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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 19, 2018 17:08:49 GMT -5
I haven't read any Black Panther since the McGregor/Graham run and haven't read that in probably 20 years. So I wasn't being spoiled by them drawing from comics. The script just didn't seem to have any surprises.
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Post by Randle-El on Feb 25, 2018 2:05:33 GMT -5
Just saw the movie tonight and I loved it. I'd say it's easily in the upper echelons of the MCU... at least top 5, if not top 3 in my opinion. For me, a lot of the appeal was that it was probably the most socially conscious Marvel film to date, but without being preachy about it.
So here's a question that was bugging me after the movie. If Wakanda is this isolated nation that hoards all the vibranium in the world (to the point that they send out their people track down and retrieve vibranium that makes it out of Wakanda)... then where did Howard Stark get the vibranium for Cap's shield?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 25, 2018 15:17:35 GMT -5
Just saw the movie tonight and I loved it. I'd say it's easily in the upper echelons of the MCU... at least top 5, if not top 3 in my opinion. For me, a lot of the appeal was that it was probably the most socially conscious Marvel film to date, but without being preachy about it. So here's a question that was bugging me after the movie. If Wakanda is this isolated nation that hoards all the vibranium in the world (to the point that they send out their people track down and retrieve vibranium that makes it out of Wakanda)... then where did Howard Stark get the vibranium for Cap's shield? Maybe the people in charge in Wakanda at the time, while maintaining the isolation of their country, thought it could be worthwhile to provide a foreign brilliant and eccentric inventor with some of their precious metal, just in case he could do something cool with it. Or maybe there is vibranium elsewhere on Earth, but in much smaller amounts. If it came from an asteroid, say, the main chunk of it could be buried under Wakanda while small fragments of it were scattered over the globe. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 25, 2018 15:47:07 GMT -5
Just saw the movie tonight and I loved it. I'd say it's easily in the upper echelons of the MCU... at least top 5, if not top 3 in my opinion. For me, a lot of the appeal was that it was probably the most socially conscious Marvel film to date, but without being preachy about it. So here's a question that was bugging me after the movie. If Wakanda is this isolated nation that hoards all the vibranium in the world (to the point that they send out their people track down and retrieve vibranium that makes it out of Wakanda)... then where did Howard Stark get the vibranium for Cap's shield? Maybe the people in charge in Wakanda at the time, while maintaining the isolation of their country, thought it could be worthwhile to provide a foreign brilliant and eccentric inventor with some of their precious metal, just in case he could do something cool with it. Or maybe there is vibranium elsewhere on Earth, but in much smaller amounts. If it came from an asteroid, say, the main chunk of it could be buried under Wakanda while small fragments of it were scattered over the globe. Or maybe they came by it through nefarious means. Or maybe it was smelted down from something else, like the weapon that was at the British Museum. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 25, 2018 21:07:43 GMT -5
Maybe the people in charge in Wakanda at the time, while maintaining the isolation of their country, thought it could be worthwhile to provide a foreign brilliant and eccentric inventor with some of their precious metal, just in case he could do something cool with it. Or maybe there is vibranium elsewhere on Earth, but in much smaller amounts. If it came from an asteroid, say, the main chunk of it could be buried under Wakanda while small fragments of it were scattered over the globe. Or maybe they came by it through nefarious means. Or maybe it was smelted down from something else, like the weapon that was at the British Museum. That wouldn’t have happened with adamantium!!! |
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Post by Rob Allen on Feb 27, 2018 13:48:22 GMT -5
That wouldn’t have happened with adamantium!!! Does adamantium exist in the MCU? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 15:06:39 GMT -5
Not at the moment - it's all part of Fox-world, so it will be back with Marvel as part of the Disney takeover. Not sure if it's explicitly part of the IP package or they're just avoiding it because it's so tied to Wolverine
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Post by rberman on Feb 27, 2018 18:34:04 GMT -5
Not at the moment - it's all part of Fox-world, so it will be back with Marvel as part of the Disney takeover. Not sure if it's explicitly part of the IP package or they're just avoiding it because it's so tied to Wolverine Which is odd, because apparently Adamantium first debuted in Avengers #66, not an X-Man or Fantastic Four issue. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 3:55:43 GMT -5
Yep - pretty solidly in Avenger-lore around Ultron, well before it was ever in X-Men, though it never really became as absolutely integral as the whole Wolverine claws and skeleton stuff in X-Men
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 16:39:28 GMT -5
I couldn't get to sleep last night, and among the things I ended up thinking about were some elements of the Black Panther plot - these may be holes or might be me misremembering the film (which I've only seen once): {Spoiler} - Where did Klaw get his sonic arm gun from? I recollect it being described as Wakandan tech, but where would he have got Wakandan tech from, even if he had any Vibranium (which I'm not sure he did anyway, after Age of Ultron)?
- Why did Killmonger ever need to go to London & South Korea? Both of them made sense for Klaw, who wanted to steal and/or sell the Vibranium, but why didn't Killmonger just shoot Klaw and take him to Wakanda right away? I guess you can argue that it was intended to discredit T'Challa by him losing Klaw after capturing him, but (a)according to later in the film, Klaw was already wanted so KM would have got major kudos for bringing him back anyway and (b) that's a pretty tenuous and fallible bit of plotting that could have resulting in Klaw being taken straight back to Wakanda instead of being incarcerated, which would have left Killmonger with no leverage whatsoever
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 16, 2018 14:27:26 GMT -5
Saw it today.... fantastic. Sure, it was predictable, but the tech and costumers were great, and I loved the way the music blended into the story. I haven't read much of BP past the McGregor stuff, so I didn't really have any preconceptions... I did really like Killmonger, and Shuri, though clearly different from the comic, was quite fun.
Well deserved that this is doing so well.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Mar 18, 2018 14:17:50 GMT -5
Finally got around to seeing it today. Loved it.
Saw it with a former work buddy, and walking out of it, both of us agreed that we'd be perfectly fine with Marvel making an Okoye movie...
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 18, 2018 22:18:06 GMT -5
Finally got around to seeing it today. Loved it. Saw it with a former work buddy, and walking out of it, both of us agreed that we'd be perfectly fine with Marvel making an Okoye movie. I'd see that. I was thinking about it after the movie.. I think BP would almost be better if they made it it's own franchise, not in the MCU. I think all the tech that was so much fun kinda pales if you put it with everything else. I mean, Tony Stark and SHIELD have tech almost as good. If you throw in magical stuff, it's not so exciting. I want to see just a regular world and how it reacts to Wakanda's super tech. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 2, 2018 19:33:45 GMT -5
I finally saw the BP movie. I gave it a 7/10. Nice world that they built and very likable characters. I was surprised that they didn't tie it more to the MU.
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Post by String on Apr 6, 2018 16:25:19 GMT -5
I enjoyed this film, probably being in my top 5 of the franchise. It had the right blend of action, humor, and drama. The female cast were presented in a very positive, powerful manner from their choices to their responsibilities. I'm not the biggest fan of BP but the world of Wakanda as presented here felt and looked viable and highly engaging.
The social issues touched upon here were good without becoming overwhelming to the film (and let's be honest, I'm not expecting to go to a superhero comic film and see an in-depth dissertation on the European exploitation of African countries and it's people). But Jordan's motivations as Killmonger made him one of the more interesting villains in the MCU. I thought Sterling K Brown gave a strong performance as Eric's father.
And a big shout-out for Klaw. In his few appearances in the last couple of films, Andy Serkis has given a wonderful performance, full of menace and mania. He's become one of my favorite villains of the films.
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