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Post by EdoBosnar on Jul 7, 2018 13:22:37 GMT -5
Already posted on the RIP thread, but yeah, what a loss, and it kind of broke my heart a bit to learn that he died alone over a week ago and we're just learning about it now. Definitely one of the greats in comics, words escape me.
On something of a tangent, I have to say I always found the ending of the documentary by Ross a bit off-putting; he and Gaiman basically barged in on him even though he apparently told them in a phone conversation prior that he would prefer that they do not drop by, but was still a gracious host when they did, and then we the viewers are 'treated' to Ross and Gaiman gushing about it afterward.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 13:29:36 GMT -5
Addendum to my previous post-here is the current Kickstarter done by Ditko and Robin Snyder, it looks to be the 20th they did together. -M |
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Post by rom on Jul 7, 2018 14:16:04 GMT -5
He was a unique individual. I wonder if anyone ever really understood him. No wife or kids during his life. Believe me, he was better off without a wife & kids. They can really bring you down, and make you broke - I speak from experience. I will never feel bad for anyone that chooses not to settle down & have a family - that's their choice. And, I suspect that without a family, Ditko was able to devote his life to his work. Some may find this sad, but not me. Especially since I suspect he loved what he did, i.e. drawing comics. |
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Post by Duragizer on Jul 7, 2018 17:38:14 GMT -5
I have nothing but contempt for Objectivism and find it unfortunate that he embraced such a philosophy, but he was a masterful artist who created some of the best comic book characters of all time. R.I.P.
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Post by tarkintino on Jul 7, 2018 19:41:40 GMT -5
I have nothing but contempt for Objectivism and find it unfortunate that he embraced such a philosophy Agreed. Again, agreed. |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 8, 2018 4:39:58 GMT -5
Copying over what I wrote in the RIP thread...
Really sad to hear of Steve Ditko's passing, although 90's certainly not a bad age.
I first encountered Ditko's artwork in 1982, in Marvel Tales #142, which reprinted the classic Amazing Spider-Man #5. At that time, I primarily knew Spider-Man from the '60s TV cartoon, and, of course, I'd read the odd black & white UK reprint of Spidey comics from the '70s. But, reading ASM #5 back then was the moment when Spider-Man ascended to the #1 spot on my favourite superheros list, which is where he still resides today -- and clearly Ditko's artwork was instrumental in that. Of course, as well as co-creating Spider-Man, he also pretty much entirely created Doctor Strange too, who is another one of my favourite superheroes.
I love Ditko's tightly packed panels and brooding, claustrophobic art. His angry and ungainly version of Peter Parker resonated tremendously with me as I entered my teenage years and puberty, while the rogues gallery of villains that he and Stan Lee created is of such high quality that it is, arguably, unsurpassed in comics history.
He was a giant within the field and a hugely influential artist. This really is the passing of one of the all-time greats.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 8, 2018 17:21:23 GMT -5
He had made 90, but not at 91. Interesting all the projects with Robin Snyder, I guess a lot of people like me were pretty much oblivious to those existing.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 8, 2018 20:56:00 GMT -5
Snyder helped Ditko regain a lot of his stories for Charlton (other than the Action Hero ones), when the original stats and film were being sold off. Those have been the basis for reprints, which make up a lot of the projects. Snyder was an editor at Charlton, in the latter days and ended up being kind of an agent/publisher for Ditko. NPR's Glenn Weldon had his remembrances up...Thankfully, it made up for a rather poorly researched obit that someone else produced, on the NPR site (referred to Stan as an artist, not writer/editor and just really got a lot of stuff wrong or muddled). |
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Post by brutalis on Jul 9, 2018 8:10:43 GMT -5
Ditko the man, the myth, the legend will be sorely missed. For all of my life from childhood to my now growing cranky old man years there has ALWAYS been Ditko. Whether I wanted something philosophical, creative, artistic, fantastic, horrific, heroic or stories of any kind there loomed the shadow of Ditko across the pages filled with his ideas and concepts. His artwork is uniquely his own and inspired many. Thank you Steve Ditko for the many years of joy you gave me throughout my entire life....
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Post by rom on Jul 9, 2018 12:24:46 GMT -5
I first encountered Ditko's artwork in 1982, in Marvel Tales #142, which reprinted the classic Amazing Spider-Man #5. At that time, I primarily knew Spider-Man from the '60s TV cartoon, and, of course, I'd read the odd black & white UK reprint of Spidey comics from the '70s. But, reading ASM #5 back then was the moment when Spider-Man ascended to the #1 spot on my favourite superheros list, which is where he still resides today -- and clearly Ditko's artwork was instrumental in that. Of course, as well as co-creating Spider-Man, he also pretty much entirely created Doctor Strange too, who is another one of my favourite superheroes. I love Ditko's tightly packed panels and brooding, claustrophobic art. His angry and ungainly version of Peter Parker resonated tremendously with me as I entered my teenage years and puberty, while the rogues gallery of villains that he and Stan Lee created is of such high quality that it is, arguably, unsurpassed in comics history. I could have written a very similar post. Back in the early '80's, Collected Editions (i.e., Trades/HC's reprinting earlier comics) didn't exist to any great extent. So, as a kid at the time I never thought I'd be able to read these early Ditko/Lee SM issues. However, when Marvel Tales started unexpectedly collecting these circa 1982/1982, I was very pleasantly surprised. Here were all of these early SM issues reprinted, and I didn't have spend an arm & a leg on the original back issues (which I wouldn't have been able to afford, anyway). What a fantastic time to be a collector/comics fan. |
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Post by Batflunkie on Jul 9, 2018 13:24:22 GMT -5
I'll be the lone jack-off to say that I was never that big of a Ditko fan. But I do respect his contributions to the medium and I very much doubt two of my favorite "lovable loser" characters, Blue Devil and Speedball, would even around without him or his influence
I also don't get why Alan Moore is so drokkin' protective of Watchmen when it was more so just an updated rehash of Charlton characters. Can't he just be happy for once in his miserable existence? I mean dude, you won! You got your little "dreary fan fiction" in Time's most important novels of the 20th century and helped usher in a new era of more thought provoking comics along with Frank "I'm The Goddamned Batman" Miller
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 9, 2018 14:33:41 GMT -5
I also don't get why Alan Moore is so drokkin' protective of Watchmen when it was more so just an updated rehash of Charlton characters. Can't he just be happy for once in his miserable existence? I mean dude, you won! You got your little "dreary fan fiction" in Time's most important novels of the 20th century and helped usher in a new era of more thought provoking comics along with Frank "I'm The Goddamned Batman" Miller
What makes you think Moore is miserable? I've seen and read dozens of interviews with him. He seems perfectly happy. Given that Watchmen was initially conceived with the MLJ heroes and was then switched to the Charlton heroes and was then almost completely re-worked when they were not available the calling it fan fiction is probably inaccurate. But if it's not then I'm hard pressed to come up with any super-hero comic that isn't "fan fiction." As to why he might be upset. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that DC screwed him out of Watchmen reverting to he and Gibbons. I'm sure that has nothing at all to do with it. |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 9, 2018 14:37:10 GMT -5
I also don't get why Alan Moore is so drokkin' protective of Watchmen when it was more so just an updated rehash of Charlton characters. Can't he just be happy for once in his miserable existence?I'm guessing DC f***ing him over a barrel took the shine off of that though. I mean dude, you won! You got your little "dreary fan fiction" in Time's most important novels of the 20th century and helped usher in a new era of more thought provoking comics along with Frank "I'm The Goddamned Batman" Miller Dreary fan fiction? Watchmen?!  |
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Post by Batflunkie on Jul 9, 2018 17:46:59 GMT -5
I also don't get why Alan Moore is so drokkin' protective of Watchmen when it was more so just an updated rehash of Charlton characters. Can't he just be happy for once in his miserable existence?I'm guessing DC f***ing him over a barrel took the shine off of that though. I mean dude, you won! You got your little "dreary fan fiction" in Time's most important novels of the 20th century and helped usher in a new era of more thought provoking comics along with Frank "I'm The Goddamned Batman" Miller Dreary fan fiction? Watchmen?! Don't misunderstand me, Moore has every single right to be pissy, but he's not being "constructive" about it. I have the same problem with Pat Mills, he's just ranting for the sake of ranting. Like that whole thing with Moore going off on Johns for tainting "the sacred cow that is Watchmen"
I do think that Watchmen is incredibly important in a variety of ways, don't get me wrong, but I think Moore is too protective of his creations. This does not mean that I don't think he should be excluded from credit, I just want him to stop being such a bitter old man because he's constantly tainting my love for him
I grew up on his America's Best Comics and 1963 and now all he wants to do is "high concept porn" for Avatar press
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 9, 2018 17:53:34 GMT -5
I'm guessing DC f***ing him over a barrel took the shine off of that though. Dreary fan fiction? Watchmen?! Don't misunderstand me, Moore has every single right to be pissy, but he's not being "constructive" about it. I have the same problem with Pat Mills, he's just ranting for the sake of ranting. Like that whole thing with Moore going off on Johns for tainting "the sacred cow that is Watchmen"
I do think that Watchmen is incredibly important in a variety of ways, don't get me wrong, but I think Moore is too protective of his creations. This does not mean that I don't think he should be excluded from credit, I just want him to stop being such a bitter old man because he's constantly tainting my love for him
I grew up on his America's Best Comics and 1963 and now all he wants to do is "high concept porn" for Avatar press
But here's the thing...he's not going around ranting about anything for shits and giggles. If he's asked a question in an interview he answers it truthfully rather than dancing around the question for fear of offending someone. It's not as if he's going out of his way to trash Johns (though everyone should). If it weren't brought up by people giving interviews I dare say he'd have nothing to say about it. It's far less that Moore is bitter or pissy than the people interviewing him like to stir the shit because it will get clicks. |
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