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Post by rberman on May 25, 2018 22:31:48 GMT -5
Art Error:A clean shaven Bruce Wayne at the circus with Vicki: A few hours later as Batman with stubble: I guess the goddamned Batman grows 2 days of facial hair in 2 hrs.... It's symbolic, yo. Bruce is urbane by definition, whereas Batman is perpetually grizzled. Even his facial hair expands and retracts according to which identity he's wearing. |
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Post by bdk91939 on May 26, 2018 9:32:47 GMT -5
It's the goddamn stuble! If it's razor shatp he can ise the batarang to shave on the fly!
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 8:50:25 GMT -5
 #3. Dec 2005.The issue starts off "Six Months Ago...". We find Black Canary in full costume as a bartender in a bar called "The Black Canary". The bar is packed with men wanting to see this bartender. Over 5 pages we get told over & over how "hot" she is both in dialog & with the art with lingering butt shots, etc. One of the patrons puts his hand on her butt & she trashes him, the bar & other patrons. Page 8 is 4 panels. Here are the bar patron's comments. "Princess. Darlin. Hot Momma. Hot Momma. Hot Momma. Birdie. Pet. Sugar. Sweetie. Hon. Love Chunks. Sexy Baby. Barbie Baby. Sweet Cheeks". Page 9, 4 panels. "Birdie. Love Chunks. Sweet Cheeks. Babe. Love Chunks. Love Chunks". Pg 10. 3 panels. "Love Chunks". After 15 pages of this we get back to Batman & Dick in the Batmobile (WTH was the Batcave all the way across the country?). We get 4 pages of the same stuff we read last issue. We then get 2 pages of Clark Kent seeing the headline of Dick Grayson being "bat-napped" and in a really dumb scene Dick Grayson's face is on Clark's milk carton even though the caption says "15 hrs ago". That makes no sense. Thoughts: OK #1 & #2 were over the top but still entertaining. This issue only had Batman in it for 4 pages. The scenes with Superman were OK but again the timeline doesn't match up. How could Dick be on the milk carton before all this happened? Just lazy. And we are 3 issues in & they still haven't arrived in the Cave. Either the cave was hundreds of miles away or Batman is a really sloooow driver. And Black Canary. 15 pages of Love. Chunks. Who talks like this? It was just really stupid. BC in full costume as a bartender. Dumb. The dialog made me cringe. The art was full of gratuitous butt shots. At this point I was considering dropping the title but this was when the delays started & I forgot about it since it only appeared every few months. Below is some of the art from the BC scenes:  |
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Post by rberman on May 31, 2018 9:02:05 GMT -5
And Black Canary. 15 pages of Love. Chunks. Who talks like this? It was just really stupid. BC in full costume as a bartender. Dumb. The dialog made me cringe. The art was full of gratuitous butt shots. At this point I was considering dropping the title but this was when the delays started & I forgot about it since it only appeared every few months. I mean, Black Canary's costume does make more sense for a bartender than a crime fighter, though the cat mask is a bit outré. I thought it was dumb when Chris Claremont made doctoral student (and eventually doctor) Kitty Pryde a Coyote Ugly-style bartender as well, but at least we didn't have fifteen pages of it, and it was in her own book, not someone else's.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 9:23:09 GMT -5
I just got the complete set of this series of comics and the Black Canary part that just mentioned above is really out of whack and I find it totally out of place it's really startled me when they did this to her. She's as a Bartender and Full Costume is totally unacceptable and out of content of her character.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 9:32:55 GMT -5
This series was a trainwreck. Jim Lee's art was the only good part of the series. #3 was when the train derailed IMO. It seemed to get worse with each issue after that.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Jun 1, 2018 11:51:10 GMT -5
I mean, Black Canary's costume does make more sense for a bartender than a crime fighter, though the cat mask is a bit outré. That's pretty much the mask the original wore in her first appearances in the 1940s. |
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Post by The Cheat on Jun 1, 2018 14:21:18 GMT -5
Nice thread, I'd completely forgotten about this series. Loved it when it came out, just plain fun  |
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Post by sabongero on Jun 1, 2018 14:22:42 GMT -5
I am now thinking back about it, and without DC's editorial interference, perhaps Frank Miller finally let loose the insane idea he interpreted Batman to be, in his mind, with no restraints. Of course, Vicki Vale and Black Canary were illustrated by Jim Lee catering to their demographic of teenaged young men to get a boner. So far it is almost universally put down, in many places, and critically acclaimed... NOT! If Lee and Miller ever collaborated to finish this series with an ending, it will no doubt still be horribly written in regards to the general public's perception, and beautifully illustrated, and will SELL LIKE HOTCAKES!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 11:45:14 GMT -5
This series was a trainwreck. Jim Lee's art was the only good part of the series. #3 was when the train derailed IMO. It seemed to get worse with each issue after that. I just read #2 and felt it was already starting to go downhill there. Not that I loved #1 mind you, but #2 wasn't nearly as charming as #1. Can't wait to reread #3! (he said sarcastically.) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 10:14:01 GMT -5
I've just read the entire series and I'm really find this series of books one of the most insane books -- that's really caught me off-guard of the adventures of Batman and Robin that I've never, ever read before in my 50 plus reading Batman and Robin. This is so bizarre, insanity galore, so unusual, and yet quite imaginable to read -- but it's left my head shaking of the many things that I've read.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 7:36:05 GMT -5
 #4. Mar 2006.Finally Batman arrives at the cave. Even Miller is aware of his lazy writing as Dick's thoughts reveal he feels like he has been in the car "for days". We get lots of pages of Lee's depiction of the Bat Cave. Then Alfred calls Batman from the hospital to tell him Vicki is dying from her injuries. He tells Alfred to call Kent at the Daily Planet to have the "clown in Metropolis" fetch a doctor from Paris to take care of Vicki. We see Superman running across the Atlantic (guess he can't fly in this version). Batman's thoughts reveal he knows Superman's secret ID & that Batman thinks he is smarter than him. Batman then leaves Dick by himself in the cave (tired, cold, dirty, hungry). Batman implies Dick can eat the rats in the cave. Batman goes looking for information on the Grayson's murders. Later Dick wakes up in silk pajamas with a bacon cheeseburger & fries to eat. Batman grabs Alfred & yells at him. Alfred says the "boy will not be reduced to eating rats". Batman replies "I was". Alfred implies Batman chose to live that way & demands Batman "unhand me". Batman storms off.  Thoughts: With this issue I realized Miller didn't seem to care. Why? I don't know. The writing gets worse. Batman tells Dick to eat rats because he did. He continues to traumatize this boy even more. This Batman isn't a hero. He is as bad as the villains he fights. This issue was just terrible. It kept showing what a wretched person Miller's version of Batman was. I never read another thing Miller wrote after this series. Because if that what Miller thought a hero was I wasn't interested. The only good points: Jim Lee's art & Alfred standing up to Batman. |
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Post by rberman on Jun 7, 2018 8:18:28 GMT -5
Based on what you're showing us here, it appears that Miller's premise is, "Batman is not a hero." He's a Rorschach-type Randian vigilante. The kind of billionaire who dresses up like a bat so he can punch cutpurses all night, instead of leveraging his wealth and genius to fund neighborhood watches and community secure cameras, is not right in the head!
I do like the idea that Superman is not smart. Why should he be? He can be strong and invulnerable, but not overly bright. Not dumb as The Tick, but maybe more Colossus-level simple.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 8:26:16 GMT -5
Based on what you're showing us here, it appears that Miller's premise is, "Batman is not a hero." He's a Rorschach-type Randian vigilante. The kind of billionaire who dresses up like a bat so he can punch cutpurses all night, instead of leveraging his wealth and genius to fund neighborhood watches and community secure cameras, is not right in the head! I do like the idea that Superman is not smart. Why should he be? He can be strong and invulnerable, but not overly bright. Not dumb as The Tick, but maybe more Colossus-level simple. Wait until next issue when we get Miller's versions of Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern & Plastic Man. Not one of them is decent. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 7, 2018 19:07:30 GMT -5
For a while there I was pretty sure there couldn't be any Batman story as bad as The Widening Gyre. Now I'm not so sure.
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