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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 13, 2018 17:51:34 GMT -5
Ha, I was shocked at that number but who knows for sure?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 18:12:34 GMT -5
Ha, I was shocked at that number but who knows for sure? He was a frugal man and lives within in his means and only supported himself and having said that he managed that. This link here explains that in General and that's how he managed living in New York City. He invested wisely and always keeps abreast of his investments and all that. He wears modest clothing, ate within in his means, and did everything possible to live the lifestyle that he wanted. That how he managed it. We should all should do this and that how he did it. A remarkable man that did everything that he can to stay ahead. I've admired him for that. |
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 13, 2018 21:04:30 GMT -5
Sad that one of comics greatest talents is gone, but he had a good run at 90. I was always curious as to how Ditko supported himself and managed to live alone in the heart of NYC for so long, given the cost of living. From what I know he never sought anything from Marvel financially. Did he simply earn enough doing sporadic comic work and selling original art? Granted I know virtually nothing about his life outside of what I've cleaned from books on comic history and various articles. Very good question. Ditko was apparently very reclusive, especially towards the end of his life. Since he passed in NYC, I somehow suspect he was based there & probably even lived there for years - possibly since the 1960's. He must have made enough $ to support himself during all this time. Not having a family probably helped, since a wife & kids are expensive - especially if you have a wife who doesn't work. Maybe he had a rent-controlled apartment?! Back in the mid-1990's, I had graduated college & was thinking about trying to get a job in NYC - I thought it would be exciting to live there. However, after doing some research I realized there is no way in he@@ I could afford the cost of living there on my own, especially on an entry-level salary. Over the years, I have talked to people who have lived there - but typically they don't last that long, due to the extremely high costs. Personally, I don't know how anyone can afford to live there - without room-mates - unless you're a two-income family & are both making a great salary. I have been working and living in NYC for 30 years. By myself and with my wife. We do not make great salaries. But we live in Queens, not in Manhattan. We have fiends also of more modest means who live here. It can be done. Not everyone in New York is a millionare. I also think if Ditko had the same place since the 60s, his rent controlled rent must have been ridiculously good. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 14, 2018 5:44:11 GMT -5
That's a good point about the rent control. Rents in NY start at over 1000 , and thats for a studio. In the outer boroughs ( Brooklyn, Queens, Bronx, Staten Island) you'll probably pay 1500 and up for a one bedroom and forget about manhattan.
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Post by rom on Jul 14, 2018 23:41:57 GMT -5
We'll, you've been living there for 30 years and, as you said, you don't live in Manhattan. That makes a huge difference. Plus, you have two incomes. I'm talking about someone living there on just one income. I have some distant relatives who have lived in one of the NYC boroughs (possibly Staten Island) since the early '80's & they were not making a huge amount of $ either (they're now retired). However, they're been living in the area for over 30 years and bought a small house early on. And, there is no way they could afford that house now - given how much prices have gone up since they first purchased this. As far as Ditko was concerned, I didn't know that he was that wealthy - for some reason, I thought he didn't make much $ from the comics he drew, especially since this was years ago - and a lot of comic artists from that era didn't become rich. Especially since he wasn't drawing ASM (his most high-profile title) for that long. Obviously, there's a lot we don't know about him - given how private he was. Good for him, since he obviously wasn't narcissistic & didn't feel the need to go around drawing attention to himself - like some other comic book personalities out there.... <iframe width="22.319999999999936" height="5.640000000000015" style="position: absolute; width: 22.32px; height: 5.64px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 355px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_4921746" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="22.319999999999936" height="5.640000000000015" style="position: absolute; width: 22.32px; height: 5.64px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1058px; top: 355px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_72717270" scrolling="no"></iframe>
I have been working and living in NYC for 30 years. By myself and with my wife. We do not make great salaries. But we live in Queens, not in Manhattan. We have friends also of more modest means who live here. It can be done. Not everyone in New York is a millionaire. I also think if Ditko had the same place since the 60s, his rent controlled rent must have been ridiculously good. |
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Post by tarkintino on Jul 15, 2018 3:46:55 GMT -5
He was a unique individual. I wonder if anyone ever really understood him. No wife or kids during his life. Believe me, he was better off without a wife & kids. They can really bring you down, and make you broke - I speak from experience. I will never feel bad for anyone that chooses not to settle down & have a family - that's their choice. And, I suspect that without a family, Ditko was able to devote his life to his work. Some may find this sad, but not me. Especially since I suspect he loved what he did, i.e. drawing comics. Of course, yours should be seen as a purely subjective view about a wife and/or children. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 15, 2018 7:31:54 GMT -5
Believe me, he was better off without a wife & kids. They can really bring you down, and make you broke - I speak from experience. I will never feel bad for anyone that chooses not to settle down & have a family - that's their choice. And, I suspect that without a family, Ditko was able to devote his life to his work. Some may find this sad, but not me. Especially since I suspect he loved what he did, i.e. drawing comics. Of course, yours should be seen as a purely subjective view about a wife and/or children. Ha, I guess rom has had or has seen horror stories involving the married and family life. I can understand it given the 70% divorce rate. |
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 15, 2018 8:26:27 GMT -5
I wonder if he got any money from all the Spider-Man movies?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 8:48:55 GMT -5
I wonder if he got any money from all the Spider-Man movies? Conflicting stories about this. I am guessing he did if his net worth is even half what the internet lists it as. |
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 15, 2018 12:40:03 GMT -5
I looked into NYC once as a non-citizen and ended up in far Rockaway with a couple hours long commute or something. I understood some staff editors and even artists actually worked on the train heading to Manhattan out of necessity... if you saw a particularly badly inked comic panel that might've been a sudden curve!  This looks like Steve Ditko to me, but given that Milgrom could do a convincing Ditkoesque... can someone confirm this cover?  He did Daredevil #162 and Micronauts Annual #1 & 2 if I remember rightly. I also had all the Machine Mans by him from #10-19, I think there was a pause after the last Kirby issue and it was relaunched, and Captain Universe in Marvel Spotlight following Captain Marvel. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 13:28:41 GMT -5
I looked into NYC once as a non-citizen and ended up in far Rockaway with a couple hours long commute or something. I understood some staff editors and even artists actually worked on the train heading to Manhattan out of necessity... if you saw a particularly badly inked comic panel that might've been a sudden curve! This looks like Steve Ditko to me, but given that Milgrom could do a convincing Ditkoesque... can someone confirm this cover? He did Daredevil #162 and Micronauts Annual #1 & 2 if I remember rightly. I also had all the Machine Mans by him from #10-19, I think there was a pause after the last Kirby issue and it was relaunched, and Captain Universe in Marvel Spotlight following Captain Marvel. has it as a Ditko cover. -M |
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 15, 2018 20:15:34 GMT -5
I looked into NYC once as a non-citizen and ended up in far Rockaway with a couple hours long commute or something. I understood some staff editors and even artists actually worked on the train heading to Manhattan out of necessity... if you saw a particularly badly inked comic panel that might've been a sudden curve! This looks like Steve Ditko to me, but given that Milgrom could do a convincing Ditkoesque... can someone confirm this cover? He did Daredevil #162 and Micronauts Annual #1 & 2 if I remember rightly. I also had all the Machine Mans by him from #10-19, I think there was a pause after the last Kirby issue and it was relaunched, and Captain Universe in Marvel Spotlight following Captain Marvel. has it as a Ditko cover. -M That doesn't mean it is. In this case, though, I think GCD is right.
Cei-U! I summon the caution!
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 17, 2018 17:31:27 GMT -5
Could be Ditko inked by Milgrom.... that would throw me a bit! I just love the Black Knight on that cover for some reason, the horse mane and wings are cooly stylized. I broke my lackus fundus rule and got Machine Man #10-12 out of sheer enthusiasm, plus a Hulk crossover just before #10 which I think is also by Ditko (and a couple later Firelord appearances in Thor I learned of). Obviously there's something about these return to Marvels I like. As to why did he return to them then I have no idea. Looks like he did various fill-ins and covers, but not for Spider-Man or Dr. Strange.
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Post by hondobrode on Jul 17, 2018 17:49:18 GMT -5
Looking at that Black Knight figure cinches it : that's Ditko
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Post by Rob Allen on Jul 17, 2018 18:59:07 GMT -5
Could be Ditko inked by Milgrom.... that would throw me a bit! I just love the Black Knight on that cover for some reason, the horse mane and wings are cooly stylized. I broke my lackus fundus rule and got Machine Man #10-12 out of sheer enthusiasm, plus a Hulk crossover just before #10 which I think is also by Ditko (and a couple later Firelord appearances in Thor I learned of). Obviously there's something about these return to Marvels I like. As to why did he return to them then I have no idea. Looks like he did various fill-ins and covers, but not for Spider-Man or Dr. Strange. Somewhere in those latter-day Ditko stories for Marvel there's a crowd scene with dozens of superheroes. Spider-Man and Dr. Strange are there, but Ditko didn't draw them. He drew all the others, and may have left room for someone else (the inker?) to put them in, but he absolutely refused to draw them again. |
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