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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 11, 2017 17:49:54 GMT -5
I decided to alternate between Sgt. Fury and DC war comics for a while. When I've read ten issues of Sgt. Fury, I'll pick one of DC's war heroes and read ten issues of that. So I'm really looking forward to Sgt. Rock, The Haunted Tank, The War That Time Forgot, Johnny Cloud, The Unknown Soldier, Enemy Ace and so on. I decided to start with Mlle. Marie, a series that always sounded pretty cool but I've never read any stories from the original run. Until a few days ago. I'm up to the third issue of her series in Star Spangled War Stories. Mlle. Marie is AWESOME! And Julia Remarque (from 1980s Batman comics) is the daughter Mlle. Marie had with Alfred, Bruce Wayne's butler!
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 11, 2017 21:25:36 GMT -5
I decided to alternate between Sgt. Fury and DC war comics for a while. When I've read ten issues of Sgt. Fury, I'll pick one of DC's war heroes and read ten issues of that. So I'm really looking forward to Sgt. Rock, The Haunted Tank, The War That Time Forgot, Johnny Cloud, The Unknown Soldier, Enemy Ace and so on. I decided to start with Mlle. Marie, a series that always sounded pretty cool but I've never read any stories from the original run. Until a few days ago. I'm up to the third issue of her series in Star Spangled War Stories. Mlle. Marie is AWESOME! And Julia Remarque (from 1980s Batman comics) is the daughter Mlle. Marie had with Alfred, Bruce Wayne's butler! Mlle. Marie was good; but had so much more potential if it hadn't been so constrained by the Code and DC's typical editorial restraint. There were a lot of real world precedents for someone like Marie, in several of the occupied countries. That's why it bugs me that DC hasn't cared about these characters, since the late 60s. Garth Ennis made great use of Enemy Ace, in War in Heaven, where he flies for Germany, on the Eastern Front, in WW2 (I have problems with the set-up to get Von Hammer to fly for Nazi Germany; but, that is the only part of the story with which I have issue) and Bill Tucci did a really nice Sgt Rock. I still want to write the grand DC war character maxi-series, covering the war from beginning to end, via these great characters, in interconnecting books. However, DC would never publish it (unless Alan Moore agreed to do it and gave up all rights to Watchmen, and kissed all of their hinders, etc, etc....) and they certainly wouldn't market it. I see it as the great British documentary series The World at War, with these characters as the POV. You could also make a great movie out of Mlle. Marie, though Paul Verhoeven already trod in that territory, with Black Book (with Game of Thrones' Carice Van Houten). She plays a Dutch Jewish woman, who falls in with the resistance and is tasked with getting close to a German officer, in charge of security units. It also deals with the betrayals of many Dutch Jews, by someone inside the resistance. Verhouven based it on several real people and events.
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 16, 2017 15:47:17 GMT -5
I'm still really enjoying these Mlle. Marie stories! Her series in Star Spangled War Stories was fairly short-lived, from what I can figure out from the Comic Book Database. I was up to SSWS #90 and I clicked on it and I got this: The first story in "The War that Time Forgot" series! I haven't read very many of these but I've come across it a few times over the years ... and they are wonderful! I love this series! Mlle. Marie is still here, but she's been moved off the cover and into the back of the book. And I think she's only got a few more issues before she's bounced out entirely. The Nazis have blown up a dam and inundated a local town. Mlle. Marie dons "frogman" gear and swims around in the underwater village. And she discovers the Nazi's plan! There's a secret tunnel to the ocean and the Nazis are using it to guide their submarines between the village and the Atlantic Ocean! They attack the Allied shipping and then use the tunnel to hide out in the underwater village! The only word I can think of for this writing is ... audacious. But the writing on Mlle. Marie is often audacious. The Comic Book Database does not have credits for this story, but I think Jim Mooney may have worked on the art. I'm pretty sure it's not Jerry Granadetti, the artist on the previous Mlle. Marie stories.
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 17, 2017 18:07:41 GMT -5
Oh Wow! The Brave and the Bold #52 is a lot of fun! Mlle. Marie's series in Star Spangled War Stories only lasted eight issues before she was pushed by dinosaurs! But that didn't stop her! After a short absence, she started making guest appearances in Our Army at War, All-American Men of War and other DC war mags. She appeared 13 times between the end of her own series in 1960 and Our Army at War #203 in 1969. I must have looked at the index wrong because I thought she was in The Brave and the Bold #52 as her first appearance after her series ended, but the story mentioned that she met Sgt. Rock at some point, so I checked the Internet again and she was in issue of Our Army at War before this one. I'll have to read that tonight. Then she didn't appear between 1970 and 1975, but she started appearing again in 1976 and was in a number of late-1970s adventures with Rock and the Unknown Soldier.
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 17, 2017 20:39:53 GMT -5
The early 70s were kind of a transition period, for the war comics. Rock, the Losers, Enemy Ace, Haunted Tank and the Unknown Soldier had proven popular enough that they were the big stars. The Losers kind of rescued those characters, as they were solo features before, but hadn't found a long-term audience, As a team, they found the longevity. Marie kind of got lost in the shuffle for a while. Then, by the mid-70s, a lot of younger talent were getting early assignments on the war books (and mystery titles) and they started revisiting some of those old characters. Enemy Ace had a bit of a hiatus, before getting some more stories, with younger artists. This is where you see him come up against Steve Savage, aka Balloon Buster (later retconned as the grandson of Brian "Scalphunter" Savage and son of Matt Savage, Trail Boss, in Starman). You also see some new features, like Gravedigger, with an African-American hero, Viking Commando, the Creature Commandos, and, briefly, the OSS (victims of the DC Implosion, but used in Suicide Squad).
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 18, 2017 11:17:52 GMT -5
The early 70s were kind of a transition period, for the war comics. Rock, the Losers, Enemy Ace, Haunted Tank and the Unknown Soldier had proven popular enough that they were the big stars. The Losers kind of rescued those characters, as they were solo features before, but hadn't found a long-term audience, As a team, they found the longevity. Marie kind of got lost in the shuffle for a while. Then, by the mid-70s, a lot of younger talent were getting early assignments on the war books (and mystery titles) and they started revisiting some of those old characters. Enemy Ace had a bit of a hiatus, before getting some more stories, with younger artists. This is where you see him come up against Steve Savage, aka Balloon Buster (later retconned as the grandson of Brian "Scalphunter" Savage and son of Matt Savage, Trail Boss, in Starman). You also see some new features, like Gravedigger, with an African-American hero, Viking Commando, the Creature Commandos, and, briefly, the OSS (victims of the DC Implosion, but used in Suicide Squad). One slight disagreement, cody, about the Losers' longevity in their pre-Loser incarnations. Gunner and Sarge held down the lead spot in Our Fighting Forces 45-94, after two straight appearances in All-American Men of War, from May 1959 through August 1965, a respectable run. Johnny Cloud stuck around for five years or so, too. ( All-American 82-117, essentially.) It was Capt. Storm who didn't last too long: three years; just 18 issues. Clearly, though, teaming them up was the ticket; they lasted nearly nine years as the Losers. BTW, something surprising I discovered in looking through sales figures from the early 60s was that it was GI Combat with the Haunted Tank, and not Our Army at War with Sgt. Rock, that was the best-selling of DC's war comics year-in and year-out.
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 18, 2017 11:21:51 GMT -5
The early 70s were kind of a transition period, for the war comics. Rock, the Losers, Enemy Ace, Haunted Tank and the Unknown Soldier had proven popular enough that they were the big stars. The Losers kind of rescued those characters, as they were solo features before, but hadn't found a long-term audience, As a team, they found the longevity. Marie kind of got lost in the shuffle for a while. Then, by the mid-70s, a lot of younger talent were getting early assignments on the war books (and mystery titles) and they started revisiting some of those old characters. Enemy Ace had a bit of a hiatus, before getting some more stories, with younger artists. This is where you see him come up against Steve Savage, aka Balloon Buster (later retconned as the grandson of Brian "Scalphunter" Savage and son of Matt Savage, Trail Boss, in Starman). You also see some new features, like Gravedigger, with an African-American hero, Viking Commando, the Creature Commandos, and, briefly, the OSS (victims of the DC Implosion, but used in Suicide Squad). One slight disagreement, cody, about the Losers' longevity in their pre-Loser incarnations. Gunner and Sarge held down the lead spot in Our Fighting Forces 45-94, after two straight appearances in All-American Men of War, from May 1959 through August 1965, a respectable run. Johnny Cloud stuck around for five years or so, too. ( All-American 82-117, essentially.) It was Capt. Storm who didn't last too long: three years; just 18 issues. Clearly, though, teaming them up was the ticket; they lasted nearly nine years as the Losers. BTW, something surprising I discovered in looking through sales figures from the early 60s was that it was GI Combat with the Haunted Tank, and not Our Army at War with Sgt. Rock, that was the best-selling of DC's war comics year-in and year-out. Thanks for the info, Hal! I'm not at all surprised about the sales figures on Haunted Tank! I like Sgt. Rock OK, but The Haunted Tank is my favorite DC war series.
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 18, 2017 11:30:16 GMT -5
One slight disagreement, cody, about the Losers' longevity in their pre-Loser incarnations. Gunner and Sarge held down the lead spot in Our Fighting Forces 45-94, after two straight appearances in All-American Men of War, from May 1959 through August 1965, a respectable run. Johnny Cloud stuck around for five years or so, too. ( All-American 82-117, essentially.) It was Capt. Storm who didn't last too long: three years; just 18 issues. Clearly, though, teaming them up was the ticket; they lasted nearly nine years as the Losers. BTW, something surprising I discovered in looking through sales figures from the early 60s was that it was GI Combat with the Haunted Tank, and not Our Army at War with Sgt. Rock, that was the best-selling of DC's war comics year-in and year-out. Thanks for the info, Hal! I'm not at all surprised about the sales figures on Haunted Tank! I like Sgt. Rock OK, but The Haunted Tank is my favorite DC war series. See, I was because Rock always seemed to be promoted as the "Superman" of the war line. I liked the Haunted Tank, too, but always got the feeling that Rock was the ne plus ultra of the war characters.
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 18, 2017 12:52:58 GMT -5
Last night, I skipped ahead to the 1970s to see what Mlle. Marie was doing in an issue of World's Finest. It was #247 from the Dollar Comics era and Mlle. Marie was in a Wonder Woman story! So it was AWESOME (if not a particularly a great story) because Wonder Woman met Mlle. Marie! As I was looking for another 1960s Mlle. Marie story I discovered that a couple of those Our Army at War appearances (#164 and #177) are reprints in 80-Page Giants! So I finally made my way to G.I. Combat #123 which has a Mlle. Marie/Haunted Tank cross-over! Hooray! And the art is by RUSS HEATH! So SUPER-DOUBLE HOO-RAY! I don't think Mlle. Marie ever looked so good. The back-up story is pretty good too! A World War I adventure about a guy in an observation balloon who's all grumbly about not being able to fly off and kill the Boche! The fighter pilots make fun of him. But finally he gets his chance and must cope with a series of highly unlikely and also highly entertaining incidents that lets him shake off the shackles and show what he's made of! But really man, that Russ Heath Mlle. Marie/Haunted Tank story is one of the best war stories I ever read in a comic book. Highly recommended.
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 18, 2017 12:57:18 GMT -5
Last night, I skipped ahead to the 1970s to see what Mlle. Marie was doing in an issue of World's Finest. It was #247 from the Dollar Comics era and Mlle. Marie was in a Wonder Woman story! So it was AWESOME (if not a particularly a great story) because Wonder Woman met Mlle. Marie! As I was looking for another 1960s Mlle. Marie story I discovered that a couple of those Our Army at War appearances (#164 and #177) are reprints in 80-Page Giants! So I finally made my way to G.I. Combat #123 which has a Mlle. Marie/Haunted Tank cross-over! Hooray! And the art is by RUSS HEATH! So SUPER-DOUBLE HOO-RAY! I don't think Mlle. Marie ever looked so good. The back-up story is pretty good too! A World War I adventure about a guy in an observation balloon who's all grumbly about not being able to fly off and kill the Boche! The fighter pilots make fun of him. But finally he gets his chance and must cope with a series of highly unlikely and also highly entertaining incidents that lets him shake off the shackles and show what he's made of! But really man, that Russ Heath Mlle. Marie/Haunted Tank story is one of the best stories I ever read in a comic book. Highly recommended. Tootin' My Own Horn Dep't: In case you missed it, I wrote about the DC war character team-ups in another thread. Offered for your perusal. classiccomics.org/thread/3785/comic-lovers-memories?page=10PS: Missed this issue when I was mentioning Mlle. Marie's team-ups. Edited that post to credit you, Hoosier! Thanks!
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Post by brutalis on Sept 19, 2017 8:26:40 GMT -5
Rock was too "real" in a sense for me as a youth so my war comics tended to be towards the more fantasy inspired DC stuff. A tank "haunted" by a Civil War General? For sure I am buying that. Commando's fight on an island lost in time with live dinosaur's is a must buy. An elite war team made of a vampire, werewolf, Frankenstein monster, Medusa and a sometimes ally in a robot has to be read! A man of a million faces hideously scarred infiltrating behind enemy lines infuriating the Fuhrer with each endeavor that plays like an old Universal/Hammer horror story has my nickels and dimes every time!!!
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 19, 2017 22:26:31 GMT -5
I hope to get back to doing some more reviews here, in a couple of weeks, once I get settled in my new place. I've been itching to look at some Unknown Soldier, EC war comics, and Blazing Combat. Oh, and Charley's War, from the UK.
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 19, 2017 23:12:56 GMT -5
I hope to get back to doing some more reviews here, in a couple of weeks, once I get settled in my new place. I've been itching to look at some Unknown Soldier, EC war comics, and Blazing Combat. Oh, and Charley's War, from the UK. I've been meaning to take a look at The Unknown Soldier for years. I've read at least a few of most of the other DC war series (even the Creature Commandos!) but I don't think I've ever read a single Unknown Soldier story. But right now I'm still reading through the last few 1960s Mlle. Marie stories.
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 19, 2017 23:46:55 GMT -5
I hope to get back to doing some more reviews here, in a couple of weeks, once I get settled in my new place. I've been itching to look at some Unknown Soldier, EC war comics, and Blazing Combat. Oh, and Charley's War, from the UK. I've been meaning to take a look at The Unknown Soldier for years. I've read at least a few of most of the other DC war series (even the Creature Commandos!) but I don't think I've ever read a single Unknown Soldier story. But right now I'm still reading through the last few 1960s Mlle. Marie stories. There's some good stuff there. It was a unique hook, with the scarred combat veteran, sent behind the lines on special missions, using an array of disguises. Gerry Talaoc's art really sets the series apart, mixing that Phantom of the Opera look with realistic war stories. It has a sense of tragedy around it, in the best dramatic terms. I've never been fond of the updating of it (same with the Human Target; the classic works better). There are some fantastic covers to the series, too, especially in the early 70s.
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 21, 2017 12:25:39 GMT -5
I'm up to this one in the Mlle. Marie Silver Age stories: I haven't read it yet. But I saw the cover and went Whoa that's weird. I think this will be my last Mlle. Marie for a while. Aside from an issue of All-American Men at War and a couple of issues of Our Fighting Forces that I couldn't find online, I'll be done with Mlle. Marie's Silver Age stories. I'll take up the Bronze Age Mlle. Marie stories later. Up next: Sgt. Fury #31 to #40.
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