Confessor
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Post by Confessor on May 23, 2018 14:07:12 GMT -5
I can't wait until you cover this ridiculous issue below. Reading it gave me YELLOW FEVER!  Jeez! That's not any kind of Batman that I'd wanna read about. That doesn't even seem like Batman...even the gritty, modern age Batman that Miller introduced with Dark Knight Returns and Year One. It's like an imposter has taken over. And what's up with that colouring? How was this crap so popular?  |
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Post by rberman on May 23, 2018 14:25:05 GMT -5
I can't wait until you cover this ridiculous issue below. Reading it gave me YELLOW FEVER! Jeez! That's not any kind of Batman that I'd wanna read about. That doesn't even seem like Batman...even the gritty, modern age Batman that Miller introduced with Dark Knight Returns and Year One. It's like an imposter has taken over. And what's up with that colouring? How was this crap so popular? I assume the yellow room is intended as protection against Green Lantern. |
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Post by sabongero on May 23, 2018 14:34:06 GMT -5
Jeez! That's not any kind of Batman that I'd wanna read about. That doesn't even seem like Batman...even the gritty, modern age Batman that Miller introduced with Dark Knight Returns and Year One. It's like an imposter has taken over. And what's up with that colouring? How was this crap so popular? I assume the yellow room is intended as protection against Green Lantern. Yup! And you notice my comments about this series gets more sarcastic as I post opinions on this. I'm thinking Miller did this on purpose. Batman was SO OUT OF CHARACTER and the dialogue and monologue was so horrendous, that you can't help but just watch this pile up of a highway car crash get bigger and bigger. Plus Jim Lee's art is fantastic. That's what sold the book at the time it was released... the Jim Lee art kept the book in the top sellers list. |
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Post by sabongero on May 23, 2018 14:37:28 GMT -5
This thread was just created 21 hours ago. And look at it go. Here at CCF you barely see a post or two in replies in a day, even if at that. And this one is running on all cylinders. All Star Batman and Robin after a decade still can have comic book readers inject their two cents worth, though not as venomous as in yesteryears comic book readers post about this car wreck of a series... except for the Jim Lee art!
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 14:38:13 GMT -5
A Golden (totally wacky) Batman -- this Comic Book Series is got to be the strangest series that DC Comics ever done!
I'm stopping at my LCS this Friday to pick up this craziness!
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Post by sabongero on May 23, 2018 14:45:48 GMT -5
A Golden (totally wacky) Batman -- this Comic Book Series is got to be the strangest series that DC Comics ever done! I'm stopping at my LCS this Friday to pick up this craziness! Man, I can't believe DC Editorial green lit this series. What the heck were these two guys ( Brandon Montclare and Bob Schreck) thinking? They were the editors for this series. I guess it was okay with them as long as each issue was a best-seller and was near the top of the sales charts for any comic book that was released that month, or in this series' case, that year. By the way the issue #1 came out on September 2005. And the final issue, which was issue #10 came out on August 2008. Talk about taking decompressed storytelling to another level. They decompressed the entire series to three years which was like three issues per year, and to top it all of, there was NO ENDING! |
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Post by Confessor on May 23, 2018 16:21:43 GMT -5
Jeez! That's not any kind of Batman that I'd wanna read about. That doesn't even seem like Batman...even the gritty, modern age Batman that Miller introduced with Dark Knight Returns and Year One. It's like an imposter has taken over. And what's up with that colouring? How was this crap so popular? I assume the yellow room is intended as protection against Green Lantern. Ah, OK....I'm not really a big DC reader, so I wouldn't have known about that. I thought it was just some kind of unimaginative colouring choice. Thanks for the info. |
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Post by sabongero on May 23, 2018 16:25:10 GMT -5
I assume the yellow room is intended as protection against Green Lantern. Ah, OK....I'm not really a big DC reader, so I wouldn't have known about that. I thought it was just some kind of unimaginative colouring choice. Thanks for the info. Prior to the Geoff Johns Green Lantern Rebirth limited series retcon regarding the "Yellow Impurity" in the Green Lantern mythology, all Green Lantern rings had no effect on anything that had the color yellow, and did not have an explanation for it, other than it is the weakness for the Green Lantern power ring. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on May 23, 2018 18:02:15 GMT -5
I assume the yellow room is intended as protection against Green Lantern. Yup! And you notice my comments about this series gets more sarcastic as I post opinions on this. I'm thinking Miller did this on purpose. Batman was SO OUT OF CHARACTER and the dialogue and monologue was so horrendous, that you can't help but just watch this pile up of a highway car crash get bigger and bigger. Plus Jim Lee's art is fantastic. That's what sold the book at the time it was released... the Jim Lee art kept the book in the top sellers list. I thought Jim Lee was the weak link. Lee had turned into a decent artist sometime around the year 2000 - before that I thought both his panel and page composition chops were weak, his stuff had too many lines, and a lot of it just looked like mush - but he vastly improved around the time he did Hush with Jeph Loeb. But he was an incredibly limited artist. He couldn't really do anything except for suspense and action. And All Star Batman wasn't comedy and it wasn't parody (as I've heard some people say) but it was incredibly -purposefully - over the top and definitely tongue in cheek. So they needed an artist who could draw funny, who had more expressive characters with a wider range of emotion, who had the comedic chops to understand set-up and pay-off. All Star Bats isn't a joke per se but it would have worked much better with with an artist like Stuart Immomen who can do one-panel-leads-to-the-next- style cartooning. And I maaaay be reaching here but I thought there was actually some depth to the way Miller talked about how abuse and trauma affects interpersonal relations - which would have required quite a bit of subtlety in facial expressions and body language to pull off the intended character dynamics. Jim Lee is as good at "subtle" as I am at giving birth. I really do think he's a decent to good superhero artist, and I quite enjoyed Hush and his recent Justice League run. But he was not the right artist for this book. He can draw "Superhero looks mad" "Superhero looks broody" "Superhero in motion" and "Superhero doing violence" but that is the total extent of his capabilities.. Anything that requires subtlety, emotional range beyond "YAAARG!", or comedy is beyond his skills. SIDENOTE: I've seen Jim Lee work in non-superhero genres - he did some dark suspense stuff for Vertigo - and it was much more nuanced and, frankly, quite a bit better than his straight capes 'n tights. I'm really only criticizing his superhero work. And All Star Bats was really rooted in crime noir more than superheroes - Miller's Bats feels much closer to a Mickey Spillane character than a JLA member, complete with running internal monologue - and Lee didn't seem to change his style AT ALL to match the change in tone... hell the change in genre. This isn't just Batman as Detective but this is Batman as detective story. I still kinda like All Star Bats. I'm all about novelty and it is - at least -different in tone and structure than any of the other 14,000,000 capes and tights books I've read. But it woulda been vastly more effective with a different artist. |
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Post by bdk91939 on May 23, 2018 19:13:17 GMT -5
For comedic purpose I would go with Frank Cho. A Frank Cho ASBAR would have been great even with all of Frank Miller's written over the top lunacy.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 20:32:42 GMT -5
A Golden (totally wacky) Batman -- this Comic Book Series is got to be the strangest series that DC Comics ever done! I'm stopping at my LCS this Friday to pick up this craziness! Man, I can't believe DC Editorial green lit this series. What the heck were these two guys ( Brandon Montclare and Bob Schreck) thinking? They were the editors for this series. I guess it was okay with them as long as each issue was a best-seller and was near the top of the sales charts for any comic book that was released that month, or in this series' case, that year. By the way the issue #1 came out on September 2005. And the final issue, which was issue #10 came out on August 2008. Talk about taking decompressed storytelling to another level. They decompressed the entire series to three years which was like three issues per year, and to top it all of, there was NO ENDING!I understand what you said to me ... but, I'm picking up old copies of this TEN issues and see it for myself! |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 20:36:43 GMT -5
Reread #1 for the first time since it was released.
Despite some issues with the writing, it was still pretty amusing. And I love Jim Lee's art.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 22:29:43 GMT -5
And issue one was pretty tame compared to later issues. I hope to review #2 in the next several days.
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Post by bdk91939 on May 24, 2018 2:18:24 GMT -5
And issue one was pretty tame compared to later issues. I hope to review #2 in the next several days. Way to go on creating this thread. This thread has created the most traffic of any thread so far this year in the CCF. ASBAR definitely generates opinion from comic book readers. Be it negative or... mostly negative. It's good that it doesn't deteriorate into a showdown, which will only happen if there is a die hard fanatic that would defend Frank Miller's work on this title. Otherwise, I can expect to read even more hilarity as CCF members comment about future issues on this series. If you think ASBAR #1 was ridiculous, wait until the Wonder Woman and Black Canary issues are reviewed and the CCF members talk about them. It's not going to be as venemous as old threads from ten years ago, but it will definitely have a howling bark. |
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Post by badwolf on May 24, 2018 9:51:49 GMT -5
I remember being entertained by this when I read the hardcover, but looking at the panels out of context it's hard to remember why.
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