|
Post by Icctrombone on Aug 6, 2017 8:21:34 GMT -5
Do a Thanos but don't put a dress on him...
|
|
|
Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 6, 2017 8:23:12 GMT -5
Wow, I can't believe you can even place Darkseid in the same ballpark with Thanos. Thanos is a much more complex and active character. All I ever see Darkseid do is stand with his hands behind his back. Thanos gets his hands dirty, I like that. Also, please understand, when it comes to comics, i prefer the metaphysical over the pragmatic. i'd always read dr. strange over captain america, always deadman over sgt. rock. Darkseid is more .metaphysical
|
|
|
Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 6, 2017 8:23:54 GMT -5
Do a Thanos but don't put a dress on him... gawwwwwwwwd no! i respect thanos!
|
|
|
Post by batusi on Aug 6, 2017 9:00:39 GMT -5
Justice League of America (DC) & Squadron Supreme (Marvel). I am sure everyone prefers Justice League, right? SS was intended to be a rip-off of JLA from the beginning. Marvel wanted the Avengers to fight the JLA so they created very similar characters.
|
|
|
Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 6, 2017 9:29:39 GMT -5
Justice League of America (DC) & Squadron Supreme (Marvel). I am sure everyone prefers Justice League, right? SS was intended to be a rip-off of JLA from the beginning. Marvel wanted the Avengers to fight the JLA so they created very similar characters. i liked Squadron Supreme (Marvel) better, but as an artist, i become partial to body-language and costumes.
|
|
|
Post by Reptisaurus! on Aug 6, 2017 16:10:31 GMT -5
Justice League of America (DC) & Squadron Supreme (Marvel). I am sure everyone prefers Justice League, right? SS was intended to be a rip-off of JLA from the beginning. Marvel wanted the Avengers to fight the JLA so they created very similar characters. While at the same time the Avengers fought JLA anaglogues. (Done completely on purpose as a kind of un-official crossover.)
|
|
|
Post by Reptisaurus! on Aug 6, 2017 16:15:11 GMT -5
namor for me; the character has more psychological angles. THANOS/DARKSEID: DARKSEID by a country mile. thanos is to darkseid what carob is to belgian chocolate. a more nuanced 'purpose', a classier interlocutor , less temper-tantrums, etc. etc. also most often better drawn (except by thanos by Starlin, but even then, darkseid by Kirby still wins. Originally Thanos was a tip-of-the-hat to Kirby's Metron. But Starlin's editor (I forget who!) said "Well, if you're gonna rip off Kirby you might as well rip off the best character" so a bunch of Darkseid elements got folded into the mix as well. I like Kirby Darkseid best, but Thanos has had a better track record over the last 40 years or so, IMO.
|
|
|
Post by berkley on Aug 6, 2017 19:33:34 GMT -5
namor for me; the character has more psychological angles. THANOS/DARKSEID: DARKSEID by a country mile. thanos is to darkseid what carob is to belgian chocolate. a more nuanced 'purpose', a classier interlocutor , less temper-tantrums, etc. etc. also most often better drawn (except by thanos by Starlin, but even then, darkseid by Kirby still wins. Originally Thanos was a tip-of-the-hat to Kirby's Metron. But Starlin's editor (I forget who!) said "Well, if you're gonna rip off Kirby you might as well rip off the best character" so a bunch of Darkseid elements got folded into the mix as well. I like Kirby Darkseid best, but Thanos has had a better track record over the last 40 years or so, IMO. Perhaps, if only because Darkseid, like the rest of the New Gods, has been written so very badly since Kirby, for the most part. I think you don't have far to seek for one of the main reasons behind that: Thanos is often the star of his own story whereas Darkseid is usually a supporting character, often there just to get beat up (literally or figuratively) by Superman or some other superhero.
|
|
|
Post by String on Aug 6, 2017 19:52:48 GMT -5
Right or wrong, fair or foul, Superfriends has forever darkened my view of Aquaman. Thus that simplistic silly stereotype colors my reading of any of his comics. I find Namor to be a much more fascinating character, from his regal pompous demeanor to his noble rage to struggling to learn the depths of humility and compassion. I quite liked the maxi-series that Roy Thomas did back in the late 80s/early 90s that was a retelling of his origins and history. Plus, his unrequited love for Susan Storm Richards is one of the best unsung relationships in the MU.
A very interesting comparison between Thor and Captain Marvel (Shazam). Given the history between DC and Fawcett, Superman is the usual choice for such a litmus test but I like how you phrased the similarities between the two. Of course, I have to go with Shazam. The air of innocence and fun that enlighten his Golden Age years shows that dark is not always the best choice (which is why DC continually struggles to fit him within the main DCU). Plus, it's wish fulfillment of the highest order.
Thanos and Darkseid, both done by their original creators, are near equals. Yet I would have to go with Thanos. Master manipulator and powerhouse that he is, the reveal that he subconsciously feels unworthy of the very power he covets was one of the most character-defining (and altering) moments that I have ever read. That Starlin would even think to go there is amazing.
|
|
|
Post by String on Aug 6, 2017 19:57:23 GMT -5
Plastic Man / E-manKind of a no-brainer; I think Cuti and Staton are on record somewhere as saying that E-man was largely inspired by the Golden Age Plastic Man stories. i enjoyed Cuti and Staton's work on e-man better though; it may not be classically 'politically correct', but it's not 'disrespectful' either. non partisan. What about Elongated Man / Mister Fantastic? Reed is the big brain who struggles not to get so caught up in his work & studies so as not to ignore his wife, family and friends yet I have a softer spot for Ralph Dibny, a detective on par with (or even perhaps better than) Bruce.
|
|
|
Post by codystarbuck on Aug 6, 2017 20:39:09 GMT -5
namor for me; the character has more psychological angles. THANOS/DARKSEID: DARKSEID by a country mile. thanos is to darkseid what carob is to belgian chocolate. a more nuanced 'purpose', a classier interlocutor , less temper-tantrums, etc. etc. also most often better drawn (except by thanos by Starlin, but even then, darkseid by Kirby still wins. Originally Thanos was a tip-of-the-hat to Kirby's Metron. But Starlin's editor (I forget who!) said "Well, if you're gonna rip off Kirby you might as well rip off the best character" so a bunch of Darkseid elements got folded into the mix as well. I like Kirby Darkseid best, but Thanos has had a better track record over the last 40 years or so, IMO. That was Roy Thomas.
|
|
|
Post by codystarbuck on Aug 6, 2017 20:53:44 GMT -5
Here's one that most people don't consider: Dr Mid-Nite and Daredevil. Yes, Daredevil was Marvel stealing the name of the original Lev Gleason character (and a couple of elements, like a weapon, replacing boomerang with billy club, and a weird costume style); but, the blind man who can see via special circumstances was pure Dr Mid-Nite. Similar things had been done in the pulps, though. Dr Mid-Nite loses his sight in an accident; but eventually learns he can see in darkness. He develops his blackout bombs to create darkness and then uses special goggles to allow him to see in other conditions. Daredevil gains heightened sense thanks to radioactive waste, including his radar sense, which went from just sensing objects to actually being able to discern shapes via a radar-like system. In the early comics, Daredevil is pretty much a Spider-Man clone, with slightly different problems; but, similar action, similar gimmick villains. It is only later that he becomes more of a unique character (before Miller; but, especially with and after Miller).
You also have the Invaders and Freedom Fighters. The Invaders were Roy Thomas' fan concoction of the old Timely WW2 heroes, inspired by the Alex Schomburg covers (mostly from USA Comics). Roy used some of them in the climax to the Kree-Skrull War, as well as in an Avengers story, where they travelled back in time (I think the Gamesmaster was involved). That led him to do a bona fide Invaders book, while also bringing in some of the lesser Timely characters as the Liberty Legion.
Len Wein brought back the Quality Comics heroes in JLA, during the annual JLA/JSA crossover. They were on Earth-X, where the Germans won WW2 and the Freedom Fighters were part of a resistance. With the help of the JLA, they free their world. They were brought back a few years later, transferred to Earth-1, where they were framed for a crime. They eventually returned home, though never seen, due to the DC Implosion. Later, Roy got his hands on them, in All-Star Squadron, and retconned how they ended up on Earth-X. It was all made moot with crisis. There was an unofficial crossover between the two retro series. A group f heroes, the Crusaders, turned up in The Invaders, based on the Quality characters. In Freedom Fighters, a group of comic book fans is turned into the fictional Crusaders, based on the Invaders characters. The fans were named after Roy Thomas, Len Wein, Marv Wolfman, and Archie Goodwin.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 20:53:53 GMT -5
Plastic Man / E-manKind of a no-brainer; I think Cuti and Staton are on record somewhere as saying that E-man was largely inspired by the Golden Age Plastic Man stories. I did not know this. Now I can see it... Plastic Man being an influence on E-Man. E-Man was an awesome series.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 21:15:16 GMT -5
Green Arrow (DC)/Hawkeye (Marvel)
Green Arrow started as a Batman copycat only with archery. Hawkeye came along 20 yrs later as a villain who became a hero.
GA was revamped in the late 60's & started to be his own person instead of a Batman copycat. Hawkeye used Pym particles to become Goliath.
GA has limited martial arts training while Hawkeye was trained by Capt America.
Both have died & come back. Both have had proteges.
I prefer Green Arrow over Hawkeye. Mainly because since 1969 he has been the same with minor changes. Hawkeye has been Goliath, Ronin & had some questionable costumes....
|
|
|
Post by codystarbuck on Aug 6, 2017 23:20:51 GMT -5
Plastic Man / E-manKind of a no-brainer; I think Cuti and Staton are on record somewhere as saying that E-man was largely inspired by the Golden Age Plastic Man stories. I did not know this. Now I can see it... Plastic Man being an influence on E-Man. E-Man was an awesome series. Staton was always upfront about the influence. It helped him land the gig of drawing Plastic Man, at DC (Adventure Comics and a few other stories). E-Man probably came closest to capturing the genius of Jack Cole, as Cuti understood it more than Len Wein or Marty Pasko (or the other Plastic Man writers) at DC. Pasko later worked on E-Man, with Staton, at First; and, it was decent; but not quite as great as when Cuti wrote with Staton.
|
|