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Post by brutalis on Jan 9, 2018 10:01:48 GMT -5
Thanks Kurt. It's been a blast (as always). And, once again, I am still not sure I got my final list right (as always). And the Kirby fascination continues to bewilder me, but to each, his own. Not so bewildering as Kirby utilized imagination, not relying on current or contemporary styles or making costumes adhere to "real life" or trending fashions. Therefore his designs remain timeless and bold and exciting. They are meant to be COSTUMES dagnabbit all and since comics are fantasy they DO NOT need to look realistic to the times. Does anybody want to remember the bomber jacket craze for Avengers and X-Men? Jack Knight Starman in modern clothing works but only because daddy wore an iconic costume that says STARMAN and we know Jack is an independent young jerk trying to find his way as a hero. Is fishnet stockings really a good costume choice for Black Canary to fight in? Yes if meant to distract the villain and to look sexy while doing it but no to functionality. Give me creative fascinating costume designs any day of the week please!!!!
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Post by badwolf on Jan 9, 2018 13:37:27 GMT -5
Hela was under consideration but did not make my list only because so many others had mentioned her. The film was not an influence for me; I have been struck by her design (it's really all about the headdress) since I first saw her as a kid, which I think was in The Superhero Women where she was drawn by John Buscema. Incidentally, that headdress seems to me one of those things that can't really translate to film (though I think its interpretation was good)--I never saw the "thorns" as three-dimensional, rather just flat black space, the kind of thing you can only do in a comic.
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Post by foxley on Jan 9, 2018 16:41:01 GMT -5
Thanks Kurt. It's been a blast (as always). And, once again, I am still not sure I got my final list right (as always). And the Kirby fascination continues to bewilder me, but to each, his own. Not so bewildering as Kirby utilized imagination, not relying on current or contemporary styles or making costumes adhere to "real life" or trending fashions. Therefore his designs remain timeless and bold and exciting. They are meant to be COSTUMES dagnabbit all and since comics are fantasy they DO NOT need to look realistic to the times. Does anybody want to remember the bomber jacket craze for Avengers and X-Men? Jack Knight Starman in modern clothing works but only because daddy wore an iconic costume that says STARMAN and we know Jack is an independent young jerk trying to find his way as a hero. Is fishnet stockings really a good costume choice for Black Canary to fight in? Yes if meant to distract the villain and to look sexy while doing it but no to functionality. Give me creative fascinating costume designs any day of the week please!!!! So fishnets break your suspension of disbelief, but headdresses that would get stuck in every doorway (and make it impossible to hold your head upright) don't? As I said, to each, their own.
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Post by berkley on Jan 9, 2018 22:53:41 GMT -5
Yeah, I suppose it really is different for every reader. Nothing in superhero comics makes snese when you come right down to it, so we all have to suspend our disbelief in some way, and what some readers can ignore, or even enjoy, will spoil the illusion for others.
With Hela, as with many of Kirby's more out there designs, I think the design is more about creating an impression than practicality. The movie actually did something pretty clever with the head-dress by making it this sort of mysterious attribute that appeared and disappeared in a visually interesting way; I always figured that in the comics, the practical question of walking through doorways was pointless: the fact that she could do so in spite of this 6 foot wide head-piece was just another sign that she isn't any ordinary being. There's something magical, something more than human about her, and the outrageous costume is part of that.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jan 10, 2018 6:59:57 GMT -5
Also receiving double-digit votes were John Buscema (12/10), Curt Swan (11/9), Carmine Infantino (11/7), and Bob Kane (10/4). Heh. That's another point... design attribution can be tricky... The first artist to draw a character isn't the guy who designed it. (John Romita designed Wolverine, right?) George Papp drew what-I-think-but-am-not-sure was the first appearance of my beloved KTB in Superboy # 102, but that doesn't absolutely mean he designed the look.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 10, 2018 7:32:27 GMT -5
Also receiving double-digit votes were John Buscema (12/10), Curt Swan (11/9), Carmine Infantino (11/7), and Bob Kane (10/4). Heh. That's another point... design attribution can be tricky... The first artist to draw a character isn't the guy who designed it. (John Romita designed Wolverine, right?) George Papp drew what-I-think-but-am-not-sure was the first appearance of my beloved KTB in Superboy # 102, but that doesn't absolutely mean he designed the look. That's the point I was trying to make on a previous post. Supermans look has been altered over the years but The one I like the most is the 60's look that included the underwear on the outside. Who created that ? Answer- It doesn't matter.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jan 10, 2018 7:38:48 GMT -5
I think it matters - Every work of art (or design) contains elements of autobiography, and that's often the aspect that's most interesting to me.
But in a lot of cases I think there's no way to tell. I'm sure the editors, art directors, and even writers had a hand in designing a bunch of the characters listed.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 10, 2018 10:55:03 GMT -5
For the purposes of this classic, it doesn't matter. Kurt wanted favorite designs not favorite designers.
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