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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 12, 2017 5:18:43 GMT -5
I understand, when he wins he has a name. His name is Rob Allen, his name is Rob Allen, his name is Rob Allen..... First rule of the cover contest, you can't talk about the cover contest. His name is Allen. Rob Allen. *Cue James Bond theme* |
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 12, 2017 5:27:29 GMT -5
And we can talk about why Ernie Chua/Chan was the greatest cover artist of the 70s. You'll have to get me drunk first... Ha. I get it's tongue in cheek but Ernie Chan really did some beautiful stuff in his day.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 15:54:37 GMT -5
I never thought Ernie Chan was that bad. Man he drew everything back in the 70's!
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 12, 2017 16:02:51 GMT -5
I never thought Ernie Chan was that bad. Man he drew everything back in the 70's!
If he drew like this all the time, it'd be fine. I think he was the victim -- actually we were -- of his insane workload. Here's a beauty... "How do I hate thee? let me count the ways."  |
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 12, 2017 16:04:38 GMT -5
You'll have to get me drunk first... Ha. I get it's tongue in cheek but Ernie Chan really did some beautiful stuff in his day. Nice, but (A) this was never the way he drew in a comic; and, (B) he's more than cribbing from John Buscema. (Look at the cheekbone lines, e.g.) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 16:11:00 GMT -5
If he drew like this all the time, it'd be fine. I think he was the victim -- actually we were -- of his insane workload. You hit the nail on the head! Both DC & Marvel took advantage of his ability to meet deadlines. And his art suffered as a result. When he had time his art was good. Now we need to talk about why you don't like Mike Grell....  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 17:30:05 GMT -5
I never thought Ernie Chan was that bad. Man he drew everything back in the 70's!
If he drew like this all the time, it'd be fine. I think he was the victim -- actually we were -- of his insane workload. Here's a beauty... "How do I hate thee? let me count the ways." I liked Chua/Chan better as a finisher/inker than I did as a penciller. When he was doing a single figure sketch, it could be good (as the examples above show), but I thought his weaknesses lay in his layouts for panels and pages and his ability to show multiple people and objects in relation/proportion to each other. That's what always felt rushed or poorly conceived, which makes me scratch my head why he was given so many covers. To sum it up, if he was working off someone else's design or foundation, it could be okay, but if he was starting with a blank page and building from there, chances are the result would be subpar, especially if there were multiple elements on the page or in the panel. Not sure if he was getting the cover layouts/designs from editorial or from Infantino, but the drab uninspired execution of them seems par for the course for ole Ernie... -M |
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Post by MWGallaher on Oct 12, 2017 19:34:45 GMT -5
If he drew like this all the time, it'd be fine. I think he was the victim -- actually we were -- of his insane workload. Here's a beauty... "How do I hate thee? let me count the ways." I liked Chua/Chan better as a finisher/inker than I did as a penciller. When he was doing a single figure sketch, it could be good (as the examples above show), but I thought his weaknesses lay in his layouts for panels and pages and his ability to show multiple people and objects in relation/proportion to each other. That's what always felt rushed or poorly conceived, which makes me scratch my head why he was given so many covers. To sum it up, if he was working off someone else's design or foundation, it could be okay, but if he was starting with a blank page and building from there, chances are the result would be subpar, especially if there were multiple elements on the page or in the panel. Not sure if he was getting the cover layouts/designs from editorial or from Infantino, but the drab uninspired execution of them seems par for the course for ole Ernie... -M Nope, Ernie was DC's cover designer during the mid to late 70's, so those layouts, and many that were finished by other artists, reflected Ernie's designs. I used to keep a "Chan Count" in the "Forty Years Ago This Month" thread, and for a while, he was behind something like 66% of each month's DC covers, most of them notable for having large blank areas. So he was "starting with a blank page"...and very rarely filling it. |
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Post by Chris on Oct 12, 2017 22:29:00 GMT -5
I never thought Ernie Chan was that bad. Man he drew everything back in the 70's! I rather liked his newspaper career as an editorial cartoonist.  |
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Post by hondobrode on Oct 12, 2017 23:44:49 GMT -5
Wow
Where the heck did you find this ?
I'm not saying he's great or anything, but I loved his covers as a kid.
He's def an important part of my Bronze Age
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 13, 2017 6:49:52 GMT -5
I never thought that his covers were good nor bad. As for the blank spaces, I'm thinking it was a artistic choice. Almost like having gorillas on the cover to sell a book.
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Post by MDG on Oct 13, 2017 8:10:14 GMT -5
Nope, Ernie was DC's cover designer during the mid to late 70's, so those layouts, and many that were finished by other artists, reflected Ernie's designs. I used to keep a "Chan Count" in the "Forty Years Ago This Month" thread, and for a while, he was behind something like 66% of each month's DC covers, most of them notable for having large blank areas. So he was "starting with a blank page"...and very rarely filling it. Are you sure on this? When I met Grell in 78 or 79, he said that Warlord was the only book that Carmine wasn't laying out the covers for. |
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Post by MWGallaher on Oct 13, 2017 13:19:07 GMT -5
Nope, Ernie was DC's cover designer during the mid to late 70's, so those layouts, and many that were finished by other artists, reflected Ernie's designs. I used to keep a "Chan Count" in the "Forty Years Ago This Month" thread, and for a while, he was behind something like 66% of each month's DC covers, most of them notable for having large blank areas. So he was "starting with a blank page"...and very rarely filling it. Are you sure on this? When I met Grell in 78 or 79, he said that Warlord was the only book that Carmine wasn't laying out the covers for. Infantino had been fired for six months (January 1976) when Warlord #3 came out (July 1976), after a half year's cancellation, so I don't think he was providing any layouts for other DC comics during most of Warlord's run. Infantino's layouts are certainly evident in the period before Chan's covers became ubiquitous, when Nick Cardy was the main cover artist. Many of the design characteristics did continue during Chan's reign. For example, this cover, which is credited to Chan (a.k.a. Chua)...  ...has Infantino's trademark cityscape on the horizon, but those awkward main figures don't look to me like anything that Carmine would have posed. So if Infantino was providing the layouts, I think they were markedly inferior to his previous standards. |
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Post by Chris on Oct 19, 2017 21:37:47 GMT -5
Wow Where the heck did you find this ? I'm not saying he's great or anything, but I loved his covers as a kid. He's def an important part of my Bronze Age It's from Spider-Woman #29, 1980. Spider-Man appeared in it. |
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Post by hondobrode on Oct 20, 2017 9:06:42 GMT -5
Thanks, that's awesome
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