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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Sept 17, 2017 20:40:54 GMT -5
Also, I like the look of Union Jack, but man is he awfully similar to Black Panther....in terms of the look.  .jpg) I like both. Panther is powerful being all black and having those little ears. Jack looks great with the flag across his chest and the added wrist and ankle colour. Plus a cool belt to boot. I wonder if the inspiration came from Black Panther? |
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Sept 17, 2017 20:43:27 GMT -5
Yes I have noticed that the bits with Torch are just here and there so far...not too much but enough to add a bit to his character. Would be nice to have him in a solo issue taking on someone and maybe realizing he can be just as human as the others. Don't tell me if that does come along  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 20:58:06 GMT -5
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Post by wildfire2099 on Sept 17, 2017 21:06:50 GMT -5
Just catching up a bit...
I agree with most of the comments that the Liberty Legion.. not a bad idea, but poor execution. They were fine for the guest spot, but if Roy was truly trying to get them their own series, then certainly need better development as characters.
I loved the Baron Blood series, and having the Invaders move to Europe and adding Spitfire and Union Jack.. that's when I really felt the book kicked into high gear and became a great read. There were some really bad art moments with Robbins, though, IIRC.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Sept 17, 2017 21:15:12 GMT -5
Cool! Are these set during the war too? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 21:35:41 GMT -5
Cool! Are these set during the war too? Modern day setting. In the first series he fights the cult of Baron Blood. In the second series he goes up against terroristic attacks on London. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 18, 2017 8:57:55 GMT -5
pinkfloydsound17 , first of all. excellent thread. Well written and informative. Thanks for exploring this sorta forgotten title. Second, any idea who designed the Union Jack costume? I'm guessing Roy and Frank Robbins, but ddin't know if you'd read anything specific about it.) Perfect fusion of name and concept; its simplicity made it immediately iconic. (Believe it or not, I just read on-line that UJ was created by Byrne and Stern and that he first appeared in Cap 253 in 1981.) Of course, it might have been better with a few modifications... 
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Sept 18, 2017 19:18:38 GMT -5
Yes Union Jack was created by Thomas and Robbins. ^ Not sure I like those ummm modifications |
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Sept 18, 2017 22:36:38 GMT -5
Invaders #8 The CoverAnother Kirby/Giacoia cover here. Excellent in my eyes. I love the look of Union Jack. I mentioned it reminds me of Black Panther but I think it is still unique and different enough. I especially like the flag emblazoned on the front. The background works really well being all white in contrast with the dark, looming figure of Union Jack at the forefront. Definitely one of the best covers so far. The StorySo everyone is gathered for dinner at this Lord Falsworth. He begins with his tale of how he met Baron Blood during WWI. It is a nice flashback and very well drawn by Robbins. At the end of his tale, Lord Falsworth mentions he sometimes misses the action and this causes his daughter Jacqueline to leave the table, sobbing. Lord Falsworth reveals that his wife was killed by the Blitz earlier in the war, which is why Jacqueline is so against it. Cap then suggests that the Invaders stick around to try and find this Baron Blood. They set off the next evening and we see Torch and Namor both stumble upon the Baron...or do they? They actually find dummy versions of the Baron, one which explodes, knocking out the Torches and the other that Namor finds, which knocks him out with gas. Bucky and Cap find the real Baron and he knocks them out easily. They awaken beside their other fallen team members, held in an electrified net that keeps the team paralyzed. Baron Blood goes on about wanting to see them helpless before him. What are the Invaders to do!?! Have no fear, for Union Jack is here! He arrives and tries to stab Baron Blood. Blood knocks him down and takes his pistol. He tries to shoot Union Jack but the crafty old bugger seemed to have this planned as the gun was rigged to malfunction and spray silver dust back at Baron Blood. The Baron flees, swearing revenge on the Invaders and Union Jack. Jack asks to be part of the team and is welcomed in, although Torch worries how he will reveal this decision to Union Jack's daughter since she was so opposed to the war. OpinionsI like this issue a lot. Everything works very well, especially the recap of Union Jack's initial meeting with Baron Blood. The artwork is really strong overall throughout the book. Hopefully there will be more of Union Jack as he seems an interesting character. Ditto for Baron Blood. Quote of the Issue"You know, chaps...I think we've made history here tonight...and the reverberations will be felt all the way to the heart of Berlin!"- Union Jack's proclamation at the end when he joins the Invaders Lumpy LimoIn Union Jack's recap, he falls off a bridge onto the roof of a Rolls Royce limo! Excellently drawn car by Robbins but damn...I did not know Jack had the strength for something like that since it was never mentioned he had super strength.
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 18, 2017 22:38:38 GMT -5
pinkfloydsound17 , first of all. excellent thread. Well written and informative. Thanks for exploring this sorta forgotten title. Second, any idea who designed the Union Jack costume? I'm guessing Roy and Frank Robbins, but ddin't know if you'd read anything specific about it.) Perfect fusion of name and concept; its simplicity made it immediately iconic. (Believe it or not, I just read on-line that UJ was created by Byrne and Stern and that he first appeared in Cap 253 in 1981.) Of course, it might have been better with a few modifications... With a new name: Union Jack-ass! |
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 18, 2017 22:47:29 GMT -5
Yes Union Jack was created by Thomas and Robbins. ^ Not sure I like those ummm modifications Well, they make it easier to move gracefully. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 18, 2017 22:50:21 GMT -5
Invaders #8The CoverAnother Kirby/Giacoia cover here. Excellent in my eyes. I love the look of Union Jack. I mentioned it reminds me of Black Panther but I think it is still unique and different enough. I especially like the flag emblazoned on the front. The background works really well being all white in contrast with the dark, looming figure of Union Jack at the forefront. Definitely one of the best covers so far. The StorySo everyone is gathered for dinner at this Lord Falsworth. He begins with his tale of how he met Baron Blood during WWI. It is a nice flashback and very well drawn by Robbins. At the end of his tale, Lord Falsworth mentions he sometimes misses the action and this causes his daughter Jacqueline to leave the table, sobbing. Lord Falsworth reveals that his wife was killed by the Blitz earlier in the war, which is why Jacqueline is so against it. Cap then suggests that the Invaders stick around to try and find this Baron Blood. They set off the next evening and we see Torch and Namor both stumble upon the Baron...or do they? They actually find dummy versions of the Baron, one which explodes, knocking out the Torches and the other that Namor finds, which knocks him out with gas. Bucky and Cap find the real Baron and he knocks them out easily. They awaken beside their other fallen team members, held in an electrified net that keeps the team paralyzed. Baron Blood goes on about wanting to see them helpless before him. What are the Invaders to do!?! Have no fear, for Union Jack is here! He arrives and tries to stab Baron Blood. Blood knocks him down and takes his pistol. He tries to shoot Union Jack but the crafty old bugger seemed to have this planned as the gun was rigged to malfunction and spray silver dust back at Baron Blood. The Baron flees, swearing revenge on the Invaders and Union Jack. Jack asks to be part of the team and is welcomed in, although Torch worries how he will reveal this decision to Union Jack's daughter since she was so opposed to the war. OpinionsI like this issue a lot. Everything works very well, especially the recap of Union Jack's initial meeting with Baron Blood. The artwork is really strong overall throughout the book. Hopefully there will be more of Union Jack as he seems an interesting character. Ditto for Baron Blood. Quote of the Issue"You know, chaps...I think we've made history here tonight...and the reverberations will be felt all the way to the heart of Berlin!"- Union Jack's proclamation at the end when he joins the Invaders Lumpy LimoIn Union Jack's recap, he falls off a bridge onto the roof of a Rolls Royce limo! Excellently drawn car by Robbins but damn...I did not know Jack had the strength for something like that since it was never mentioned he had super strength. No super strength; I believe (this is memory talking) that the car was a soft top, and the fall wasn't intended to be so far. You also have to allow for comic book physics, where Batman's cape is big enough to act as a parachute, yet he can still walk around without it touching the ground. Robbins paired with Frank Springer made for some great art, in this series, and Springer came on board, with this issue. The early issues had Vince Colletta and he did not compliment Robbins' art. I always liked Robbins costume detail, which you can see on Union Jack. Boots and gloves have twin buckles at the cuffs, which match the combat boots of the era. Later, we will see the Nazi Wonder Woman, Warrior Woman, decked out in Nazi dominatrix finery, accessorized not only with a Sam Brown belt (the over-the-shoulder belt, paired with a holster belt, as seen on officer uniforms, of the era) but plenty of others to please leather fetishists (and you know she probably launched a few, just as the Golden Age Wonder Woman added to many a youngster's fantasies). They looked like something created in the 40s. Seriously, Marvel; Invaders movie, with Master Man, Warrior Woman, Baron Blood and U-man as the villains. Get on that! Lord knows it would have to be better than Inhumans. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 18, 2017 22:53:39 GMT -5
ps. The Fox and Miss Fury got there before Black Panther.   |
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Post by tarkintino on Sept 19, 2017 0:30:19 GMT -5
Invaders #7
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I like this intro to Baron Blood. I also like the meeting with Union Jack. I was not a big fan of the other characters he rolled with during the first war and I hope we don't see them. I am intrigued to find out the relationship between Falsworth and Baron Blood (if there is one or if the Baron is just pulling this charade). On the surface, a reader might think there's no way to successfully mix a vampire character with the greater WW2 backdrop, but it works so well here--probably thanks to the careful way Baron Blood's history seemed so natural to that period, instead of the way such a subject comes off as out of place in tales set in the modern day. Roy was not exaggerating. His Invaders project finally moved to the stage he had been building since the late 1960s, with a very Golden Age-receptive audience once exclusively a success for DC. In keeping with the thread's subject, below, we can see Marvel's exploration of its Timely past, and all the way up to the Invaders publishing era:  Top row: Fantasy Masterpieces #6 (December, 1966), #7 (February, 1967), #9 (June, 1967) and the All-Winners reprint in #10 (August, 1967). Bottom row: Fantastic Four King Size Special #4 (November, 1966), Fantastic Four Annual #11 (1976), What If? #4 (August, 1977) and What If? #5 (October, 1977). Obviously, the drive behind Fantasy Masterpieces were the successful "resurrections" of Captain America & Namor earlier in that decade, which could be argued were inspirations for Roy Thomas to see potential in a concept featuring all new Golden Age stories. Not long after launching The Invaders, Marvel responded to the great fan interest in all things Golden in the speculative pages of What If?, including the fifth issue's screaming announcement, "Bucky Lives!"--just one in a long line of Bucky-involved comics of the Silver & Bronze age. That's deliciously ironic, considering Stan Lee despised teen sidekicks, and killed Bucky in the retconned Avengers #4. Its not a stretch to say he had not anticipated that the drama of a heroic teenager's life cut short would only intensify interest in him, hence the neverending stream of Bucky robots, androids, impersonators, Rick Jones, the 50s version, et al. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 18:21:38 GMT -5
pinkfloydsound17 another overlooked gem from 2010 I think you would like:  It covers Jeff Mace's (Patriot) life from 1941-1951. Written by Karl Kesel. Art by Mitch Breitweiser. Mace is inspired by Cap to become the Patriot. It shows him in the Liberty Legion. Then when Cap & Bucky go missing he is asked to be Capt America. He also meets the Golden Girl (who he marries) & teams with the Invaders & the All Winners Squad.
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