war comics had long since lost their audience. However, it is a fine piece of graphic history. Joachim Peiper would be the basis for at least two characters in movies. In the film The Battle of the Bulge, he is the template for Robert Shaw's Martin hessler, who leads the advance on the Allies, complete with a scene of the SS men singing, when told of the attack (something Vansant shows, though while on the march). However, Shaw's character is depicted as a Wehrmacht panzer commander, not a Waffen SS Kampfgruppe commander. he is shown to be more noble than the more fanatical peiper, though Peiper's men were fiercely loyal to him. He was also the basis for Peter O'Toole's character in Night of the Generals. Again, the character is a Wehrmacht officer, not SS. He is one of three suspects in the killing of a prostitute, with the other two involved in plots to kill Hitler. The inspiration was based more on Peiper's infamy than actual history. Battle of the Bulge is a decent, if unspectacular film and it gets the main strategy of the offensive correct, even if it takes big liberties with actual incidents. It starts out spectacularly, they kind of meanders for a bit, before building to the climax.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 19:24:47 GMT -5
Well Written and you certainly knows your World War Two History and I'm applauding your efforts in writing this up and I find the movie "Battle of the Bulge" with some respect and admiration but it's has some flaws to it. I find it a tad too long and it has a great build up to the end. I really enjoyed reading this post codystarbuck and thanks for spending time writing this up and presenting it with my stamp of approval. I read that Comic Book ... Battle Group Peiper and he (Vansant) did a great job presenting it as it is with precision and his attention to details is very noteworthy and should be applauded for that.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 25, 2017 20:04:43 GMT -5
I met Vansant at the Atlanta Fantasy Fair, around the time the comic came out. There were a pair of re-enactors there, representing their group, who spent a lot of time talking to vansant. These weren't Civil War re-enactors, as you would expect, in Atlanta; they acted as German soldiers in WW2 and were decked out in primarily SS gear (though there was a mix). To me, they came across as way too into it and looked more like these bozos... At the time, I was a serving naval officer and thought they looked more than a little pathetic. Looking back, they seemed like the types who actually joined the SA and the SS; usually failures at everything else, with an axe to grind with the world, seeking glory and status. I do have to amend my statement above; the Wehrmacht did commit some atrocities, though in a far smaller proportion than the SS. Then again, our hands weren't entirely clean, given things like the fire-bombing of Dresden. There is no such thing as a clean war.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 25, 2017 20:06:42 GMT -5
ps Vansant was nice to talk to, kind of quiet and reserved; but, knew his stuff and did some great work. Kubert and Kanigher would have loved to have had him on their books.
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Post by bran on Aug 8, 2017 2:48:10 GMT -5
... A Sailor's Story is an expansion of the USS Stevens stories and there is some overlap, as Sam's experiences during the war provided a foundation for those tales. Some were not directly personal, but stories he heard and witnessed at the time. Others were embellished for dramatic effect, though never at the expense of reality. ... The book is probably the pinnacle of the war comics, in my estimation, both in artistry and authenticity. Joe Kubert or Russ Heath may have been slicker and more noticed; but, Sam made it feel real; because, to him, it was real. His stories also told you about life outside the battle, about his buddies, the characters, the gags to relieve monotony, and the stark terror. And that's a story (details). Surely it doesn't have twist and turns like Ernie Pike which is compiled out of many sources, or TV show Band of Brothers which follows several threads, but it's not a bit less interesting, it's just different type of storytelling. 1st person point of view, reads like well illustrated letters. You mentioned USS Stevens, for those interested there are 32 4-page installments of USS Stevens, published as backup stories in Our Army at War (28), Sgt. Rock (2) and Weird War Tales (1).
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Post by Hoosier X on Aug 20, 2017 19:08:25 GMT -5
I'm reading Sgt. Fury #21 to #30 and I'm up to Sgt. Fury #26, solo action for Dum Dum Dugan as he helps a U.S. bomber crew destroy a marauding Nazi warship The Sea Shark. Dum Dum was temporarily detailed to the bomber as a tail-gunner and they were shot down and taken prisoner by The Sea Shark. But Dum Dum knows his way around Nazis in a group, even if there's sailors instead of soldiers, and the bomber crew led by Dum Dum doesn't have too much trouble overpowering the guard, finding the explosives, rigging a time-bomb and then blowing up The Sea Shark just as it's about to attack a U.S. transport ship. And as luck would have it, the submarine that surfaces directly under them while they're treading water after their exciting escape just happens to have Fury and the Howlers aboard as they've been sent on a mission to protect the U.S. convoy and get the Sea Shark. The previous issue had the Howlers matching wits (and fists!) with the Red Skull! But he was in disguise on an espionage mission (sometimes as Fury!) and they never knew they were fighting the Red Skull! I'm going to slowly make my way through the Sgt. Fury comics at least as far as the end of the Silver Age (which I'm setting rather arbitrarily at #82) and I was wondering if the longtime Sgt. Fury fans could tell me if there's any real character development or changes in format or whatever from here on. Since the death of Pamela Hawley, it's just been one mission after another and occasional rematches with Strucker and the Blitzkrieg Squad. I like the format well enough, but I don't know how well it will hold up for the next 50 issues or so. I guess Eric Koenig shows up eventually. And I think the Ayers art eventually gives way to ... Herb Trimpe I think for a while. And I know I've seen John Severin inking on Sgt. Fury panels. I guess I'm just wondering how Sgt. Fury as a whole holds up in the long run. (I've read #27 before ... Fury meets Hermann Goering! I love that one! I can't wait to read it again; it's been a while.)
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 20, 2017 21:01:09 GMT -5
I'm reading Sgt. Fury #21 to #30 and I'm up to Sgt. Fury #26, solo action for Dum Dum Dugan as he helps a U.S. bomber crew destroy a marauding Nazi warship The Sea Shark. Dum Dum was temporarily detailed to the bomber as a tail-gunner and they were shot down and taken prisoner by The Sea Shark. But Dum Dum knows his way around Nazis in a group, even if there's sailors instead of soldiers, and the bomber crew led by Dum Dum doesn't have too much trouble overpowering the guard, finding the explosives, rigging a time-bomb and then blowing up The Sea Shark just as it's about to attack a U.S. transport ship. And as luck would have it, the submarine that surfaces directly under them while they're treading water after their exciting escape just happens to have Fury and the Howlers aboard as they've been sent on a mission to protect the U.S. convoy and get the Sea Shark. The previous issue had the Howlers matching wits (and fists!) with the Red Skull! But he was in disguise on an espionage mission (sometimes as Fury!) and they never knew they were fighting the Red Skull! I'm going to slowly make my way through the Sgt. Fury comics at least as far as the end of the Silver Age (which I'm setting rather arbitrarily at #82) and I was wondering if the longtime Sgt. Fury fans could tell me if there's any real character development or changes in format or whatever from here on. Since the death of Pamela Hawley, it's just been one mission after another and an occasional rematches with Strucker and the Blitzkrieg Squad. I like the format well enough, but I don't know how well it will hold up for the next 50 issues or so. I guess Eric Koenig shows up eventually. And I think the Ayers art eventually gives way to ... Herb Trimpe I think for a while. And I know I've seen John Severin inking on Sgt. Fury panels. I guess I'm just wondering how Sgt. Fury as a whole holds up in the long run. (I've read #27 before ... Fury meets Hermann Goering! I love that one! I can't wait to read it again; it's been a while.) The series was always focused on the mission; but, with Gary Friedrich, there is more character development; plus, you have the excellent art team of Dick Ayers and John Severin. The earlier stuff, from Stan Lee and Roy Thomas is very much the wild free-wheeling missions where they buzz through goosesteppers. It had a lot in common with things like Rat Patrol and 60s military action films. With Friedrich, it gits a little more moralistic, though not to the same extent as either Archie Goodwin's Blazing Combat or the DC books, under Kubert. However, there is less of the wisecracking for the sake of comedy, and more of the tense missions, with dark humor as a release.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Aug 21, 2017 2:50:40 GMT -5
Interesting that you posted that screenshot from the Blues Brothers. I've found myself thinking about that scene quite a bit over the past week or so...
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 21, 2017 23:01:23 GMT -5
Interesting that you posted that screenshot from the Blues Brothers. I've found myself thinking about that scene quite a bit over the past week or so... I live in Illinois, the "I hate Illinois Nazis" line was a favorite around here. They were forever trying to march, in Skokie (a Chicago area locale), which the film lampoons so well. Eastern/Northeastern Illinois had very heavy German immigrant populations and had its share of Bund activity, prior to WW2. Chicago has a very heavy Polish population, in parts (Skokie being one of them), which was also known to be a bit on the conservative side. Henry Gibson was brilliant in that film; he's the epitome of the typical Nazi: a failure at everything, looking for someone to blame, propping himself up with pseudo-military regalia. The next best thing was Roderick Spode, from PG Wodehouse's Jeeves and Wooster stories (as wonderfully adapted with Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie). He was modelled after British Nazi sympathizer Oswald Mosley.
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