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Post by badwolf on Jul 6, 2017 15:13:49 GMT -5
My love of Kat Hepburn and Cary Grant in Bringing Up Baby, which seems to be quite the inspiration for The Husbands of River Song, weeps Ood tears at this.  I love that film too. The similarities hadn't occurred to me. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 6, 2017 15:39:38 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I've ever disliked a character more than Triathlon . Triathalon was a response to constant requests by fans that Busiek do more with his run than relive the glory days and introduce a "new" character to the Avengers built on some classic elements a' la the Vision. He took his inspiration from the classic What If issue featuring the 1950s Avengers and 3-D Man's role in that and tried to build something off of that with the classic suspicious elements new characters introduced into the Avengers always have. In short he gave the fanboy base exactly what they were clamoring for, and typically they hated it. -M "Why can't they ever give us something different?" Gives them something different. "This isn't the comic I've known and loved for the last 40 years." |
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Post by foxley on Jul 6, 2017 17:04:17 GMT -5
Marv Wolfman is inexplicably fond of Danny Chase, and seems genuinely bewildered while the character is loathed by New Titans fans. He has even said in interviews that there is nothing wrong the character but it is the readers fault for not 'getting' him. Sure Marv, that must be it. You didn't create a whiny, irritating character who didn't fit the tone of the book. It's our fault for not 'getting' how brilliant the character is. Danny Chase is truly the Jar-Jar Binks of the Titans world. Don't forget Danny's father, The Vigilante, whom Wolfman pushed with equal zeal. Vigilante was Danny's uncle, not father.  But there were some seriously interesting concepts inherent in Vigilante that got explored in his solo series (not so much in his original appearances in Titans) about the conflict between justice and the law, and about the toll that being a vigilante (lower case v) takes on a person's sanity. Danny was just annoying. |
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Post by foxley on Jul 6, 2017 17:06:15 GMT -5
Cary Bates and one of the stupidest Superman antagonists ever: Terra-Man.  Cary Bates and one of the stupidest (literally) Flash foes ever, Big Sir.  I love Terra-Man. He's a cowboy on a winged horse in space! How can you not love that? No argument on Big Sir, however. |
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Post by shaxper on Jul 6, 2017 17:27:02 GMT -5
Don't forget Danny's father, The Vigilante, whom Wolfman pushed with equal zeal. Vigilante was Danny's uncle, not father. But there were some seriously interesting concepts inherent in Vigilante that got explored in his solo series (not so much in his original appearances in Titans) about the conflict between justice and the law, and about the toll that being a vigilante (lower case v) takes on a person's sanity. Danny was just annoying. My bad. I just remember Wolfman repeatedly inserting him into Titans stories where he really didn't belong. It was exhausting. |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 6, 2017 20:23:56 GMT -5
i'm sure that Claremont loved the N'garai way more than many of us did.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 6, 2017 20:35:53 GMT -5
i'm sure that Claremont loved the N'garai way more than many of us did. I actually thought they were intriguing and was disappointed we didn't see more of their earthly prisons getting disrupted in other Marvel titles. They could have been as omnipresent a threat as Skrulls. |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 6, 2017 20:41:34 GMT -5
i'm sure that Claremont loved the N'garai way more than many of us did. I actually thought they were intriguing and was disappointed we didn't see more of their earthly prisons getting disrupted in other Marvel titles. They could have been as omnipresent a threat as Skrulls. if they'd kept the vibe from when they first appeared, and had been less of an hr giger aliens rip-off, more hp love craft, i'd wholeheartedly agree. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 6, 2017 23:10:47 GMT -5
i'm sure that Claremont loved the N'garai way more than many of us did. Yeah, they popped up in a lot of his books. The Brood, who were basically the extraterrestrial equivalent of the N'garai, were likewise magnitudes more interesting to Claremont than to me.. Both were grotesque races with no redeeming qualities who existed to serve as cannon fodder for the X-Men and other heroes. Cei-U! I stifle the yawn! |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 7, 2017 3:08:49 GMT -5
oh yes, the Brood were boring as bat guano too.
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Post by The Captain on Jul 7, 2017 7:02:49 GMT -5
i'm sure that Claremont loved the N'garai way more than many of us did. I actually thought they were intriguing and was disappointed we didn't see more of their earthly prisons getting disrupted in other Marvel titles. They could have been as omnipresent a threat as Skrulls. The only other title I can remember them showing up in was one issue of the Darkhold book in the 90s, but I agree that the idea of their cairns being scattered across the globe, just waiting for some unknowing sap to muck with, held a lot of unrealized potential. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 7, 2017 7:32:03 GMT -5
I actually thought they were intriguing and was disappointed we didn't see more of their earthly prisons getting disrupted in other Marvel titles. They could have been as omnipresent a threat as Skrulls. The only other title I can remember them showing up in was one issue of the Darkhold book in the 90s, but I agree that the idea of their cairns being scattered across the globe, just waiting for some unknowing sap to muck with, held a lot of unrealized potential. According to my Marvel index, the N'garai also turned up in Deadly Hands of Kung Fu #22, Doctor Strange #44-45, Haunt of Horror #4, Incredible Hulk # 308, and Marvel Team-Up #79 in addition to their X-Men escapades. All but the Hulk issue were scripted by Claremont. Cei-U! I summon the demon plague! |
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Post by shaxper on Jul 7, 2017 7:43:44 GMT -5
i'm sure that Claremont loved the N'garai way more than many of us did. Yeah, they popped up in a lot of his books. The Brood, who were basically the extraterrestrial equivalent of the N'garai, were likewise magnitudes more interesting to Claremont than to me.. Both were grotesque races with no redeeming qualities who existed to serve as cannon fodder for the X-Men and other heroes. Cei-U! I stifle the yawn! The Brood TERRIFIED me. . . . . . . . . ...Then I saw Alien. Rip-off. |
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Post by The Captain on Jul 7, 2017 8:27:39 GMT -5
The only other title I can remember them showing up in was one issue of the Darkhold book in the 90s, but I agree that the idea of their cairns being scattered across the globe, just waiting for some unknowing sap to muck with, held a lot of unrealized potential. According to my Marvel index, the N'garai also turned up in Deadly Hands of Kung Fu #22, Doctor Strange #44-45, Haunt of Horror #4, Incredible Hulk # 308, and Marvel Team-Up #79 in addition to their X-Men escapades. All but the Hulk issue were scripted by Claremont. Cei-U! I summon the demon plague! Thanks for the info, Kurt! I have read the Dr. Strange issues, and I own the Hulk and MTU issues but haven't read them yet. Not sure why I didn't recall their appearance in Dr. Strange, but maybe it just didn't make enough of an impact on me. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 7, 2017 10:20:24 GMT -5
i'm sure that Claremont loved the N'garai way more than many of us did. Yeah, they popped up in a lot of his books. The Brood, who were basically the extraterrestrial equivalent of the N'garai, were likewise magnitudes more interesting to Claremont than to me.. Both were grotesque races with no redeeming qualities who existed to serve as cannon fodder for the X-Men and other heroes. Cei-U! I stifle the yawn! I loved the Brood, for my part, but they should never have been recurring villains. Their original storyline ends with the utter destruction of their world, and the genocidal actions of the X-Men were an interesting discussion point. That should have been the end for them. Each further appearance made them less and less interesting, to the point of utter pointlessness; from a truly disturbing horror, they became run of the mill generic space baddies. I see them like Mangog. They're not characters that can endure repeated uses. |
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