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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 6, 2017 4:40:32 GMT -5
What about Typhoid Mary? I only know her from reading some of Brubaker's run on DD but have always wanted to read her earlier appearances in the 80's. She was really great under Ann Nocenti's pen! I highly recommend her DD run, from beginning to end. Only Nocenti could make Daredevil vs Ultron so incredibly cool! As originally conceived, she was a woman with a severe multiple personality disorder, with mutant powers to boot (she could cause things to get hot and burst aflame if given enough time). I think she was retconned years later as being the prostitute who falls out a window in the Man without fear limited series. That particular retcon never made sense to me, if only because the character's hair color was all wrong. Evil, evil retcon spirit... get thee away from us! Do you know which issues Nocenti wrote Daredevil ? |
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 6, 2017 4:47:41 GMT -5
in The Brave and the Bold #97, Alan Brennert and Joe Staton I forget who the guest star was in 97 (95 Plastic Man, 96 Sgt. Rock, 98 Phantom Stranger, 99 Flash.... But I can't remember 97 for the life of me.) But I am fairly certain this is not correct. Probably 197 was Catwoman? I really need to reread. Yes it was #197. There were a nice run of books written by Alan Brennert from #181 to the end of the series that I revisit every once in a while. Maybe my favorite one is "Interlude on earth two" by Brennert and Aparo that has Batman transported to his counterparts earth to team up with Robin. Very nice bits in that issue dealing with grief and living up to a memory. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 6, 2017 4:50:30 GMT -5
By the time she first met the Dark Knight in Batman #1, she had achieved international notoriety. This revised origin only pertained to the Earth-Two version, her Earth-One counterpart retaining the original, amnesiac stewardess origin up through the Crisis on Infinite Earths. Post-Crisis, Frank Miller made her a prostitute, a development that still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Cei-U! Here, kitty, kitty, kitty! You telling me that Catwoman was made into a Prostitute by Frank Miller ... what's on Earth did Frank was thinking and I didn't know that. This information that you shared here is unbelievable. I'm totally shocked by all this. Thanks for telling me this and this made me very sad. Yeah, Miller wrote that she was in that profession in order to rob rich johns, but it was off putting regardless. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 6, 2017 6:26:21 GMT -5
She was really great under Ann Nocenti's pen! I highly recommend her DD run, from beginning to end. Only Nocenti could make Daredevil vs Ultron so incredibly cool! As originally conceived, she was a woman with a severe multiple personality disorder, with mutant powers to boot (she could cause things to get hot and burst aflame if given enough time). I think she was retconned years later as being the prostitute who falls out a window in the Man without fear limited series. That particular retcon never made sense to me, if only because the character's hair color was all wrong. Evil, evil retcon spirit... get thee away from us! Do you know which issues Nocenti wrote Daredevil ? 236-291, with a few fill-ins by other writers. Her run has very noteworthy features, and the art by John Romita Jr. (mostly) was very good. 1) Following on the footsteps of Frank Miller, who had left Daredevil broke, disbarred and living in poverty in Hell’s kitchen, she refrained from doing the expected thing... restoring the status quo to either that of the first Miller era, or to that of the pre-Miller era. She gutsiky decuded to play the cards she was dealt, and kept Matt broke, disbarred and in poverty. Accordingly, Hell’s Kitchen became a much more important element in the book, which started dealing with more social issues. 2) While her DD was very down to Earth, Nocenti had to find ways to mix her ongoing storyline with very unsuitable annual events like The Mutant Massacre, Fall of the Mutants, Inferno and Acts of Vengeance. Every single time, she not only wrote the best tie-in available to either of those events, but incorporated them so well in Daredevil’s life as to make them indispensible to her overall plan. 3) She created several great low-key characters who started as easily categorized cyphers but turned out to be fascinatingly multi-faceted. I sadly think that without exception, all were turned into retcon fodder by later writers who couldn’t see them for the storytelling treasures the were. Doesn’t matter. The originals are still there in Nocenti’s run. If memory serves, the book really takes off when JR Jr starts on the art. Those issues are doubtless dirt cheap, but they’re one of my favourite runs of any title! |
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Post by Cheswick on Oct 6, 2017 6:39:34 GMT -5
Catwoman has, in fact, had several backstories. In the '50s, we learned that the Golden Age Selina Kyle had been a flight attendant who developed criminal tendencies after a head injury. Another blow to the head restored her memory and she retired the Catwoman persona. Several decades later, in The Brave and the Bold #97, Alan Brennert and Joe Staton revealed that story was a lie. Selina had actually been an abused spouse who launched her crime career by stealing her own jewels back from her asshole ex-husband. This gave her a taste for larceny and she became The Cat. By the time she first met the Dark Knight in Batman #1, she had achieved international notoriety. This revised origin only pertained to the Earth-Two version, her Earth-One counterpart retaining the original, amnesiac stewardess origin up through the Crisis on Infinite Earths. Post-Crisis, Frank Miller made her a prostitute, a development that still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. What her status is now, or has been in the last thirty years, is outside my field of knowledge. Cei-U! Here, kitty, kitty, kitty! In recent issues of Batman, Tom King has, in a funny way, made reference to the multiple backstories for Catwoman. He had Bruce and Selena debating how they first met, with her making reference to events in Year One, and him recalling events from Batman #1. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 6, 2017 7:03:05 GMT -5
Do you know which issues Nocenti wrote Daredevil ? 236-291, with a few fill-ins by other writers. Her run has very noteworthy features, and the art by John Romita Jr. (mostly) was very good. 1) Following on the footsteps of Frank Miller, who had left Daredevil broke, disbarred and living in poverty in Hell’s kitchen, she refrained from doing the expected thing... restoring the status quo to either that of the first Miller era, or to that of the pre-Miller era. She gutsiky decuded to play the cards she was dealt, and kept Matt broke, disbarred and in poverty. Accordingly, Hell’s Kitchen became a much more important element in the book, which started dealing with more social issues. 2) While her DD was very down to Earth, Nocenti had to find ways to mix her ongoing storyline with very unsuitable annual events like The Mutant Massacre, Fall of the Mutants, Inferno and Acts of Vengeance. Every single time, she not only wrote the best tie-in available to either of those events, but incorporated them so well in Daredevil’s life as to make them indispensible to her overall plan. 3) She created several great low-key characters who started as easily categorized cyphers but turned out to be fascinatingly multi-faceted. I sadly think that without exception, all were turned into retcon fodder by later writers who couldn’t see them for the storytelling treasures the were. Doesn’t matter. The originals are still there in Nocenti’s run. If memory serves, the book really takes off when JR Jr starts on the art. Those issues are doubtless dirt cheap, but they’re one of my favourite runs of any title! I have MU so I think I'll will start reading that run. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 6, 2017 7:19:49 GMT -5
Berkley mentioned Morgan La Fay... Busiek made her a pretty major Avengers villain... the magic opposite to Tony Stark's tech, which I really enjoyed.
She's a little later than some here, but there's Fatality, (the Kyle Rayner villain).. I don't remember her origin, and it's probably different now, but I THINK her husband was wrongfully killed by a GL, so I guess that doesn't really count.
Emerald Empress?
There's that new Waid retconned Avengers villain that I don't recall the name off.. I think she's pretty much just evil.
More recently in Iron Man, there's Justin Hammer's daughter...she's in it for revenge for her dad.. that's a bit different.
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Post by Cei-U! on Oct 6, 2017 8:01:08 GMT -5
in The Brave and the Bold #97, Alan Brennert and Joe Staton I forget who the guest star was in 97 (95 Plastic Man, 96 Sgt. Rock, 98 Phantom Stranger, 99 Flash.... But I can't remember 97 for the life of me.) But I am fairly certain this is not correct. Probably 197 was Catwoman? I really need to reread. Quite right, it was B&B #197. I corrected my original post. Thanks for the backstop! Cei-U! And B&B #97 was Wildcat! |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Oct 6, 2017 8:19:06 GMT -5
By the time she first met the Dark Knight in Batman #1, she had achieved international notoriety. This revised origin only pertained to the Earth-Two version, her Earth-One counterpart retaining the original, amnesiac stewardess origin up through the Crisis on Infinite Earths. Post-Crisis, Frank Miller made her a prostitute, a development that still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Cei-U! Here, kitty, kitty, kitty! You telling me that Catwoman was made into a Prostitute by Frank Miller ... what's on Earth did Frank was thinking and I didn't know that. This information that you shared here is unbelievable. I'm totally shocked by all this. Thanks for telling me this and this made me very sad. Frank Miller ruins about everything he touches that aren't his own characters. The more I hear about what he does in comics, the more I think Marv is about the closest he's come to a character have any moral fiber at all. Even in the great Born Again, he just couldn't stop himself. I guess the only reason I "bought it" is because I have seen what drugs can do to a person. I came into to mention Typhoid Mary as well. She had a good story opposite Wolverine in MCP #109-117 by Ann Nocenti and Steve Lightle. I ran into these stories from the Thanos stories that were in them as well. I remember liking them a lot, but it has honestly probably been many many years since I read them. But I like Lightle's art as well, so I maybe glossing over the story some. I also like the story of Typhoid Mary opposite Spidey in Spectacular Spiderman #213, 214 also by Ms Nocenti. This time with James W Fry III art, which I liked as well. I think she really fits as a villain opposite Spidey. Especially in this story where she not only plays Spidey as Typhoid Mary, but also as Mary. Both personalities appealing to Peter's more carnal side. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 8:52:29 GMT -5
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 6, 2017 9:11:11 GMT -5
The Golden Age Huntress seems to have begun as just a woman who was a criminal/ gangleader. She made her mission, at least at the start, to hunt down and imprison (or worse) politicians, police commissioners and other authority figures.   |
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Post by badwolf on Oct 6, 2017 9:15:33 GMT -5
Berkley mentioned Morgan La Fay... Busiek made her a pretty major Avengers villain... the magic opposite to Tony Stark's tech, which I really enjoyed. She was also a persistent thorn in the side of the original Spider-Woman. |
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Post by Jesse on Oct 6, 2017 16:16:00 GMT -5
Catwoman. What her status is now, or has been in the last thirty years, is outside my field of knowledge. In the new 52 towards the later half of her run I think they revealed that she grew up an orphan and Selina Kyle wasn't even her real name. Her father was a gangster named The Lion or something like that. She ended up not being Catwoman anymore and running his criminal empire giving her costume to the daughter of one of her rivals in the Yakuza. I dropped the run shortly after that and didn't really care for it. Post Rebirth during the I Am Bane story arc in the Batman run she was locked up for mass murder so I'm not sure what the hell happened in between there. As of the last issues of Batman he asked her to marry him at the beginning of the Joker Riddler war and in the conclusion she says yes. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 17:11:27 GMT -5
Prince Hal ... The Golden Age Huntress is one of my sentimental favorites and I wished they used her again for good old fashioned villainy again!
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Post by String on Oct 6, 2017 20:33:02 GMT -5
Madame Masque - though I haven't read every appearance of her, I've always liked the brewing and semi-tragic romance between her and Tony Stark.
As for Catwoman, my first real exposure to her as a kid was through Miller's Year One. Given his crime noir styling and the typical dark street world of Gotham and Batman, I've never really had a fault with her being from the world of prostitution.
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