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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 10, 2017 0:58:23 GMT -5
i think i'm gonna have to sketch a Warlock piece now. and Mephisto, too.
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Post by coke & comics on Jul 10, 2017 1:03:59 GMT -5
One of the best, to me at least: I've never really considered that a resurrection. Superman was never going to stay dead. Nobody thought he was going to stay dead. It was just a matter of how they were going to bring him back. It was successful marketing ploy. It's a different category. Resurrections that are part of the same story, clearly intended as the ending. Versus stories written with the intention that the character was dead. Only to be retconned. The latter category sucks. The first is fine. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 10, 2017 1:11:52 GMT -5
I must be naive, I thought that Superman was gone for good.  |
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Post by Jesse on Jul 10, 2017 10:12:12 GMT -5
I recently reread Superman: Funeral for a Friend and thought it holds it pretty well.
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Post by SJNeal on Jul 10, 2017 10:47:49 GMT -5
Best: Gotta agree with the previous votes posters who said Wonder Man and Animal Man. Worst: Psylocke. She's my favorite X-Woman, but in true Clarmontian fashion, her resurrection was an long, drawn out mess.
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Post by berkley on Jul 10, 2017 19:35:08 GMT -5
Dormammu had a good one in the early issues of the first Doctor Strange solo series that carried on with the numbering from Strange Tales. I think it was DS #s 171, 172, & 173. The story of Dormammu's destruction in combat with Eternity was a classic Ditko epic and Roy Thomas took exactly the right line with the resurrection, carrying on the whole theme of Dormammu as the rebel deity who dares to attack God Almighty Himself in what is of course a hopeless mismatch, but that's who or what Dormammu is. In his return, he continues to play the part of Milton's Lucifer, building a kingdom of deomns in the hell(ish) dimension to which he had been hurled in the aftermath of that battle.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 11, 2017 2:09:48 GMT -5
I still don't understand how Hawkeye came back after he was killed in Avengers: disassembled. I think it was the " no more mutants" story, But those alternate stories always jam up continuity.
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Post by tarkintino on Jul 11, 2017 6:29:00 GMT -5
Worst: Norman Osborn. His death (and the tragedy that set his demise in motion) was the prefect end to a long-standing villain of the worst kind. After years of Spider-Man being tormented by Osborn/Green Goblin knowing his true identity, and fearing some sort of doom (each reappearance worst than the last), it finally happens with Gwen Stacy's death. After Spider-Man's nightmare come alive at the hands of Osborn, what better way (in the tradition of fiction's best) than to have the villain finally meet his end with as much instant shock and violence as he deserves--at his own hand, as if he was fated to end that way? Bringing him back wiped that legendary story away--all that it meant in the continuing development of Peter Parker, and the rest of his "world" all because Marvel felt they needed a "big bad" on a level they could not match with the rest of Spider-Man's overpopulated rogues' gallery. You can add all of that bull from "Sins Past" to this, too. I thought so at the beginning too, except they have used him to be a much more complex character and a larger threat to the MU since he came back. I can forgive them because he has elevated to the level of a Dr. Doom since coming back. Marvel did not need Discount Lex Luthor--evil businessman / mastermind of all things, screw-twister 'round the clock. They already had enough villains serving that purpose for decades in one form or another). Its as though they thought they did not have--or did not know how to use existing villains in a certain way, so they dig Spider-Man's graves, and add the sick Stacy plot just to pour salt in the wounds. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 11, 2017 10:28:27 GMT -5
I thought so at the beginning too, except they have used him to be a much more complex character and a larger threat to the MU since he came back. I can forgive them because he has elevated to the level of a Dr. Doom since coming back. Marvel did not need Discount Lex Luthor--evil businessman / mastermind of all things, screw-twister 'round the clock. They already had enough villains serving that purpose for decades in one form or another). Its as though they thought they did not have--or did not know how to use existing villains in a certain way, so they dig Spider-Man's graves, and add the sick Stacy plot just to pour salt in the wounds. Sounds like you're just mad that Stacy gave Norman a piece.  |
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Post by String on Jul 11, 2017 15:34:31 GMT -5
I've never really considered that a resurrection. Superman was never going to stay dead. Nobody thought he was going to stay dead. It was just a matter of how they were going to bring him back. It was successful marketing ploy. It's a different category. Resurrections that are part of the same story, clearly intended as the ending. Versus stories written with the intention that the character was dead. Only to be retconned. The latter category sucks. The first is fine. Well of course we knew he wouldn't stay dead but the general public didn't which helped boost the sales (and news) tremendously. Although IIRC, it did not start out as a pure marketing ploy. There was some initial conflict with the story directions that was happening on the Lois & Clark TV show. Thus at one of Mike Carlin's yearly summit meeting for the creative teams on the Superman titles, they actually decided to go with Jerry Ordway's usual first plot pitch of killing him, which he always said half-jokingly. For me, the scope of the interval, the breadth of their examination of his loss upon family, friends & the world and the introduction of quite a few prominent new characters is what helps set this arc apart for others. (For even more detail, read the novelisation by Roger Stern). Another resurrection that I love, which some here hate, is the return of Jean Grey. THAT was a blatant marketing ploy by Shooter, all the more ironic considering he was the one that successfully argued that she had to die. But how Bryne brought her back was creative, tying it into her origin as Phoenix and the expansion on the capabilities and nature of the cosmic Phoenix Force. It was simple, elegant, and suspenseful. Still one of the best resurrections I've ever read. Thus it's a wonder how far we have truly fallen in this regard. My worst, take your pick: Johnny Storm by Hickman, Capt. America by Brubaker, even Bruce Wayne by Morrison. We know they are not going to stay dead so why do it other than for the sales bump? Seriously, if your best idea for a character is to kill him/her to send them off on some fanciful emotional journey, then frankly you are not doing your job effectively. The Big Two aren't going to care about any level of quality, they'll say yes because of the sales hype and money returns. Today, the Revolving Door of Comic Death is one of worst attributes of this industry and a blatant symbol of greed over quality. |
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