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Post by shaxper on Sept 4, 2017 19:58:13 GMT -5
Detective #27 was reprinted twice, once as an Oreos giveaway (only the Batman story was reprinted, and the cover was made of the same material as the inside pages) and once as an over-sized Famous First Edition (which some have attempted to trim down in order to pass it off as the original). Don't forget the Millennium Edition which has all the contents of the issue not just the Batman story. But I think he was wondering if it had gone back to press to make more copies the way Superman #1 and #2 did, where DC sold out the initial print run and printed more copies to get it back on newsstands. I would think it more likely Batman #1 went back to press than Detective #27, but aside form Supes #1 and #2 I don't think there have been other confirmed cases of DC going back to press on an issue int he Golden Age. -M Good points all around. To go back to your original question, I'd imagine it all comes down to whether you can tell the printings apart. Chances are, you can't. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 21:04:38 GMT -5
Don't forget the Millennium Edition which has all the contents of the issue not just the Batman story. But I think he was wondering if it had gone back to press to make more copies the way Superman #1 and #2 did, where DC sold out the initial print run and printed more copies to get it back on newsstands. I would think it more likely Batman #1 went back to press than Detective #27, but aside form Supes #1 and #2 I don't think there have been other confirmed cases of DC going back to press on an issue int he Golden Age. -M Good points all around. To go back to your original question, I'd imagine it all comes down to whether you can tell the printings apart. Chances are, you can't. there are minor variations to the covers, shapes of things in the trade dress, color variations, etc. -M |
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 4, 2017 22:31:57 GMT -5
Same here, fascinating fact to know about. I wonder if the same is true for Detective Comics #27 or similar Golden Age comics? Detective #27 was reprinted twice, once as an Oreos giveaway (only the Batman story was reprinted, and the cover was made of the same material as the inside pages) and once as an over-sized Famous First Edition (which some have attempted to trim down in order to pass it off as the original). But those were reprints issued decades after the original. The second and third printings of Superman #1 occurred while the book was still on the stands. Cei-U! I summon the supply and demand! |
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Post by batusi on Sept 4, 2017 23:18:03 GMT -5
Detective #27 was reprinted twice, once as an Oreos giveaway (only the Batman story was reprinted, and the cover was made of the same material as the inside pages) and once as an over-sized Famous First Edition (which some have attempted to trim down in order to pass it off as the original). But those were reprints issued decades after the original. The second and third printings of Superman #1 occurred while the book was still on the stands. Cei-U! I summon the supply and demand! Correct, I think my question was misunderstood. |
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Post by brutalis on Sept 5, 2017 8:10:36 GMT -5
I don't worry about the condition of my comics. I take care of them, box them, keep in a closed darkened room so they will live a long and productive life (likely longer than me). They are for reading until the pages fall apart  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 11:22:37 GMT -5
I worry more about my body's degradation.....  |
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Post by MDG on Sept 5, 2017 12:10:35 GMT -5
archivists warn that digital may be a less stable long-term medium than print. it's a major controversy right now. for popular works that are preserved in multiple formats, there's no problem, but the more obscure works that have been digitally archived yet never reprinted, that's a roll of the dice. as I understand it, the two largest threats to digital archiving are electromagnetic disruption and file formats that cease to be supported. There's probably an opportunity for film-based archiving of comics--I have no idea what intermediary was used for all of the DC/Marvel reprints since the 80s and how they're storing them (if they are). |
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Post by Randle-El on Sept 5, 2017 14:53:41 GMT -5
I store my books so that they will stay in the best condition possible, but that's purely so that I can enjoy them for a long time, and within reason. I don't use expensive bags and boards, I don't do CGC, and I don't handle my books as if they were priceless treasures. But then again, most of my books are inexpensive and easily replaceable. I might think differently if I had Golden Age back issues that were very valuable.
I sometimes think we might be overthinking the storage thing. I remember reading somewhere that one of the higher graded copies of Action Comics #1 that sold recently was found in someone's attic, pressed between a bunch of other books, not bagged and boarded or treated any differently than any other book or magazine. The fact that it was not handled over the years and kept in an environment that was dark and of relatively constant temperature and humidity probably helped, but still, pretty amazing considering the lengths the average collector goes through.
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Post by Pat T on Sept 5, 2017 18:37:02 GMT -5
I store my books so that they will stay in the best condition possible, but that's purely so that I can enjoy them for a long time, and within reason. I don't use expensive bags and boards, I don't do CGC, and I don't handle my books as if they were priceless treasures. But then again, most of my books are inexpensive and easily replaceable. I might think differently if I had Golden Age back issues that were very valuable. I sometimes think we might be overthinking the storage thing. I remember reading somewhere that one of the higher graded copies of Action Comics #1 that sold recently was found in someone's attic, pressed between a bunch of other books, not bagged and boarded or treated any differently than any other book or magazine. The fact that it was not handled over the years and kept in an environment that was dark and of relatively constant temperature and humidity probably helped, but still, pretty amazing considering the lengths the average collector goes through. It's pure luck the book survived like that. Imagine how many times over the years somebody could have ruined the book while going through stuff up there. A mylar bag with backing board is plenty of protection for my expensive books. I don't wear gloves like some people I've seen handling them either. |
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Post by shaxper on Sept 5, 2017 19:31:52 GMT -5
I sometimes think we might be overthinking the storage thing. I remember reading somewhere that one of the higher graded copies of Action Comics #1 that sold recently was found in someone's attic, pressed between a bunch of other books, not bagged and boarded or treated any differently than any other book or magazine. The fact that it was not handled over the years and kept in an environment that was dark and of relatively constant temperature and humidity probably helped, but still, pretty amazing considering the lengths the average collector goes through. Some of the most hardcore dealers I know swear up and down that the safest archival method is no bag, no board, comics stacked vertically, alternating which side the spine is on with each book, and stored in a dry attic. Problem is, external factors are always a risk when you don't bag -- a window blows open during a bad storm, a pipe bursts in the nearby bathroom, a curious child walks through, etc etc. |
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Post by batusi on Sept 5, 2017 19:57:08 GMT -5
I wonder if anyone lost their comic collection in Texas with all of that flood water?
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Post by String on Sept 6, 2017 12:29:02 GMT -5
I sometimes think we might be overthinking the storage thing. I remember reading somewhere that one of the higher graded copies of Action Comics #1 that sold recently was found in someone's attic, pressed between a bunch of other books, not bagged and boarded or treated any differently than any other book or magazine. The fact that it was not handled over the years and kept in an environment that was dark and of relatively constant temperature and humidity probably helped, but still, pretty amazing considering the lengths the average collector goes through. Some of the most hardcore dealers I know swear up and down that the safest archival method is no bag, no board, comics stacked vertically, alternating which side the spine is on with each book, and stored in a dry attic. Problem is, external factors are always a risk when you don't bag -- a window blows open during a bad storm, a pipe bursts in the nearby bathroom, a curious child walks through, etc etc. Back in the early 80s, my dad built a custom bookcase in the corner of my bedroom. The bottom portion is a cupboard storage area and it's here that I kept back then (and still keep today) a portion of my collection. I have 5 stacks of comics, all stacked horizontally, no bags nor boards or anything protective on them. No light and no humidity and all of those books are still in what I would say is F-VF condition. I'm not too overly concerned with degradation. I keep the majority of my collection in boxes in a back room of the house (these books are a mixture of bagged and unbagged). Any books kept in the basement are boxed and they are not sitting on the floor. |
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Post by tingramretro on Sept 8, 2017 8:07:01 GMT -5
The contents surviving without the original comics is irrelevant to me. No interest in digital, never have had, never will. Digital comics are not comics. Really? If a time comes when a comic is only available in digital because no original artifact still exists, isn't that preferable to the contents being lost forever? Would you refuse to watch a classic silent film whose crumbling negative was transferred to a digital format? Or refuse to read Shakespeare because you can't get your hands on a First Folio? Cei-U! I summon the bafflement! That's entirely different. For me, a part of the experience of being a comics fan and collector is handling and owning the original physical item. I have no interest in renting digital copies of comics, and can't stand reading them off a screen anyway. |
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Post by shaxper on Sept 9, 2017 10:06:20 GMT -5
The contents surviving without the original comics is irrelevant to me. No interest in digital, never have had, never will. Digital comics are not comics. Really? If a time comes when a comic is only available in digital because no original artifact still exists, isn't that preferable to the contents being lost forever? Would you refuse to watch a classic silent film whose crumbling negative was transferred to a digital format? Or refuse to read Shakespeare because you can't get your hands on a First Folio? Cei-U! I summon the bafflement! If and when that time comes, I'm positive there will be companies creating authentic replicas of floppy originals. Heck, Marvel and DC would probably slobber at the opportunity to resell old inventory in a new format once again. Of course, by this point, copyrights would have expired anyway, so it would be anyone's game. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 10:43:20 GMT -5
Really? If a time comes when a comic is only available in digital because no original artifact still exists, isn't that preferable to the contents being lost forever? Would you refuse to watch a classic silent film whose crumbling negative was transferred to a digital format? Or refuse to read Shakespeare because you can't get your hands on a First Folio? Cei-U! I summon the bafflement! If and when that time comes, I'm positive there will be companies creating authentic replicas of floppy originals. Heck, Marvel and DC would probably slobber at the opportunity to resell old inventory in a new format once again. Of course, by this point, copyrights would have expired anyway, so it would be anyone's game. All depends on economy of scale, and that will be based on demand. It costs more to print less, so price points will be higher if there is not enough demand to make a large enough print run to make it worthwhile. Marvel is doing this to a limited scale with their True Believer $1 reprints of Kirby classics to celebrate the Centennial...   though as you can see they are not exact replicas, they are however priced at a buck each. I can see possibly a print on demand type service set up for replicas, not necessarily a mass printing, but again the price point would be high for that kind of service. And while copyright may have expired, the trademarks would still be in place for names and logos making it difficult for someone to use trade dress and other parts of the covers to make it an exact replica if done by a third party source. -M PS also don't be too surprised if copyrights get another lengthy extension if a case comes up during the current more corporate friendly era we are in now eliminating the possibility of public domain for a lot of currently copyrighted material for another few decades at least. |
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