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Post by BigPapaJoe on Feb 14, 2018 18:11:35 GMT -5
I saw this a couple of days ago. I think most people are going to like it. The acting from the entire cast was great. Especially Michael B. Jordan. To my surprise the film went a lot more on a social tangent than I thought it would. As a black American, I think this movie could potentially reignite some discussion about a socioeconomic issue that is prevalent in America. I don't really care for politics myself (I'm actually glad to be on the sidelines as an expat), but it's just an observation I noticed. This doesn't get in the way of the film just being a typical, exciting Marvel adventure though. This will probably be remembered near the top of what Marvel Studios has provided thus far instead of towards the lower end. Definitely better than their last release, Thor 3. I can't remember the last one they came out with that had as little comedy as this one did.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Feb 14, 2018 22:32:29 GMT -5
I definitely want to see it...I have not been floored by the trailers (some of the shots in the Wakanda wilderness seem too bright and CGI for me) but I am banking on a good story and great acting to make it all work  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 22:41:27 GMT -5
I think I am more hyped for this movie than I have been for any marvel movie (or any movie) since the first X-Men movie hit in 2000. I've been a Panther fan since the 70s and this just looks amazing on every level.
-M
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Post by tarkintino on Feb 15, 2018 6:32:34 GMT -5
I can't remember the last one they came out with that had as little comedy as this one did. Is it as serious as Captain America: The Winter Soldier? |
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Feb 17, 2018 8:49:17 GMT -5
I can't remember the last one they came out with that had as little comedy as this one did. Is it as serious as Captain America: The Winter Soldier? Pretty close I'd say so. Probably a couple more moments the audience is meant to chuckle at, but that's it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 10:01:57 GMT -5
I was surprised I didn't enjoy as much I thought I would. I did like that it was more serious than recent Marvel movies. I did like the underlying social issues that made you think. I liked the acting.
What I didn't like. The usual over reliance on CGI. The action sequences were blurry or too dark to follow at times. The pacing felt off. I found myself checking my watch.
It was a decent movie & I felt entertained. It just didn't "wow" me.
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Post by Dizzy D on Feb 17, 2018 16:08:48 GMT -5
Saw it this morning and enjoyed it a lot. Definitely more serious than most Marvel movies. It takes a lot from Christopher Priest's run, not much of Coates so far (but then again Coates run would not make sense for a first movie). M'Baku is far better than he ever was in the comics to me. Killmonger is among the better Marvel villains with an understandable motivation. Ross is not played for comic relief. Shuri: I'm loving her in the current comics, so kinda disappointed that she is very different from that, but I still enoyed her role.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 20:53:53 GMT -5
Saw it with my wife this afternoon and we both loved it. It drew from many different runs/perspectives of the Panther, but pretty much the narrative, tone and themes of the movie either had antecedents in the comics or were inspired/extrapolated from elements of the comics (I missed the Special Thanks line in the credits aside from based on the works of Lee/Kirby tagline at the very beginning of the credits, so I don't know who got acknowledged, but the Priest and Hudlin runs were very influential and elements of the McGregor/Graham stuff inspired some things too. Dizzy D Shuri's portrayal in the film hearkened back to her characterization in the Hudlin run where I believe she was introduced rather than the current version in the Coates run who has been through the wringer from assuming the mantle of Panther and being left for dead/in a coma after the Thanos invasion of Wakanda in Hickman's Infinity which is where the current run picked up with her, so we could see growth/development of the character in later MCU films to become more like the current version. -M |
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Post by rberman on Feb 19, 2018 10:15:25 GMT -5
Saw it with two teen boys who enjoyed it. I thought it was OK. The "What are THOSE!!!" joke is already not aging well. T'Challa is basically an African version of Captain America, noble to a fault, but without Cap's "fish out of water" pathos. What can you say about a supposedly advanced society which thinks that trial by combat is the best way to choose a leader? I thought the plot was going to be that T'Challa loses the trial then has to spend the movie rescuing his people from an evil ruler. They did eventually get to that plotline, but only at the end of the second act.
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Post by brutalis on Feb 19, 2018 10:52:04 GMT -5
Quite enjoyed the movie. They did a wonderful job of placing "most" of the Panther's history into context and making it recognizable and yet fresh. The trial by combat was very idiotic and would be understandable if it was merely ceremonial. Considering how much they want to establish Wakanda as being substantially more advanced and humane than the rest of the world to have a king usurped by a fight was barbaric.
Very good visualization of Wakanda and all of the Panther's toys and his Vibranium abilities built into the suit makes T'Challa a very strong opponent for nearly anyone. Klau and Killmonger were exceptional and Killmonger should have a bit more exploration once he became ruler rather than the quick go to war and have him stopped ending.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 14:33:09 GMT -5
I was surprised I didn't enjoy as much I thought I would. I did like that it was more serious than recent Marvel movies. I did like the underlying social issues that made you think. I liked the acting. What I didn't like. The usual over reliance on CGI. The action sequences were blurry or too dark to follow at times. The pacing felt off. I found myself checking my watch. It was a decent movie & I felt entertained. It just didn't "wow" me. Heading into it, I was already pretty nervous, as most of the trailers (except for the 2nd) had left me pretty cold. Like you, I felt the pacing was off - the first 90 minutes was really, really slow. It's quite different to most MCU films (which is a good thing) in that it's very politics-driven, rather than being good guy versus bad guy. There were some bits where the CGI was jarringly bad - the flying effects towards the start of the film, for example. I'm going to spoiler tag the rest I have no idea what Martin Freeman was doing in the film - there's no reason for him to be in Wakanda, no reason why he should be the heroic defender rather than some other character, and it felt like someone had just said "better get some white guy in there somewhere doing something heroic".
The film really didn't play out anything like the trailers - Klaw was killed off way earlier, and wasn't tied up with Killmonger as much as it appeared; and Killmonger wasn't in the film all that much either
All in all ... it was alright, I suppose, but to be honest I found a lot of it pretty dull. Not a car crash, by any means, so not a Justice League or a Suicide Squad or BvS (hmm, what's the theme there?) but another in a series of films that I've found pretty ho-hum at best (GotG2, Thor 3, JL, Wonder Woman, this) |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 19, 2018 15:05:01 GMT -5
Saw it yesterday with my youngest son. There was a lot to like about it. Visually stunning. The costuming was incredible. My biggest problem with it was that it was incredibly predictable. I'd largely avoided spoilers, but it was almost painfully obvious what was going to happen next from scene to scene. The only real surprise that I had was a potential problem that I thought would happen, but didn't actually occur.
I thought it was okay. Good middle-of-the-road Marvel movie. And I get why a lot of people are ga-ga over it and good for them. I just thought the screenplay was pretty pedestrian.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 15:54:00 GMT -5
To my surprise the film went a lot more on a social tangent than I thought it would. As a black American, I think this movie could potentially reignite some discussion about a socioeconomic issue that is prevalent in America. I don't really care for politics myself (I'm actually glad to be on the sidelines as an expat), but it's just an observation I noticed. This doesn't get in the way of the film just being a typical, exciting Marvel adventure though. I saw a clip of some American discussion about the film, and one of the participants described it as something along the lines of "the most significant black film ever", and I kind of get where he's coming from - it's a major blockbuster film with a predominantly black cast, where the cultural references are almost all positive, and where there's a significant political element to it. As a middle-aged white Brit, it doesn't have the same cultural resonance for me, but I can see why it's being described in those terms. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 15:58:32 GMT -5
My biggest problem with it was that it was incredibly predictable. I'd largely avoided spoilers, but it was almost painfully obvious what was going to happen next from scene to scene. I would agree, though I'm not sure how much of that is the screenplay, and how much is brought forward from the comics - there's certainly bits of Panther's Rage in there, and may be other stuff as well (I haven't read much BP since the McGregor days, so I wouldn't know) I'd agree with that - it really could have done with pulling out more of a wild card somewhere. Having said that, I think they did a pretty good job of misdirection with the trailers - if you went in expecting it to play out like the trailer content, you would have been majorly surprised. The only problem is that the trailers (at least the 2nd one) hinted at a more interesting film! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 16:06:02 GMT -5
My biggest problem with it was that it was incredibly predictable. I'd largely avoided spoilers, but it was almost painfully obvious what was going to happen next from scene to scene. I would agree, though I'm not sure how much of that is the screenplay, and how much is brought forward from the comics - there's certainly bits of Panther's Rage in there, and may be other stuff as well (I haven't read much BP since the McGregor days, so I wouldn't know) I'd agree with that - it really could have done with pulling out more of a wild card somewhere. Having said that, I think they did a pretty good job of misdirection with the trailers - if you went in expecting it to play out like the trailer content, you would have been majorly surprised. The only problem is that the trailers (at least the 2nd one) hinted at a more interesting film! Aside form Killmonger himself as the opponent, the films draw far more from the Christopher Priest and Reggie Hudlin runs of Panther for the look, feel and tone of the film, and some from the Stelfreeze designs for Wakanda and its inhabitants from the current Coates run. Everett Ross is a major supporting character from Priest's run, Shuri and Ramonnda were played up a lot in Hudlin's run, the look and function of Claw's arm from John Romita Jr.s designs in the Hudlin run, etc. It pretty much drew on elements of all the runs of Panther form the comics for its inspiration and cast of characters, but more heavily on the stuff from Priest and Hudlin to my eye. -M |
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