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Post by Duragizer on Oct 12, 2019 8:15:10 GMT -5
Give it time. Loathing has a way of resurfacing, especially when it has long years of disillusionment underlying it. Ok, so my relationship with comics is that I like reading comics. If I had years of disillusionment I'd find another hobby. Obviously, you've been reading the right comics. |
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Post by rberman on Oct 12, 2019 8:34:45 GMT -5
"Hate" is a strong word which I wouldn't use for my relationship to any media. Diehard fans of any topic often seem to enjoy denigrating their chosen hobby as much as rejoicing in it. You can see it in football fans who bitterly complain about the team, the players, the coach, and the owner, but then whoop triumphantly every time these total strangers achieve some on-field objective. Even back in the Bronze Age, the creators of Legion of Super-Heroes were first elated to discover that the Legion Outpost fanzine existed to discuss their work, then chagrined to find out how much of that discussion was negative. Grant Morrison has explored the naysaying elements of fandom in works like Multiversity: Ultra Comics: and New X-Men: Geoff Johns, taking a cue from Morrison, made Superboy-Prime into a whining fanboy as well:  |
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Post by mikelmidnight on Oct 12, 2019 11:56:36 GMT -5
Even the otherwise great Mark Waid totally missed the mark with his FF run, but I'm of the mind that he intentionally went for a character assassination given that he admitted that he never could accept the noble megalomaniac persona that Byrne in particular did so well. I really detest the idea that we can't have "above it all" villains who do show signs of nobility and honor, at least when it suites them. Most modern creators tend to skew far left and I suspect that this is why they're usually so terrible at writing awe inspiring master villains; their personal politics get in the way.
I tend to skew left and admit I don't really believed in noble villains; however, I love them in fiction.
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Post by MDG on Oct 12, 2019 15:28:00 GMT -5
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Post by Duragizer on Oct 12, 2019 15:57:51 GMT -5
Grant Morrison has explored the naysaying elements of fandom in works like Multiversity: Ultra Comics:and New X-Men:Geoff Johns, taking a cue from Morrison, made Superboy-Prime into a whining fanboy as well: How "cute". And from the pen of Morrison and Johns to boot. May I say I hate navel-gazing such as this. And that every other comic is written by these two. |
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Post by rberman on Oct 12, 2019 17:23:41 GMT -5
Grant Morrison has explored the naysaying elements of fandom in works like Multiversity: Ultra Comics:and New X-Men:Geoff Johns, taking a cue from Morrison, made Superboy-Prime into a whining fanboy as well: How "cute". And from the pen of Morrison and Johns to boot. May I say I hate navel-gazing such as this. And that every other comic is written by these two. Getting riled about their on-page interaction with the rage element of the blogosphere is some serious third-order level meta. |
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Post by Duragizer on Oct 12, 2019 17:35:08 GMT -5
How "cute". And from the pen of Morrison and Johns to boot. May I say I hate navel-gazing such as this. And that every other comic is written by these two. Getting riled about their on-page interaction with the rage element of the blogosphere is some serious third-order level meta. Now, how to take that to the next level and get some serious "turtles all the way down" shenanigans going.... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 20:30:15 GMT -5
I always hated the idea of "Multiple Earths" as in Crisis ... the series that should had not created and written.
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Post by Farrar on Oct 13, 2019 11:06:53 GMT -5
When they do reprint COLLECTIONS, it is absolutely imperitive that crossover issues like that be included. Sometimes, I've seen it go both ways... like when they did the AVENGERS-DEFENDERS crossover, I'm pretty sure every issue of the story was included in BOTH sets of ESSENTIAL or MASTERWORKS series. And there was also a separate TPB of just that crossover. A simpler example would be when Roy Thomas was writing both DR. STRANGE and AVENGERS, and did that 2-parter involving the Norse Fire and Ice demons. It's a B**** if you're trying to buy the original comics, especially in cases where those specific crossover issues cost WAY more than the rest of a run. I'll say it again... when they started doing MASTERWORKS and ESSENTIAL books, they were decades overdue!
I would have to check My Essentials to see if the crossovers were there but they left out the GS issues relating to the Mantis Celestial Madonna story. That's what made the Essentials kind of sucky. I have Volume 6 of the Avengers Essentials and along with Avengers #120-140 it includes Giant-Size Avengers #1-4, Captain Marvel #33, and Fantastic Four #150.  |
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Post by profh0011 on Oct 13, 2019 11:19:10 GMT -5
"I have Volume 6 of the Avengers Essentials and along with Avengers #120-140 it includes Giant-Size Avengers #1-4, Captain Marvel #33, and Fantastic Four #150."
Thanks. That's the one I didn't get, as it picks up EXACTLY where I started buying the issues from the 2nd-hand stores (many without covers). At the time, I could get more "new" comics that way.
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Post by lordyam on Oct 14, 2019 12:50:35 GMT -5
Grant Morrison has explored the naysaying elements of fandom in works like Multiversity: Ultra Comics:and New X-Men:Geoff Johns, taking a cue from Morrison, made Superboy-Prime into a whining fanboy as well: How "cute". And from the pen of Morrison and Johns to boot. May I say I hate navel-gazing such as this. And that every other comic is written by these two. Johns and Morrison do have talent though. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 14, 2019 15:26:04 GMT -5
How "cute". And from the pen of Morrison and Johns to boot. May I say I hate navel-gazing such as this. And that every other comic is written by these two. Johns and Morrison do have talent though. Where has Johns been hiding it? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 6:39:17 GMT -5
I hate the weekly cover contests here. No, don't run away. Hear me out! People bring their A-game every time. And the covers are all great. But, you guys, I keep looking at the covers and thinking, 'I need to track down that issue.' You people are gonna cost me a lot of money in the long run.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 14:27:04 GMT -5
I hate that Wonder Woman is depicted as strong as Superman but yet she often uses a sword and shield in battle? If she were as strong as Superman wouldn't her body be invulnerable, shouldn't bullets and missiles be bouncing off of her...are the sword and shield just a fashion statement?
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Post by badwolf on Oct 15, 2019 17:40:28 GMT -5
Just part of her heritage, I guess.
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