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Post by hondobrode on Jul 9, 2017 11:52:30 GMT -5
Yes, I really liked Hal as the Spectre.  Not many of us out there I guess, but his redemption of his Parallax stint made sense to me. In fact, I liked Hal the best as Parallax; a guy with all this power and po'd that he's followed the rules all these years, he tries to do a good thing helping Coast City, and all his friends come down on him.  It was established that as a pilot, before becoming GL, he was an alcoholic. He was driving drunk and crashed and caused a friend's paralysis. Going back to things like that, the alcoholism and his friend's paralysis, along with all of what happened with Mongul, he simply had a cosmic breakdown. Later, as the Spectre, he wrestled with his redemption before coming back as a GL. Frankly, I like the other 3 (Guy, John and Kyle) better than Hal, but this period of Parallax and the Spectre are my favorites of Hal Jordan. |
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Post by coke & comics on Jul 9, 2017 15:20:06 GMT -5
Mostly hate resurrections. I agree Wonder Man was a good one. Mainly because he was such a minor footnote prior to his death.
Certain ones I accept, such as Professor X's. Mainly because they happened so early in the character's history that my brain just accepts it as canon.
Worst ever is Jean Grey's. Also, Norman Osborn's. No wait, Aunt May's is the worst.
I have mixed feelings regarding Warlock. I read his resurrected stories first and love Infinity Gauntlet. But in the context of the original stories, his resurrection along with Pip and Gamora does seem in poor taste. Also, Thanos should have probably stayed dead. But then, I really love Infinity Gauntlet. So very mixed feelings.
Any planned resurrections are fine. Captain America's during Brubaker's run was fine, because the story was designed with both his death and resurrection in mind. I don't necessarily accept that Captain America wasn't already dead though. See also Aunt May's from Wolfman's Spider-Man. He didn't actually intend to kill her. Whereas Demateiss did intend to kill her.
Most villains should learn to stay dead. I accept the occasional "fell-into-the-ocean-with-corpse-not-recovered" thing.
I threw Civil War: The Return across the room. Lucky they reversed themselves.
I accept Bucky's resurrection because it led to such a good story. But a story has to be at least that good to justify it.
Anyways-- Best: Wonder Man; Worst: Aunt May
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Post by tarkintino on Jul 9, 2017 16:49:31 GMT -5
Worst: Norman Osborn. His death (and the tragedy that set his demise in motion) was the prefect end to a long-standing villain of the worst kind. After years of Spider-Man being tormented by Osborn/Green Goblin knowing his true identity, and fearing some sort of doom (each reappearance worst than the last), it finally happens with Gwen Stacy's death. After Spider-Man's nightmare come alive at the hands of Osborn, what better way (in the tradition of fiction's best) than to have the villain finally meet his end with as much instant shock and violence as he deserves--at his own hand, as if he was fated to end that way?
Bringing him back wiped that legendary story away--all that it meant in the continuing development of Peter Parker, and the rest of his "world" all because Marvel felt they needed a "big bad" on a level they could not match with the rest of Spider-Man's overpopulated rogues' gallery. You can add all of that bull from "Sins Past" to this, too.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Jul 9, 2017 17:03:28 GMT -5
^Yes that would have to be the worst one for me too. Also, not sure if it is considered a resurrection but bringing back the Spider-man clone as starting the whole Ben Reilly/Spider-Man saga is something that ruined Spider-Man for a long time. Don't get me wrong, it introduced a killer costume but the idea of clones was just messy. I wish the writers at the time had just used the concept that was later used by Strazynski with Ezekiel in that someone else could have been bitten by a radiated Spider and developed powers (perhaps later than Parker or perhaps they had decided to keep it more secret).
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Post by String on Jul 9, 2017 17:46:14 GMT -5
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 9, 2017 18:35:48 GMT -5
Worst: Norman Osborn. His death (and the tragedy that set his demise in motion) was the prefect end to a long-standing villain of the worst kind. After years of Spider-Man being tormented by Osborn/Green Goblin knowing his true identity, and fearing some sort of doom (each reappearance worst than the last), it finally happens with Gwen Stacy's death. After Spider-Man's nightmare come alive at the hands of Osborn, what better way (in the tradition of fiction's best) than to have the villain finally meet his end with as much instant shock and violence as he deserves--at his own hand, as if he was fated to end that way? Bringing him back wiped that legendary story away--all that it meant in the continuing development of Peter Parker, and the rest of his "world" all because Marvel felt they needed a "big bad" on a level they could not match with the rest of Spider-Man's overpopulated rogues' gallery. You can add all of that bull from "Sins Past" to this, too. I thought so at the beginning too, except they have used him to be a much more complex character and a larger threat to the MU since he came back. I can forgive them because he has elevated to the level of a Dr. Doom since coming back. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 9, 2017 18:37:27 GMT -5
Mostly hate resurrections. I agree Wonder Man was a good one. Mainly because he was such a minor footnote prior to his death. Certain ones I accept, such as Professor X's. Mainly because they happened so early in the character's history that my brain just accepts it as canon. Worst ever is Jean Grey's. Also, Norman Osborn's. No wait, Aunt May's is the worst. I have mixed feelings regarding Warlock. I read his resurrected stories first and love Infinity Gauntlet. But in the context of the original stories, his resurrection along with Pip and Gamora does seem in poor taste. Also, Thanos should have probably stayed dead. But then, I really love Infinity Gauntlet. So very mixed feelings. Any planned resurrections are fine. Captain America's during Brubaker's run was fine, because the story was designed with both his death and resurrection in mind. I don't necessarily accept that Captain America wasn't already dead though. See also Aunt May's from Wolfman's Spider-Man. He didn't actually intend to kill her. Whereas Demateiss did intend to kill her. Most villains should learn to stay dead. I accept the occasional "fell-into-the-ocean-with-corpse-not-recovered" thing. I threw Civil War: The Return across the room. Lucky they reversed themselves. I accept Bucky's resurrection because it led to such a good story. But a story has to be at least that good to justify it. Anyways-- Best: Wonder Man; Worst: Aunt May I liked the resurrection of Adam, pip and Gamora. Why do you think it was in bad taste? |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 9, 2017 18:48:46 GMT -5
Mostly hate resurrections. I agree Wonder Man was a good one. Mainly because he was such a minor footnote prior to his death. Certain ones I accept, such as Professor X's. Mainly because they happened so early in the character's history that my brain just accepts it as canon. Worst ever is Jean Grey's. Also, Norman Osborn's. No wait, Aunt May's is the worst. I have mixed feelings regarding Warlock. I read his resurrected stories first and love Infinity Gauntlet. But in the context of the original stories, his resurrection along with Pip and Gamora does seem in poor taste. Also, Thanos should have probably stayed dead. But then, I really love Infinity Gauntlet. So very mixed feelings. Any planned resurrections are fine. Captain America's during Brubaker's run was fine, because the story was designed with both his death and resurrection in mind. I don't necessarily accept that Captain America wasn't already dead though. See also Aunt May's from Wolfman's Spider-Man. He didn't actually intend to kill her. Whereas Demateiss did intend to kill her. Most villains should learn to stay dead. I accept the occasional "fell-into-the-ocean-with-corpse-not-recovered" thing. I threw Civil War: The Return across the room. Lucky they reversed themselves. I accept Bucky's resurrection because it led to such a good story. But a story has to be at least that good to justify it. Anyways-- Best: Wonder Man; Worst: Aunt May I liked the resurrection of Adam, pip and Gamora. Why do you think it was in bad taste? Can't speak for Coke & comics, but as far as I'm concerned the life and death of Adam Warlock had been one great, great epic and bringing him back diminished it by diluting it. Kind of like "the further adventures of Romeo and Juliet" would have been if a new play revealed they had miraculously survived. In fact, it's pretty much the same reason I hate Aunt May's resurrection. |
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Post by berkley on Jul 9, 2017 19:45:43 GMT -5
I liked the resurrection of Adam, pip and Gamora. Why do you think it was in bad taste? Can't speak for Coke & comics, but as far as I'm concerned the life and death of Adam Warlock had been one great, great epic and bringing him back diminished it by diluting it. Kind of like "the further adventures of Romeo and Juliet" would have been if a new play revealed they had miraculously survived. In fact, it's pretty much the same reason I hate Aunt May's resurrection. The other thing is, I'd probably overlook all that if they'd come up with a really special story for those resurrected characters, like Coke & Comics said they did for Bucky with The Winter Soldier; but for me, nothing really interesting has been done with Warlock, Thanos, and the rest of that group since that first big Starlin epic. I'm not saying it's been all bad, but nothing has really leapt out at me and made me admit, yeah, it was worth bringing them back for this. Then again, I haven't read every single comic they've appeared in, so it's always possible I've missed all the best stuff. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 9, 2017 20:16:29 GMT -5
Can't speak for Coke & comics, but as far as I'm concerned the life and death of Adam Warlock had been one great, great epic and bringing him back diminished it by diluting it. Kind of like "the further adventures of Romeo and Juliet" would have been if a new play revealed they had miraculously survived. In fact, it's pretty much the same reason I hate Aunt May's resurrection. The other thing is, I'd probably overlook all that if they'd come up with a really special story for those resurrected characters, like Coke & Comics said they did for Bucky with The Winter Soldier; but for me, nothing really interesting has been done with Warlock, Thanos, and the rest of that group since that first big Starlin epic. I'm not saying it's been all bad, but nothing has really leapt out at me and made me admit, yeah, it was worth bringing them back for this. Then again, I haven't read every single comic they've appeared in, so it's always possible I've missed all the best stuff. I mainly disliked everything done with the resurrected Warlock until D&A had him star in Annihilation: conquest. Up to that point, Warlock had become some kind of demiurge, a rather (in my opinion) unsympathetic being of great power acting like a reverse Thanos; sort of like the old Warlock on steroids. In Annihilation, we saw him coming out of his cocoon again, after being forced into it by the great pain that the massive casualties of the first Annihilation had caused him. Only he was brought back too soon, before the cocoon had had time to work its rejuvenative magic on him; the born-again Warlock looked younger, and once once again the ingenue we had met right after his first appearance in Fantastic Four. I thought this was a neat way to bring him back yet again without diminishing his original legacy; this, after all, was essentially a new Warlock, one who had to find his place in the universe. His new role as a quantum wizard was also pretty intriguing. That Warlock was alas a casualty of the D&A's Guardians of the galaxy cancellation, but I also liked how Jim Starlin handled him in his trilogy of hardcovers (especially with the last volume). He is, as far as I can tell, the D&A Warlock, now free of the Magus timeline. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 9, 2017 20:47:28 GMT -5
The changes made to Warlock over the years have been okay with me because I figure every time he cocoons, you never know what will happen.But I just finished reading the latest story " Infinity Entity" and thought it failed. Presently , Adam has an entire reality and universe in his body, and yet he was able to be subdued by a Mephisto using new tech.  I just don't buy it. |
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Post by coke & comics on Jul 9, 2017 22:49:36 GMT -5
I liked the resurrection of Adam, pip and Gamora. Why do you think it was in bad taste? Because it undoes the great story that is Starlin's Warlock epic. A broken man and failing hero searching for purpose who realizes that he's doomed to become a villain, who chooses cosmic suicide instead, and finds in death the peace that life never offered him. It's one of the greatest stories in the history of superhero comics, and to undo that ending and say that "now he's back" is absurd. Especially since he was brought back only to essentially retell the exact same story. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 9, 2017 23:17:30 GMT -5
One of the best, to me at least: I've never really considered that a resurrection. Superman was never going to stay dead. Nobody thought he was going to stay dead. It was just a matter of how they were going to bring him back. It was successful marketing ploy. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 10, 2017 0:12:36 GMT -5
I liked the resurrection of Adam, pip and Gamora. Why do you think it was in bad taste? Because it undoes the great story that is Starlin's Warlock epic. A broken man and failing hero searching for purpose who realizes that he's doomed to become a villain, who chooses cosmic suicide instead, and finds in death the peace that life never offered him. It's one of the greatest stories in the history of superhero comics, and to undo that ending and say that "now he's back" is absurd. Especially since he was brought back only to essentially retell the exact same story. I see your point but I view the original saga as a tale that has an end. This is a different chapter I can separate it in my mind. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 10, 2017 0:19:24 GMT -5
Also, he came back with a different personality than at the end of the final threat story. That's saying a lot considering the same writer wrote both stories.
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I just don't buy it.