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Post by Randle-El on Dec 2, 2017 16:35:46 GMT -5
There are a variety of ways that they can show how virtually unstoppable Thanos would become should he acquire all the stones without him actually doing so. A prophecy or some type of cosmic vision perhaps. This would help build the tension and suspense, both for the general audience and for the characters themselves. But it makes more sense to me to have these two films as a race to keep Thanos from fully assembling the stones instead. Thus, the Soul Gem, whose location is still unknown so far, may be a potential key in stopping him, either with it's properties and/or whoever ends up wielding it. Well there is the issue. If you build up the gauntlet as this treasure trove of power once the proper sequence of events is coordinated, the audience is going to want to see that. I know I did when I read the story. Of course I was thinking "ok so what is the grand plan for stopping him if he apparently has this much power". I guess the only option is to have the character themselves defeat themselves or whatever through some character flaw. I remember vaguely in the relaunch of Wonder Woman by George Perez Aries gets all of this acquired power, and is about to basically end the story with his taking over. Except Diana tells him if he were to rule the universe and destroy everything he would get bored and be alone for eternity. Aries realizes this and forfeits his position. I think the MCU folks could easily take a page from the Lord of the Rings playbook for this. Just replace Sauron with Thanos and the One Ring with the Infinity Gauntlet and the solution becomes self-evident. Sauron never got his hands on the One Ring, but all the characters constantly harping on how unstoppable it would make him was more than enough to emphasize what was at stake. And personally, I felt the story was stronger for them never really showing what Sauron would/could do with the ring. The genius of both Tolkien and Peter Jackson was that the idea of him having the ring was more powerful than actually showing him with the ring. After all the characters hyping up the power of the ring, there's nothing they could show that could meet those expectations, and it doesn't even really enhance the story to try. LotR works perfectly fine as a McGuffin chase, and there's nothing inherently wrong with a McGuffin chase, so long as its executed well. I maintain that the same could be said for the Avengers franchise. There's plenty of drama and suspense to be had just making it a McGuffin chase for the last stone. If he ever fully assembles the gauntlet, I don't see how they can nail the ending without a massive plot hole or deus ex machina of some kind. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 2, 2017 18:33:17 GMT -5
Let’s not forget what these movies are... They’re not aspiring to transcend their origin and turn cheap newsprint adventures into a respectable literary form, they’re just trying to make a ton of money by having brand-name characters have exciting adventures. I very much doubt that the infinity stones will lead us to ponder about the consequences of omnipotence and the nature of reality; they’ll just be treated as McGuffins. They’re objects that can be used as weapons by a bad guy, and the heroes are going to try and take them away from him. I’d be very surprised if the screenwriters’ reflection on the nature and potential of the stones went any further!
I don’t even mind, as a movie-goer. As long as the action is exciting, that the humour makes me laugh and that the plot is not too nonsensical, I’ll be happy.
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Post by Warmonger on Dec 2, 2017 19:48:18 GMT -5
Let’s not forget what these movies are... They’re not aspiring to transcend their origin and turn cheap newsprint adventures into a respectable literary form, they’re just trying to make a ton of money by having brand-name characters have exciting adventures. I very much doubt that the infinity stones will lead us to ponder about the consequences of omnipotence and the nature of reality; they’ll just be treated as McGuffins. They’re objects that can be used as weapons by a bad guy, and the heroes are going to try and take them away from him. I’d be very surprised if the screenwriters’ reflection on the nature and potential of the stones went any further! I don’t even mind, as a movie-goer. As long as the action is exciting, that the humour makes me laugh and that the plot is not too nonsensical, I’ll be happy. Yeah, pretty much this. As long as me and the kids are entertained and not miserable with these movies...I’m happy. If you go in expecting an extremely faithful comic adaptation in...well...pretty much any superhero movie/show ever made, you’re bound to walk away disappointed. For instance, Keaton’s Batman killed on a few different occasions in Batman ‘89 and Batman Returns, but Burton created the greatest (live action) Gotham City ever witnessed on screen to this very day (feels like its own character) and I still love Nicholson’s Joker, even through he’s essentially playing himself. Hackman’s Lex Luthor is a totally non-threatening goof for the most part, but I’d still consider the first 2 Superman movies some of the best comic movies ever made, and I’m not a Superman fan in the slightest. Basically, I just want really good popcorn flicks with these movies. A movie that is probably never going to carve out a place among my all-time favorite films, but at least is consistently entertaining and fun. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 11:41:15 GMT -5
New trailer dropped this morning:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 11:46:51 GMT -5
Didn't like that one as much as the previous one, and I'm getting really nervous about this film. I so badly want it to be the greatest thing ever, but I have this horrible nagging feeling that it's going to be another massive disappointment - obviously, it's unlikely to be as bad as something like Justice League, but it could be another GotG2 / Thor 3 / Spider-Man: homecoming / Black Panther (all fairly good, but all ultimately fell short, and all could have been so much better)
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Post by brutalis on Mar 16, 2018 14:52:08 GMT -5
Like it. Shows that this movie will run the gamut of the Marvel movie-verse giving glimpses of most of the majority of actors giving more presence to the idea that Thanos will be a grave and threatening danger to them all. Does what it needs to do for getting butts into theaters without revealing anything important and lets you know it will be a slobberknocker of a struggle which continues the standards and qualities of the MU movies. Definitely a MUST SEE for most comic and movie watchers who follow the MU movies.
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Post by String on Mar 16, 2018 15:59:22 GMT -5
That last shot, of Steve against Thanos, the emotions on each of their faces, that says it all for me.
This is going to be great.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Mar 16, 2018 18:26:09 GMT -5
I dont think this can disappoint. The only MCU movie to do that so far for me was Thor Ragnarok. This, just getting to see literally every character on screen, is going to be fun no matter what. What will be interesting is seeing what Marvel plans to do after this monster saga.
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 16, 2018 19:33:18 GMT -5
It looks amazing. I could watch that trailer over and over again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 20:06:33 GMT -5
That last shot, of Steve against Thanos, the emotions on each of their faces, that says it all for me. This is going to be great. I hope you are right. |
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Post by tarkintino on Mar 16, 2018 20:07:17 GMT -5
I have the suspicion that this will be one action sequence after another, with much noise & no substance, or, thanks to certain actor's contracts end with this 2-part film, said actors will get their moments (predicting their end), while the pile of other actors are shortchanged.
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Post by berkley on Mar 17, 2018 23:56:03 GMT -5
Let’s not forget what these movies are... They’re not aspiring to transcend their origin and turn cheap newsprint adventures into a respectable literary form, they’re just trying to make a ton of money by having brand-name characters have exciting adventures. I very much doubt that the infinity stones will lead us to ponder about the consequences of omnipotence and the nature of reality; they’ll just be treated as McGuffins. They’re objects that can be used as weapons by a bad guy, and the heroes are going to try and take them away from him. I’d be very surprised if the screenwriters’ reflection on the nature and potential of the stones went any further! I don’t even mind, as a movie-goer. As long as the action is exciting, that the humour makes me laugh and that the plot is not too nonsensical, I’ll be happy. yeah, it's a matter of limiting your expectations. I "liked" this because it's so spot-on, not because I think it's a good thing that the films are so unambitious. I'd love to see a more serious effort to capture whatever it was that made me love the comics (not the various Infinity series, which I didn't care for much, but you know what I mean), but it isn't going to happen in the current scheme of things. |
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Post by berkley on Mar 17, 2018 23:59:31 GMT -5
Didn't like that one as much as the previous one, and I'm getting really nervous about this film. I so badly want it to be the greatest thing ever, but I have this horrible nagging feeling that it's going to be another massive disappointment - obviously, it's unlikely to be as bad as something like Justice League, but it could be another GotG2 / Thor 3 / Spider-Man: homecoming / Black Panther (all fairly good, but all ultimately fell short, and all could have been so much better) Which ones do you think weren't disappointments? Just curious - I don't see a big difference between the ones you listed and the others, though I haven't seen Spider-Man or the Black Panther. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 12:41:46 GMT -5
I was disappointed in all the ones listed
- GotG2 I felt was trying too hard and really forcing the humour, that fell flat more than it landed. Drax's part in particular was just awful.
- Thor 3 went overboard with the humour, though of all of them, that one has survived multiple rewatchings - it's also got a good villain and lot of dramatic stuff to it - but it looked so good from the Led Zep trailer, and it just didn't live up to it
- SM:H wasn't anything specific, it just didn't reach up to (maybe unrealistic) expectations, from the character in Civil War. Also was pretty dull for stretches of the film
- BP I thought was just pretty dull for the first 2/3 of the film, and a lot of the CGI was really poor.
I'm not sure if the films just haven't been all that good, or whether my expectations have been changed by seeing other films (Logan and Deadpool) which have upped the bar a bit. I think the last MCU film I liked pretty unreservedly was Ant Man, though CA: Civil War was also good. The first Avengers, for example, has the same "didn't know how to end it" problem that a lot of the other have, but had the sheer visceral thrill of seeing all the characters on-screen "together again for the first time" (to quote the old non-sensical cover blurb), and was generally pretty sharply written.
It might even be superhero fatigue from the films (though really liking Logan and Deadpool kinds of argues against that) - as well as the 4 meh MCU films, you can throw in Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman, Justice League and X-Men:Apocalypse which I thought were all dreadful.
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Post by badwolf on Mar 18, 2018 16:10:17 GMT -5
Looks like it could be fun, which is all I can hope for really. I've never read the original story so I have no attachment whatsoever.
Regarding Spider-Kid, my guess is that he'll be relegated to some side-quest. Like when the Watcher sent the Human Torch to fetch the Ultimate Nullifier in the comics story of Galactus.
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