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Post by sabongero on Jan 26, 2018 13:26:22 GMT -5
Hi guys. I have been reading a lot of the Brian Bendis and Frank Miller Daredevil runs. However, I am not familiar with the other Daredevil stories (particularly in the '60s, '70s, '80s, and '90s. What Daredevil stories did you guys like that you could provide some infos on. Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 14:33:13 GMT -5
I discussed my favorite run here: DD 353
Kesel & Nord - perfection IMO.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Jan 26, 2018 14:41:16 GMT -5
I've read a smattering of Silver Age stuff and it is all pretty simplistic. It's more about the artwork as the stories for me are rather simple. Really, its from the time Miller starts in issue #158 up until around #300 that is all decent readable stuff with good artwork. As for newer than that, I didn't mind what Kevin Smith did. He had some rather poor comics he did like Black Cat but his Daredevil was quite good IMO.
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Post by brutalis on Jan 26, 2018 14:46:06 GMT -5
Going to look beyond beyond the Miller classics. DD is one of those low end series which has lots of ups and downs. Depending on your tastes is if you will enjoy them. You have the very earliest issues: 1 by Lee/Everett and then 2-4 by Lee/Orlando and then 5 through 11 Lee/Wood and Lee/Romita 12-19 are all light and fun romps of the golden age variety. Gene the Dean Colan comes along with #20-49 and Stan and he create a fairly interesting run of stories setting the main tone and style for DD in the following years.
The gorgeous Colan art is the main draw though for the main years of ol' Hornead to me! But there are some good stories along the way. When Roy Thomas comes along that marks a turn in story towards more melodrama and soap opera(ish) contemporary storytelling from there on.
The Conway years are okay but I never really got into the stories all that much. Though I do like me some Man-Bull in issues 78 and 79.
Again further on I enjoy the Bob Brown art but the stories don't do much for me...
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Post by Rob Allen on Jan 26, 2018 16:25:50 GMT -5
The Wally Wood issues (#5-11) made a BIG impression on 7-year-old me. Daredevil was the first comic that I made sure to buy every issue.
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Post by String on Jan 26, 2018 18:40:06 GMT -5
I really enjoyed Denny O'Neil's run on the title, which started roughly around #194 to #226. His run is usually overlooked because it's sandwiched between the end of Miller's first run and the beginning of Born Again. But this period also has O'Neil teamed with a burgeoning David Mazzucchelli, whose style and art was just maturing and it's simply wonderful to witness his progression with each successive issue. The highlight is the Micah Synn saga, which includes #202, #204, #206, and #210-214.
I am also one of the few who apparently enjoyed D.G. Chichester's time on the title too. #297-300 is the Last Rites story with great art by Lee Weeks. It's a sequel of sorts to Born Again which I thought was very good, it altered Matt's relationship with Wilson Fisk and it contains a highly questionable moral action of Matt's that involved Typhoid Mary. I also liked the Fall from Grace storyline with art by Scott McDaniel (#319-325). Yes, Chichester brought back Elektra and gave us the infamous armored costume, but I actually appreciated this effort to bring change to the character (and frankly, some type of armor does make a form of sense). #321 also had one of the best 'gimmick' covers of the 90s which simulated DD's radar sense.
I liked portions of Ann Nocenti's run (a good deal of which has recently been released in Epic Collections). The intro of Typhoid Mary was definitely a highlight. Nocenti does tackle a variety of social issues within her run so your mileage may vary on that but art by Romita Jr was also a big selling point for me during this time as well.
Kevin Smith's limited run was okay (though I still don't agree with Karen's fate) but I liked David Mack's issues more so. Parts of a Hole (#9-11, #13-15 vol 2) was very good, with the intro of Echo.
And for the record, I don't like Bendis' run. I have tried to read portions of it but have only found it filled with his typical writing idiosyncrasies which I find highly annoying.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 26, 2018 18:41:41 GMT -5
I like the early issues of Daredevil very much, but it soon descends into fairly mediocre Silver Age fare. There's some good stuff in there, for sure, but it's hit and miss -- finally reaching an absolute nadir with the Godawful Mike Murdoch twin shenanigans. Those are some of the worst Silver Age Marvel I've ever read!
After that, the quality starts to pick up a bit again. The series is always uneven though, but there are some absolute gems in the late 60s. I also really dig the early 70s stuff when Black Widow is billed alongside Daredevil. Those issues make for fun reading.
Really though, when it comes to Daredevil, you just can't beat the Frank Miller stuff. That really is the best Daredevil has to offer IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 20:29:54 GMT -5
Most of my favorite Daredevil stories are from Frank Miller's and now recently I like the Mark Waid's more swashbuckling efforts and a bit more colorful and it's really shines in his efforts to focus on the nitty-gritty aspects of all the terrible things that happen to him. I also like the Daredevil BORN AGAIN story as well and I like this Frank Miller work here.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Jan 26, 2018 22:16:51 GMT -5
I really enjoyed Denny O'Neil's run on the title, which started roughly around #194 to #226. His run is usually overlooked because it's sandwiched between the end of Miller's first run and the beginning of Born Again. Agree. I am re-reading some of it currently as I picked up some issues recently from this stretch and it is well written a really well-drawn too!
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Post by spoon on Jan 27, 2018 6:50:47 GMT -5
Count me in as another person who likes Denny O'Neil's run. David Mazzuchelli is perfect pairing for the character.
I also agree that the first 11 issues are great. I don't really like John Romita's short run after that though. One might think that a great Spider-Man artist would fit well on Daredevil, but it wasn't the case in my opinion. Gene Colan long, first stint is rightfully classic. There an arc with the Jester I remember enjoying a lot. It's fun to see Colan paired with various inkers from Syd Shores to Tom Palmer.
Ann Nocenti's run gets political and the quality of the writing varies widely. When she has a really good idea and integrates it well into the story, there are some really good issues. When her writing is bad, it's really bad. Sometimes her political stories are ham-fisted: the opinions don't seem well thought-out or she doesn't come up with a way to make the political content serve the story.
I'm also a fan of Kesel/Nord run.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jan 27, 2018 11:27:15 GMT -5
I also agree that the first 11 issues are great. I don't really like John Romita's short run after that though. One might think that a great Spider-Man artist would fit well on Daredevil, but it wasn't the case in my opinion. Gene Colan long, first stint is rightfully classic. There an arc with the Jester I remember enjoying a lot. It's fun to see Colan paired with various inkers from Syd Shores to Tom Palmer. Romita's short run on Daredevil started before he took over Amazing Spider-Man. It was his first work at the new Marvel and his first superhero work since the mid 50s after years doing primarily romance comics and commercial art. Apparently the fans liked it because the sales on the title jumped and (according to Romita) it briefly had the highest sales to print of any book in the line (its print run was less than that of FF or Spider-man) and it landed him the Spider-Man job.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 11:44:41 GMT -5
When it comes to Daredevil everybody knows the classics, be it Miller/Janson, Miller/Mazzucchelli or Bendis/Maleev etc., and everybody has their own favorite Daredevil runs of which there are a lot of good ones - most mentioned above - but I think in recent times the Mark Waid stuff is definitely well worth a read and I think it is often underrated because of the Miller DD highs. There is some top notch storytelling in the Waid Daredevil that should be checked out by any DD fans.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 12:01:24 GMT -5
When it comes to Daredevil everybody knows the classics, be it Miller/Janson, Miller/Mazzucchelli or Bendis/Maleev etc., and everybody has their own favorite Daredevil runs of which there are a lot of good ones - most mentioned above - but I think in recent times the Mark Waid stuff is definitely well worth a read and I think it is often underrated because of the Miller DD highs. There is some top notch storytelling in the Waid Daredevil that should be checked out by any DD fans. Agree that Waid's run was one of the best in modern times.
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Post by String on Jan 27, 2018 12:53:56 GMT -5
When it comes to Daredevil everybody knows the classics, be it Miller/Janson, Miller/Mazzucchelli or Bendis/Maleev etc., and everybody has their own favorite Daredevil runs of which there are a lot of good ones - most mentioned above - but I think in recent times the Mark Waid stuff is definitely well worth a read and I think it is often underrated because of the Miller DD highs. There is some top notch storytelling in the Waid Daredevil that should be checked out by any DD fans. Agree that Waid's run was one of the best in modern times. Absolutely. Waid catches some flak for 'lightening up' Matt and for re-introducing prior elements of swashbuckling but frankly, the character needed it by then and it made for a refreshing change. Waid/Samnee have also become one of my top fav DD creative teams too (or even creative teams period)
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Post by lobsterjohnson on Jan 27, 2018 13:26:59 GMT -5
Miller's run is my favorite era of Daredevil. It made a big impression on me when I read it as a kid, and I still reread the whole run about once a year.
I really enjoyed the Waid/Samnee run too.
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