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Post by The Cheat on Jun 3, 2021 14:01:25 GMT -5
Gandalf did know it was down there, didn't he? That was why he was so reluctant to take that path and only went that way as a last resort?
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Jun 3, 2021 14:26:21 GMT -5
Gandalf did know it was down there, didn't he? That was why he was so reluctant to take that path and only went that way as a last resort? That's from the movie. In the book Gandalf actually thought Moria would be the safer route. When the Balrog first appeared he had no idea what it was, only that it was a power which could match him so he ran away. He was just as surprised as Legolas when it became clear it was a Balrog.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2021 10:22:51 GMT -5
From Mike Ploog's FB page, he posted one of his storyboards from the Bakshi animated film... I guess I knew he had worked in animation but I wasn't aware he was part of the Bakshi studios. He apparently worked on Wizards as well. -M
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2021 20:04:46 GMT -5
New Line Cinema is teaming up with Warner Bros Animation for a Lord of the Rings anime.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jun 11, 2021 6:33:41 GMT -5
New Line Cinema is teaming up with Warner Bros Animation for a Lord of the Rings anime.I saw that...and I'm not really sure how I feel about it, but I guess with Christopher gone we're likely to see more of this kind of stuff in the future so we should all probably just brace ourselves.
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Post by Confessor on Jun 29, 2021 18:07:13 GMT -5
What part (or parts) of LOTRs do you find boring?
For me, it's the couple of chapters in The Fellowship of the Ring that are set in Rivendell, where Frodo recovers from his stab wound and the council of Elrond takes place. I realise that It's a very important part of the book, dealing, as it does, with the forming of the fellowship and in establishing our heroes' plan to destroy the ring. But coming after the tense leaving of the Shire, with the Nazgul in pursuit, the incidents at Bree and Weathertop, and the exciting Flight to the Ford, it always feels like an overly long lull in the adventure to me. Once the ring goes South things pick up again.
It's not that I hate that part of the story or anything, but I have always found it just a little bit dull.
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Post by berkley on Jun 29, 2021 21:27:29 GMT -5
I think for me, when I read it as a just-turned 14-year-old, it was the whole sub-plot of Eowyn's unrequited love for Aragon. I wouldn't have articulated this to myself in these terms at the time, but it made what could have been an impressive Viking shield-maiden sort of character into a weak, emotionally needy girl.
THis has consequences: instead of Eowyn being defined by her supposedly unfeminine warrior nature, she was defined by her endless pining after the unattainable Aragorn - and her defeat of the Witch-King ends upcoming across as a cheap trick of prophecy: it's only because she's a woman, not because she's a woman-warrior, that she's able to kill the Witch-King.
One might argue that this is no different from what Shakespeare did with Macbeth and Macduff, but there is a difference, to my mind - a difference in emphasis: Macduff is a warrior and the prophecy only means that he,s able to fight Macbeth on equal terms because he is exempt from the terms of Macbeth's destiny not to be killed by man of woman born. Eowyn, OTOH, similarly exempt from the spell or whatever it is that makes the Nazgul leader invicble to man, is only able to kill him by a lucky stroke as she trembles in fear, not because she is a skilled fighter.
The Council of Elrond, OTOH, was one of my favourite bits! I welcomed the temporary relaxation of tension after all the suspense and terror of what had gone before - because when I read it as a young teenager I totally bought into the story and felt nearly as afraid and hopeless as if I had actually been there with Frodo, Sam, and the others. The Council felt like a great relief - the information about what was happening - all a great mystery up to then, IIRC - the forming of a plan, however forlorn - all this gave hope to the reader as it did to the characters. And looking back as a much older and more experienced person, I think it shows tremendous skill and storytelling instincts on the part of Tolkien.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 29, 2021 22:44:04 GMT -5
Tom Bombadil. Stops Fellowship dead in its tracks. I’ve not made it past there the last couple times I tried a re-read.
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Jun 30, 2021 1:07:20 GMT -5
I also found the Council of Elrond to be pretty hard to get through in the book. So many characters who just appear to say a line or two who were never mentioned before and never will be again, and so much painful exposition, at least as far as I can remember.
Tom Bombadil was interesting in the first read because it was so unexpected, but since I now know it goes nowhere and adds nothing I kind of wish he wasn't even in the book.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Jun 30, 2021 4:01:19 GMT -5
Probably not the best person to ask which parts of LoTR I thought dragged, because I'm not really a fan of it any more. I always found the most of Frodo and Sam's travails in Mordor in both Two Towers and Return of the King a chore to read, but there are parts in the other sections of those two books that dragged as well. Fellowship I generally liked. I always thought of it as the strongest part of the trilogy (along with the epilogue in the Shire), and I was never bothered by either the Council of Elrond or even Tom Bombadil, as pointless as that episode ultimately turned out to be.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 30, 2021 7:53:05 GMT -5
Dull? Nothing. Well, maybe some of the appendices. Oh, sure, when I first read the book, I could have done without most of the chapters set in the Shire (selling and buying houses, disposing of cuttlery) and without the Bombadil episode. I don't think I much cared for the rabbit stew chapter either. But upon re-reading, I find them as essential and (in the end) as enjoyable as Achilles bitching in his tent in the Illiad. They had much verisimilitude to a story that's just not another fantasy adventure. One might argue that this is no different from what Shakespeare did with Macbeth and Macduff, but there is a difference, to my mind - a difference in emphasis: Macduff is a warrior and the prophecy only means that he,s able to fight Macbeth on equal terms because he is exempt from the terms of Macbeth's destiny not to be killed by man of woman born. Eowyn, OTOH, similarly exempt from the spell or whatever it is that makes the Nazgul leader invicble to man, is only able to kill him by a lucky stroke as she trembles in fear, not because she is a skilled fighter. I would however add that the Witch-King was not downed by Eowyn alone; it is Merry, stabbing him in the leg, who gave Eowyn an opening. Being a Hobbit and not a man, Merry does not contradict the prophecy, and in accord with the general theme of the book, the high and mighty are eventually toppled by the humble (acting in concert and out of caring for each other).
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Post by Confessor on Jun 30, 2021 9:49:51 GMT -5
I used to find the whole Tom Bombadil bit a chore to get through as a teen, but as I've gotten older I've found it more and more interesting as time goes on. To the point now where it's a favouirite part of the book for me. Now don't get me wrong, I don't think the meeting with Tom Bombadil is an essential part of the book or anything, but it is definitely quite entertaining and also rather thought-provoking. I just don't think I really understood it that well when I was a teen. I wrote more about my thoughts on Tom Bombadil and the Old Forest here.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jul 4, 2021 10:35:12 GMT -5
Tom Bombadil. Stops Fellowship dead in its tracks. I’ve not made it past there the last couple times I tried a re-read. See, sometimes I just read up to the end of the Bombadil part and no further not because I get bored there but because I have an intense love for that part! The mystery and adventure of the forest and the mythic nature of Bombadil and Goldberry is just so fascinating that I always find myself wanting more. I used to find the whole Tom Bombadil bit a chore to get through as a teen, but as I've gotten older I've found it more and more interesting as time goes on. To the point now where it's a favouirite part of the book for me. Now don't get me wrong, I don't think the meeting with Tom Bombadil is an essential part of the book or anything, but it is definitely quite entertaining and also rather thought-provoking. I just don't think I really understood it that well when I was a teen. I wrote more about my thoughts on Tom Bombadil and the Old Forest here. Well thanks to this trip down memory lane I can see that my thoughts are pretty much unchanged!
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 4, 2021 15:00:31 GMT -5
Something I had forgotten is how in the book, when the fellowship reaches Mt. Caradhras, their problems are not caused by Saruman (unlike what we see in the movie). It's the mountain itself that's foul tempered and doesn't like visitors.
Middle-Earth was full of places with their own personality. Another thing to love about it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2021 15:05:51 GMT -5
Well we have a release date for the Amazon Lord of the Rings series-Friday Sept. 22, 2022, so a little over a year away. articleWe also got the first official image of the show as filming has wrapped in New Zealnd... Some fans have speculated that the series is set in Valinor based on the image, claiming the image depicts the Two Trees in it. -M
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