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Post by shaxper on Jul 5, 2017 12:19:39 GMT -5
Crimebuster's comment about Steve Englehart's attachment to Mantis here got me thinking. What are some other glaring instances in which a creator was far more attached to one or more character than the readers were? I know Doug Moench got a lot of hate for continually bringing back Nocturna during his first Batman run, but I really felt he redeemed her and made her work the second time around. Did anyone think Dave Sim's Cockaroach character was still funny after his third or fourth appearance in Cerebus? How many fans were cheering when Jack Kirby kept inserting the Newsboy Legion into the pages of Jimmy Olsen? |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 5, 2017 12:31:57 GMT -5
Crimebuster's comment about Steve Englehart's attachment to Mantis here got me thinking. What are some other glaring instances in which a creator was far more attached to one or more character than the readers were? I know Doug Moench got a lot of hate for continually bringing back Nocturna during his first Batman run, but I really felt he redeemed her and made her work the second time around. Did anyone think Dave Sim's Cockaroach character was still funny after his third or fourth appearance in Cerebus?
How many fans were cheering when Jack Kirby kept inserting the Newsboy Legion into the pages of Jimmy Olsen? 'no', and 'few'.  |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 5, 2017 12:37:00 GMT -5
Sadly, it could be argued that 'most fans' loved The Futurians less than Cockrum did.
i was not a member of 'those fans'.
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Post by badwolf on Jul 5, 2017 12:56:15 GMT -5
I can't think of a comics example; the only thing that comes to mind is Stephen Moffat and River Song (from Doctor Who).
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 5, 2017 12:58:46 GMT -5
Selene overstayed her welcome five minutes after first showing up, but Chris Claremont seemed to think she was very cool.
I'd say the same of Purple Ninja Psylocke, but that terrible character developed a fan following. Go figure!
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 5, 2017 13:05:06 GMT -5
I can't think of a comics example; the only thing that comes to mind is Stephen Moffat and River Song (from Doctor Who). being a massive River Song fan from the get-go, this wounds me. how the hell did Clara get more popular than River  |
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Post by shaxper on Jul 5, 2017 13:45:35 GMT -5
I'd say the same of Purple Ninja Psylocke, but that terrible character developed a fan following. Go figure! I don't think it had much to do with her characterization  |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 5, 2017 13:49:50 GMT -5
I'd say the same of Purple Ninja Psylocke, but that terrible character developed a fan following. Go figure! I don't think it had much to do with her characterization laughing.... so... hard... |
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Post by badwolf on Jul 5, 2017 14:51:07 GMT -5
I can't think of a comics example; the only thing that comes to mind is Stephen Moffat and River Song (from Doctor Who). being a massive River Song fan from the get-go, this wounds me. how the hell did Clara get more popular than River I liked River a lot in her earlier appearances, but once the Amy story was over they probably should have let her go. Now she just irritates me. |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 5, 2017 14:57:06 GMT -5
being a massive River Song fan from the get-go, this wounds me. how the hell did Clara get more popular than River I liked River a lot in her earlier appearances, but once the Amy story was over they probably should have let her go. Now she just irritates me.  even The Husbands of River Song story? |
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Post by MWGallaher on Jul 5, 2017 19:27:58 GMT -5
If Jim Starlin's working on something at DC, you can count on his character "The Weird" to show up.
And Roger Stern was awfully fond of his Captain Marvel replacement, Monica Rambeau.
Rambeau does have her fans, for sure, but I don't think very many fans were that taken with The Weird.
Neither of those characters set the comics world on fire, but with creatorship interest that could result in some extra money, I can't really blame either of them for taking advantage of the opportunities to get them in print.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 5, 2017 19:55:47 GMT -5
If Jim Starlin's working on something at DC, you can count on his character "The Weird" to show up. And Roger Stern was awfully fond of his Captain Marvel replacement, Monica Rambeau. Rambeau does have her fans, for sure, but I don't think very many fans were that taken with The Weird. That's true; I liked Monica Rambeau before she was scrapped right before Avengers #300 and turned into a totally different character in Nextwave. She was professional, sort of intimidated by the major leagues but rising to the challenge, and an altogether nice person. That changed us from the angst-ridden characters most of the Avengers had turned into at one time or another. The Weird I never, ever cared about. Just the preview page dissuaded me from even trying the comic! |
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Post by badwolf on Jul 5, 2017 21:45:54 GMT -5
I liked River a lot in her earlier appearances, but once the Amy story was over they probably should have let her go. Now she just irritates me. even The Husbands of River Song story? that one! |
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Post by berkley on Jul 5, 2017 22:12:31 GMT -5
I can't think of a comics example; the only thing that comes to mind is Stephen Moffat and River Song (from Doctor Who). being a massive River Song fan from the get-go, this wounds me. how the hell did Clara get more popular than River I'm sure her looks have something to do with it - probably one of the most attractive actresses around these days. I liked her character at the start because she wasn't intimidated by the Doctor and in fact he was as fascinated by her as she was by him - and not in a romantic way, or at least not primarily. It put their relationship on a more even footing without making them a couple. But they ruined it with the introduction of the boyfriend. After that her story was all about the usual relationship drama, as if to say any woman must be more concerned with her personal romance or whatever than with exploring the wonders of time and space. At the end they really hammered that point home by having her threaten to allow the entire universe to be destroyed if she didn't get her boyfriend back. So for me, Clara went from the very best to one of the very worse Companions. |
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Post by chadwilliam on Jul 5, 2017 23:08:59 GMT -5
Anytime you read dialogue along the lines of "Which of Superman's most brilliant foes could possibly be responsible for turning Metropolis into glass? Luthor? Brainiac? The Purple Nose?" you not only know that someone's pushing really, really hard to get readers thinking of The Purple Nose as being in the same league as Luthor and Brainiac, but that whoever wrote that issue also created The Purple Nose.
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even The Husbands of River Song story?
