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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 21, 2018 12:57:13 GMT -5
Rumor has it that Jake Gyllenhaal will play Mysterio in the Spider-Man Homecoming sequel. I really love that they're using new villains for the new Spider-man movies. I thought The Vulture was one of the better realized villains in the MCU. |
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Post by Jesse on May 21, 2018 13:05:00 GMT -5
Fishbowl or GTFO!
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Post by Cei-U! on May 21, 2018 16:41:18 GMT -5
Preach it, brother!
Cei-U! I summon the SFX super-baddie!
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 17:02:18 GMT -5
Sounds Intriguing ... thanks for the information Slam!
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 22:28:09 GMT -5
Well they're in talks with Jake, but Keaton has already signed on to play the Vulture again and will be featured prominently in the sequel, so either they are doing the multiple villain thing again (which never works) or they are not confident they can get Jake to sign on and hedged their bets to make sure they have a villain who can carry the sequel.
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Post by Warmonger on May 22, 2018 15:25:26 GMT -5
Dammit
Still want to see Bruce Campbell play him.
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Post by spoon on May 22, 2018 21:32:25 GMT -5
Well they're in talks with Jake, but Keaton has already signed on to play the Vulture again and will be featured prominently in the sequel, so either they are doing the multiple villain thing again (which never works) or they are not confident they can get Jake to sign on and hedged their bets to make sure they have a villain who can carry the sequel. -M There's no chance they'd simply recycle the Vulture as the sole villain. It would be a retread that would generate zero interest. They'll want to move Keaton's character forward. IIRC he seemed to have a change of heart at the end. He might be forced to give up Spidey's identity in prison. Or he might end up as an ally. Or maybe a secondary villain. But they wouldn't totally tear up the script and do a different one with a different villain just because one possible choice for Mysterio didn't sign on. Roles are created and then actors are chosen for the role. I mean there are times that a role has to been recast at the eleventh hour because an actor becomes unavailable due to filming of another movie running long or illness/injury. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 21:47:54 GMT -5
Well they're in talks with Jake, but Keaton has already signed on to play the Vulture again and will be featured prominently in the sequel, so either they are doing the multiple villain thing again (which never works) or they are not confident they can get Jake to sign on and hedged their bets to make sure they have a villain who can carry the sequel. -M There's no chance they'd simply recycle the Vulture as the sole villain. It would be a retread that would generate zero interest. They'll want to move Keaton's character forward. IIRC he seemed to have a change of heart at the end. He might be forced to give up Spidey's identity in prison. Or he might end up as an ally. Or maybe a secondary villain. But they wouldn't totally tear up the script and do a different one with a different villain just because one possible choice for Mysterio didn't sign on. Roles are created and then actors are chosen for the role. I mean there are times that a role has to been recast at the eleventh hour because an actor becomes unavailable due to filming of another movie running long or illness/injury. You're assuming the screenplay is in its finished form. You usually cast from a draft of the screenplay and it is revised by the director to a shooting copy that adds or cuts pieces as the director sees fit, unless the director is just a hired gun yes man for the studio execs/exec producer. They are looking to cast some one (in this case Jake) to play Mysterio, but that doesn't mean Mysterio is the primary antagonist and doesn't mean the screenplay is locked in with him as the main villain. The screenplay is usually malleable until shooting actually begins. Or you do like Spider-Man 3 and tear up the first 3 or 4 scripts well into shooting and write the script the day of the shoot to accommodate villains castings and additions to make the studio heads happy and keep the movie moving forward. For many, Keaton carried the first movie and some felt without Keaton in a prominent role, the sequel might flounder, and the script was written to provide that role for Keaton and signing him was the top priority. Any additional villains in the script were supplementary to continuing the Vulture's story. If you are building the story around Keaton's character and the dynamic set up in the initial movie, and you have seen how poorly received multiple villain super-hero movies have been over the years, you proceed lightly and any secondary casting for villains is going to be second fiddle role to the main antagonist you have already signed on because he's the one you made the priority to sign to be at the movie's core. -M |
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Post by aquagoat on May 23, 2018 9:39:01 GMT -5
Mysterio is one villain I never thought would get onto the big screen. I just don't see how he'd make any sense. An ex-special effects man creating illusions?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 23, 2018 15:40:12 GMT -5
Mysterio is one villain I never thought would get onto the big screen. I just don't see how he'd make any sense. An ex-special effects man creating illusions? That makes far more sense than kid getting spider powers from magic...I mean science. |
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Post by aquagoat on May 24, 2018 18:33:35 GMT -5
Mysterio is one villain I never thought would get onto the big screen. I just don't see how he'd make any sense. An ex-special effects man creating illusions? That makes far more sense than kid getting spider powers from magic...I mean science. Let me rephrase. An ex-special effects man who has the time, knowledge, planning and immense budget ad resources to create huge illusions - all on his own. In the comic, for instance, Mysterio can create perfect robot duplicates of people, or monsters, he can create sets so convincing that Spidey thinks he's in another world, he can do illusions on a huge scale to fool the entire city - again, on his own. I just don't see how that is going to play out onscreen. And also, why would he bother? Mysterio is one of those classic Silver Age villains that is a lot of fun on the comic page but doesn't make a lot of sense in the real world. It's not just suspension of disbelief (like with Spidey), it's just as much that it's so impractical and illogical. Huge changes will have to be made so Mysterio works onscreen. |
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Post by BigPapaJoe on May 26, 2018 4:33:02 GMT -5
I wanted them to expand on the The Shocker. We only got to see a potential version of him in the first movie.
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Post by tarkintino on May 27, 2018 5:15:29 GMT -5
And also, why would he bother? Mysterio is one of those classic Silver Age villains that is a lot of fun on the comic page but doesn't make a lot of sense in the real world. It's not just suspension of disbelief (like with Spidey), it's just as much that it's so impractical and illogical Yeah, but that also applies to Vulture. In the 21st century, any winged thing--no matter the "technology" behind it--is such an ancient concept that has been passed by by real world flight applications, that it only works if the wings are "natural" part of the character's species. Outside of natural wings, its such an impractical, throwback idea, which is one of the reasons Spider-Man: Homecoming was a bore. The film was practically saying "well...we cannot use his greatest threat anymore, 'cause he was the villain in the 1st Raimi Spider-Man and had plot threads in its sequels...and he was the villain in the reboot's sequels...so...hmm...well, there's Vulture!" Marvel Studios/Disney should have brought the Netflix Punisher to the big screen, using a play on the reasons he was trying to kill Spider-Man in the comics (just substitute the Jackal plot for something not tied to comic stories not adapted in the MCU). That has the potential of a great sequel, and given the Punisher's life and world view, would mature the Spider-Man character, which is what should be happening after his debut film and experiences in Infinity War. But that's not happening, and we get Mysterio, who is one of the most...quaint kinds of early Silver Age characters that was never on the "villains that have to be on the big screen" lists. |
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Post by The Captain on May 27, 2018 15:47:43 GMT -5
I agree with the folks commenting that Mysterio seems just a little too far out there. Fun in the comics, hard to reproduce on the big screen. As I've been thinking about this matter, what about Kraven? Obviously, he wouldn't be the leopard-print wearing guy like the comics, but he could be turned into an ex-KGB assassin who has taken up killing for sport rather than money; you could get a slightly-older actor for the role (and I'm not good at fantasy casting, so if anyone else has suggestions, I'm all ears). He has killed all over the world, taken out all kinds of leaders and businessmen and whatnot, and he wants to go out with one last hurrah (maybe he is terminally ill), so he wants to take out a superhero as a final trophy. Now, he realizes he can't get Iron Man (metal suit), Captain America (mostly in hiding), Thor (being a god and all), or Hulk (giant green force of nature), but he sees this young-looking kid flitting around New York City in his pajamas and thinks that would be worthy prey. Kraven is a stalker, a hunter who keeps to the shadows and can track Spidey/Peter wherever and he finds his home, where he can use Peter's friends and family as bait to draw out his target for one last hunt. Could work, or maybe I've just wasted five minutes of my life typing complete nonsense.  |
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Post by aquagoat on May 27, 2018 16:14:41 GMT -5
And also, why would he bother? Mysterio is one of those classic Silver Age villains that is a lot of fun on the comic page but doesn't make a lot of sense in the real world. It's not just suspension of disbelief (like with Spidey), it's just as much that it's so impractical and illogical Yeah, but that also applies to Vulture. In the 21st century, any winged thing--no matter the "technology" behind it--is such an ancient concept that has been passed by by real world flight applications, that it only works if the wings are "natural" part of the character's species. Outside of natural wings, its such an impractical, throwback idea, which is one of the reasons Spider-Man: Homecoming was a bore. The film was practically saying "well...we cannot use his greatest threat anymore, 'cause he was the villain in the 1st Raimi Spider-Man and had plot threads in its sequels...and he was the villain in the reboot's sequels...so...hmm...well, there's Vulture!" There are people with flight suits in real life. They don't work the same way as the Vulture, but they're not that different. The Vulture isn't a huge jump from this. It's not hard to suspend disbelief.  |
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