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Post by coke & comics on Jul 16, 2017 13:20:01 GMT -5
One thing that just really still has me scratching my head was the timeline. Still doesn't make sense to me. Basically the avengers would've / should've already been in their new HQ well before homecoming. That bothered me as well. I think the point is that most of the Avengers had already moved in, but Stark himself was still living in Stark Tower. Remember at the end of Avengers 2 that Tony wasn't with the line-up that we saw. Now, after Civil War, Stark was going back to leading the Avengers and so moving everything out of Stark Tower to the compound. That's my read. |
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Jul 16, 2017 13:27:15 GMT -5
All Marvel has to do to fix the timeline is change the font that says "8 year later" at the start of Homecoming and it should line up better. I am betting they do once they release it. Or if they don't, just image it says "6 years later"...or whatever number allows it to make sense. I have only have focused on the timelines because I don't care all that much.
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Post by batlaw on Jul 17, 2017 4:11:49 GMT -5
One thing that just really still has me scratching my head was the timeline. Still doesn't make sense to me. Basically the avengers would've / should've already been in their new HQ well before homecoming. That bothered me as well. I think the point is that most of the Avengers had already moved in, but Stark himself was still living in Stark Tower. Remember at the end of Avengers 2 that Tony wasn't with the line-up that we saw. Now, after Civil War, Stark was going back to leading the Avengers and so moving everything out of Stark Tower to the compound. That's my read. I guess that could be made to work. Would t even be a bad explanation if they had only used it. But I remember a couple comments from happy and or stark that I want to say would contradict that idea or make it tougher to swallow at least. But since I don't recall the exact lines, I can't say for sure. Going with your theory... after civil war, tony returns to avenging and leading the team and has perhaps been recruiting new members. That would really make a lot of things (such as peppers return and the press conference) work and fit quite well. Would also really help set the stage for things to come. If if that is the case and they choose to take advantage of it of course. No for the issues in regards to the accords... |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 17, 2017 23:41:51 GMT -5
Saw it tonight... wow.. best movie I've seen in a while. The character work was really, really good. Michael Keaton was great... nearly stole the show, IMO.
The Good:
The characters... Peter was great... having a side kick worked. They changed alot, yes, but most of it worked.
Pete's banter was fantastic...it really felt like early Spidey, and they did a great job allowing him to act his age, which was refreshing.
All the villains were good... Keaton was amazing.
I liked the Tony Stark/Happy Hogan stuff. It really worked for me... essentially the mentoring bit replaced the usual bit with the Bugle and Jameson, but without taking it out of play for future movies.
I thought Peter was fine as a scientist... sure, Tony Stark gave him some cool stuff, be he DID disable the tracker, and still made the web fluid.
I liked how he was a pure good guy... horrified at the thought of hurting someone, even the villains.. you don't get that much anymore, it was refreshing.
The bad:
I'm really, really tired of the whole 'talking to my AI/sidekick on the radio' trope... it was unique and interesting in 1980 with Firestorm... now it's practically a requirement... can't anyone think for themselves any more?
While most of the cast worked really well for me, Flash as a rich brat instead of a brawny jock didn't... he was just a sad little man, really. I didn't really think Aunt May worked, either. She should have either been more relevant, or not there at all.
There was ALOT of collateral damage that was at odds with Pete being a 'friendly neighborhood Spider-man', and he never seemed to care about it. Now, if they make that the reason the Bugle decides he's a menace next movie, maybe that works. But taken alone, it was kinda weird.
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Post by coke & comics on Jul 18, 2017 0:30:26 GMT -5
No for the issues in regards to the accords... My read on the accords is this. There's all the Netflix characters running around already. And the Accords are an international agreement formed because the Avengers were globetrotting all over the world wrecking this and this. Superheroes who stick to their neighborhood are purely a domestic issue. No reason they'd be subject to the Accords. Even if they technically are, no reason for other countries to care. |
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Jul 19, 2017 22:14:26 GMT -5
I will second the notion that young Aunt May does not win me over. I am interested to see how they eventually tie her in...it seemed in this film that he just recently started staying with her. They had a very awkward relationship and I did not love it.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 20, 2017 11:00:32 GMT -5
I will second the notion that young Aunt May does not win me over. I am interested to see how they eventually tie her in...it seemed in this film that he just recently started staying with her. They had a very awkward relationship and I did not love it. She's not young though. Marisa Tomei is 52. Peter is supposed to be 15 or 16. That makes her 37 years older than him. That's a normal age gap between an Aunt and nephew. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 20, 2017 21:34:56 GMT -5
I will second the notion that young Aunt May does not win me over. I am interested to see how they eventually tie her in...it seemed in this film that he just recently started staying with her. They had a very awkward relationship and I did not love it. She's not young though. Marisa Tomei is 52. Peter is supposed to be 15 or 16. That makes her 37 years older than him. That's a normal age gap between an Aunt and nephew. That's young compared to the comic, though.. May in the comics is in her 70s, I'd say. That said, it wasn't her age that was weird, it was that she was vibrant, independent and attractive, rather than a frail old lady... it's a far, far different dynamic. |
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Post by badwolf on Jul 27, 2017 17:52:54 GMT -5
I'd guess were more likely to see the Vulture as a reformed ally or a victim of blackmail than a recurring master villain. In the mid-credits scene, Toomes seemed to be keeping Peter's secret despite pressure from Mac Gargan. Toomes seems to have a sense of honor, or at least indebtedness, toward Spider-Man. There were a lot of ways to read that. Perhaps he gained a sense of honor. But it's also possible he wants the secret for himself for his own purposes. That's how I took it. Keeping the secret to himself gives him power and worth. I saw no sign of reformation at all. |
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Post by badwolf on Jul 27, 2017 18:03:34 GMT -5
She's not young though. Marisa Tomei is 52. Peter is supposed to be 15 or 16. That makes her 37 years older than him. That's a normal age gap between an Aunt and nephew. That's young compared to the comic, though.. May in the comics is in her 70s, I'd say. That said, it wasn't her age that was weird, it was that she was vibrant, independent and attractive, rather than a frail old lady... it's a far, far different dynamic. I thought they struck a nice balance in the Raimi films: still old, but not the frail, feeble, constantly-on-the-verge-of-heart-attack thing from the comics. |
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Post by badwolf on Jul 27, 2017 18:21:47 GMT -5
Alternate titles for this film:
The Annoying Spider-Man
or
Spider-man and His Annoying Friend
Sorry but I don't like Tom Holland at all. And Ned... this was clearly a movie made for the kidlets.
Like many others I don't like the close ties with Stark or indeed any ties at all. It takes much away from the character. Spider-Man is now about 50% a Stark creation. Also I find it weird that an adult is encouraging a kid to be a super-hero at all.
I suppose it didn't bother people who haven't read the comics, but did everyone else here assume that Liz was Liz Allen? I did and it made the reveal of Toomes as her father feel like a cheat twist... though it did make for some good tension before the dance. After it was all over, I thought they were going to do with Liz what previous incarnations did with Harry (her being friends with Peter, but blaming Spider-Man for what happened to her father.)
I know they don't want to copy the Spidey films that came before, but it's gotten so far from the established mythology that it barely feels like a Spider-Man film. No JJJ, May being young(ish), and the supporting cast at school being unrecognizable. MJ is now Michelle?
Everything I liked about the film had to do with the baddies. Keaton was great, the Vulture suit was fantastic. The Tinkerer, the Shocker, and a cameo from the (soon-to-be?) Scorpion, and yet it didn't feel crowded because of them (Stark and the Avengers connection did that.)
I can't give this more than 6/10 and that seems a little generous.
Questions: What made the Chitauri device go off in the Washington monument? All the suit computer said was that it would be triggered by "radiation"; surely that didn't mean solar or other ambient radiation, or it would have gone off long before. And when it went off, why did it only damage the monument but not any of the people there?
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Jul 28, 2017 18:57:12 GMT -5
Didn't the bag go through security at the monument? Like a scanner scanned it as his bag was being checked...I seem to recall that scene.
As for why it did not kill people and only hurt the structure...because they wanted to not kill anyone? Hollywood being kid friendly, you know.
I know Marissa Tomei is older but Aunt May is old old. It is just something I have to get used to and I found her to be awkward and aloof. Maybe this is because she just lost Ben? They never mentioned anything and I just found her behavior and chemistry with Peter a bit strange. I hope they go into a bit more detail on their relationship later.
I also hope Scorpion gets screen time. Imagine this on the big screen? Heaven!
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Post by Randle-El on Jul 28, 2017 20:35:10 GMT -5
Took the day off from work this week and caught it at a matinee. Overall, I enjoyed it, but like a lot of you, I thought they could have toned down the Tony Stark involvement.
Regarding the suit -- I think it is perfectly plausible that a kid could have made a Spidey suit comparable to the one in the film. Maybe not with all the tech, but at least in terms of the actual suit itself, it's very doable. More so now than back in the 60s. We live in an era where practically every weekend people are getting dressed up in elaborate imitations of superhero costumes at conventions all over the country. I think I've even seen instructions online on how to make an imitation Spidey suit that mimics the Toby Maguire costume, right down to the brick pattern and raised webbing sewn into the fabric. They could have even made a meta reference in the movie, perhaps with a line about Peter asking a cosplayer friend how one might make a superhero costume.
On the hand, I do think that we could have done with less tech in the suit, at least for this movie. I think it would have been more appropriate as a bit of comic relief in Infinity War, with Stark giving Peter the Iron Spider costume and Peter having lots of trouble with it on the field due it to being way more sophisticated than the spandex he's used to.
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Post by badwolf on Jul 30, 2017 16:33:27 GMT -5
Didn't the bag go through security at the monument? Like a scanner scanned it as his bag was being checked...I seem to recall that scene.
As for why it did not kill people and only hurt the structure...because they wanted to not kill anyone? Hollywood being kid friendly, you know. Well, sure, but in that case they could have written a different scene, where they weren't in such a confined space and it was conceivable they could have escaped the blast. I imagine if the Scorpion appears, he'll look like the version in the Mackie/Byrne series from the early 2000s. |
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Post by badwolf on Jul 30, 2017 16:35:52 GMT -5
BTW, I just remembered what all the Peter/Ned scenes reminded me of: Diary of a Wimpy Kid.
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