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Post by shaxper on Nov 29, 2017 8:54:25 GMT -5
The new trailer is out:
The internet is raving (and I'd imagine especially so in the wake of the Justice League letdown), but I can't say I'm all that excited just yet. I hope to be pleasantly surprised. The one thing that does impress me is their working all the Marvel Cinemaverse characters into one film, less because it's ALL of them, and more because that means Marvel is committing to all of these depictions and actors. You can't fourboot Spidey when the threeboot is in the Marvel film to end all Marvel films, right?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 9:01:54 GMT -5
Man, this is so EPIC ...
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Post by brutalis on Nov 29, 2017 9:16:13 GMT -5
Looking Awesome. Seems to capture what is special about the Marvel movies in spectacular cosmic fashion melded with human aspects. Panther's evident respect and admiration for Cap. Vision's desire to physically be human and in love with Wanda. Peter Parker in the city and his arm hairs standing up as a sign of his spider sense warning him and then looking out the window to see the giant Ship floating before Avengers Tower. Showing ALL the heroes coming together. Wakanda as a nation rushing forth in defense of the world. These things are a significant part of Stan's Marvel Universe concepts of the normal world and its interactions with the SUPER. Going to be a grand finale to the current MU movie series and lets the actors and heroes bow out in grand style.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 29, 2017 9:17:44 GMT -5
I just can't wrap my head around how they're going to make the story work. Scenario 1: They follow the basic premise of the comic, and Thanos already has all the gems (his obtaining them is told in flashback). In this circumstance, heroes like Spiderman and Black Panther would be absolutely worthless. You could spend two hours watching Cap coordinate attacks between Hulk and Thor that ultimately accomplish nothing, but not those guys. Scenario 2: Thanos is still attempting to acquire all the gems. Why are all of Earth's heroes there stopping him? Are all the remaining gems on Earth??? Way back when I was reviewing both Thanos Sagas ( here and here) I concluded that the only Thanos story that truly and completely worked was Thanos Quest, because that was the one time it was Thanos' story and not a bunch of heroes hopelessly attempting to thwart him for the millionth time when we knew they couldn't succeed. Maybe they'll just significantly de-power the Infinity Gems? |
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Post by Dizzy D on Nov 29, 2017 9:51:08 GMT -5
I just can't wrap my head around how they're going to make the story work. Scenario 1: They follow the basic premise of the comic, and Thanos already has all the gems (his obtaining them is told in flashback). In this circumstance, heroes like Spiderman and Black Panther would be absolutely worthless. You could spend two hours watching Cap coordinate attacks between Hulk and Thor that ultimately accomplish nothing, but not those guys. Scenario 2: Thanos is still attempting to acquire all the gems. Why are all of Earth's heroes there stopping him? Are all the remaining gems on Earth??? Way back when I was reviewing both Thanos Sagas ( here and here) I concluded that the only Thanos story that truly and completely worked was Thanos Quest, because that was the one time it was Thanos' story and not a bunch of heroes hopelessly attempting to thwart him for the millionth time when we knew they couldn't succeed. Maybe they'll just significantly de-power the Infinity Gems? From the trailer itself and some speculation (spoiler below is for Thor: Ragnarok): We see Thanos taking the Gem from Vision and we see him with 2 gems in the gauntlet at one point (Power and Space so to see), so he is still gathering them. Power is currently with the Nova Corps, so they look to be the first of his targets and the ones that will face him in the opening of the movie to establish him as an actual threat (so far he's just been sitting around in the movies.) Space was last seen in the vault in Asgard {Spoiler}and presumably taken by Loki when we see him in the vault at the end of Ragnarok. Loki will probably give the gem to Thanos in exchange for the safety of the Asgardians on the ship. . We know that there are two gems on Earth (Mind-gem with Vision, Time-gem with Strange). Reality is with the Collector and probably the one they want to save for last because it can make things very complicated. Soul's location is still unknown AFAIK. So Thanos coming to Earth for gem 3 and 4 and running into the heroes makes sense as two of them have the gems. (Probably with a warning from the Guardians after Thanos defeats the Nova Corps). They will fail, Thanos leaves for space to find the last gem(s), heroes follow to stop him before he has them all. cue part 2. So from that, I expect a scenario 2 and there are good reasons for Earth's heroes to try and stop him. |
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Post by Randle-El on Nov 29, 2017 10:31:24 GMT -5
I just can't wrap my head around how they're going to make the story work. Scenario 1: They follow the basic premise of the comic, and Thanos already has all the gems (his obtaining them is told in flashback). In this circumstance, heroes like Spiderman and Black Panther would be absolutely worthless. You could spend two hours watching Cap coordinate attacks between Hulk and Thor that ultimately accomplish nothing, but not those guys. Well, to be fair the source material had that problem as well. In the original series, Thanos already has all the gems and has already wiped out half of all life in the MU, and the team they send in to defeat him has some seriously underpowered heroes, including Spidey, Wolverine, and Cyclops. Even that aside, the writers painted themselves into a corner since an omnipotent and omniscient being is undefeatable, so they had to make up some silly reason why they heroes even had a chance of beating him. |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 29, 2017 10:36:01 GMT -5
I just can't wrap my head around how they're going to make the story work. Scenario 1: They follow the basic premise of the comic, and Thanos already has all the gems (his obtaining them is told in flashback). In this circumstance, heroes like Spiderman and Black Panther would be absolutely worthless. You could spend two hours watching Cap coordinate attacks between Hulk and Thor that ultimately accomplish nothing, but not those guys. Well, to be fair the source material had that problem as well. In the original series, Thanos already has all the gems and has already wiped out half of all life in the MU, and the team they send in to defeat him has some seriously underpowered heroes, including Spidey, Wolverine, and Cyclops. Even that aside, the writers painted themselves into a corner since an omnipotent and omniscient being is undefeatable, so they had to make up some silly reason why they heroes even had a chance of beating him. Totally agreed, but the source material also had a much larger cast of heroes, many of them wielding impressive powers. There was at least some small measure of belief that they might stand some small chance of stopping Thanos if you couldn't even keep track of all the ultra powerful heroes who were present. This is a far more paltry showing in contrast. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 29, 2017 11:38:25 GMT -5
I'm probably looking forward to this movie less than any other MCU offering to date. Thanos has always bored me to tears. He looks like a California Raisin on steroids and his death fetish is the worst kind of ham-fisted metaphor. I wish they were going up against Kang instead, and I *hate* Kang so that should tell you something. I'm also not fond of cosmic macguffins like the Infinity Stones or the Anti-Life Equation. But I will go give them my money like the trained monkey I am, enjoy the spectacle and hope for the best.
Cei-U!
I summon the mixed message!
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Post by Warmonger on Nov 29, 2017 11:45:01 GMT -5
Looks great
I just wish they would’ve kept the scene from comic con where Thanos hurls a damn moon at the team.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 13:25:32 GMT -5
I think the Black Panther/Wakanda connection is drawn from the fairly recent Infinity event from 2013 or 2014 penned by Hickman where Thanos invaded Wakanda for something they had, which is probably being mashed into what they are taking from the Infinity Gauntlet/War stories of Starlin (that's also the story where the Terrigen Mists were released into Earth's atmosphere and the new Inhumans were created, which I think would have tied to the Inhumans movie they were originally planning but dropped).
As for the trailer itself, my only reaction was "F--- YEAH!"
It's a big story but it's going ot be told over 2 films. Avengers 3 and 4 comprise the Infinity story, so I think 3 will be Thanos trying to acquire the gems and the resistance to that, and 4 will be what happens if he gets/doesn't get all of them. The soul gem might even be the focus of 4 and not a part of 3 at all.
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Post by The Captain on Nov 29, 2017 13:30:30 GMT -5
Well, to be fair the source material had that problem as well. In the original series, Thanos already has all the gems and has already wiped out half of all life in the MU, and the team they send in to defeat him has some seriously underpowered heroes, including Spidey, Wolverine, and Cyclops. Even that aside, the writers painted themselves into a corner since an omnipotent and omniscient being is undefeatable, so they had to make up some silly reason why they heroes even had a chance of beating him. Totally agreed, but the source material also had a much larger cast of heroes, many of them wielding impressive powers. There was at least some small measure of belief that they might stand some small chance of stopping Thanos if you couldn't even keep track of all the ultra powerful heroes who were present. This is a far more paltry showing in contrast. They're going to need to roll out Ms./Captain Marvel at some point, so what's to say it isn't here or in a post-credit scene? She's got some pretty decent power levels. They may even bring out Adam Warlock as well. And don't forget that Howard the Duck is out there somewhere also 🤔 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 13:55:59 GMT -5
Captain Marvel is definitely in Avengers 4, but (probably) not in this one. Warlock looks likely for GotG3, which is tentatively set for 2020, so a year after A4.
You know, a few months ago, I would have been really stoked by that preview, but the last few super-hero films have left me pretty lukewarm at best. Spider-Man: Homecoming was alright, but didn't really move me, Thor 3 was OK (and actually gets better with re-watching) but I found it such a let-down after that epic first trailer, and (also in the genre but admittedly not Marvel) Wonder Woman and Justice League were both dreadful. I'm not getting my hopes up just yet.
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Post by Jesse on Nov 29, 2017 14:13:00 GMT -5
I didn't realize how badly I wanted to see the Guardians in an Avengers movie until I saw that.
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Post by rberman on Nov 29, 2017 14:43:20 GMT -5
Looks great! I have always considered Thanos to be a Darkseid knockoff, so he still has the potential to be the weakest link, but I am keeping an open mind. Good villains make a huge difference; think how much time the first season of Daredevil put into making Kingpin an intriguing and even sympathetic figure, as opposed to Apocalypse in the recent X-Men movie, who was just another "We should destroy the world so I can sit in the ruins" monster. If they could make Thanos' obsession with Death palpable, it could be more than just blowing stuff up, but I'm not sure how to make that happen. We'll see! At least all the heroes can share screen time before the actors' contracts lapse.
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Post by berkley on Nov 29, 2017 15:52:55 GMT -5
I'm not the biggest fan of Thanos as a character, but I don't think they've captured the look of the comics version, or come up with something different that works for film. Probably needs to be more, or better, cgi. Brolin's voice isn't all that great either.
However, my expectations are never high for these things so I can't say it's a disappointment. I'm sure I'll see the movie and enjoy it as the lightest of light entertainment, as I have all the other Marvel movies.
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