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Post by badwolf on Jul 18, 2018 10:58:37 GMT -5
I enjoyed the Nightcrawler miniseries at the time. It is cutesy and ties in with "Kitty's Fairy Tale."
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Post by String on Jul 18, 2018 11:09:23 GMT -5
It may sound strange but I always associate Cockrum more with the X-Men than I do with the LSH. For some reason, I've read very little of his work on the Legion while part of my earliest exposure to X-Men was during his second run on the title, around #150. In general, I love his art and designs but I've always had a problem with how he depicted Cyclop's visor especially early on in his first X-run. It looks too bulky to me:  |
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Post by rberman on Jul 18, 2018 12:17:47 GMT -5
In general, I love his art and designs but I've always had a problem with how he depicted Cyclop's visor especially early on in his first X-run. It looks too bulky to me: The in-story justification was that Scott’s power had suddenly increased, so he needed a bulkier visor to hold it in. Other than that change, he kept the same costume for quite a few years. |
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Post by hondobrode on Jul 18, 2018 12:28:21 GMT -5
Actually it's Cockrum bulkier visor that I prefer.
I love the look of it. Always seemed like it was bulkier as more lenses and surface area to better concentrate and contain his massive optic blasts.
I much more think of Cockrum as an X-Men artist. Don't think he gets the recognition he deserves with LSH or Futurians.
He's also one of my favorite 70's Marvel cover artists.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 18, 2018 12:51:27 GMT -5
In general, I love his art and designs but I've always had a problem with how he depicted Cyclop's visor especially early on in his first X-run. It looks too bulky to me: The in-story justification was that Scott’s power had suddenly increased, so he needed a bulkier visor to hold it in. Other than that change, he kept the same costume for quite a few years. Other than he gave Scott more flamboyant buccaneer boots, with a greater sweep to the folded part. The older Scott's was more like Captain Marvel; very stiff and fitting closer to the calf. He also gave Scott Captain America's build, when he used to be "Slim" Summers. That stuck, until Paul Smith got him off the steroids. |
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 18, 2018 13:30:06 GMT -5
I enjoyed the Nightcrawler miniseries at the time. It is cutesy and ties in with "Kitty's Fairy Tale." Thanks for that. I'm thinking it just wouldn't be for me, and lots of comics aren't and that's okay, and those who do like them are not wrong.  |
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 18, 2018 13:34:18 GMT -5
He did so many classic covers it's true. The Aurora art and comics should be collected up by someone!
I didn't like Cockrum's Banshee much, based of course on the #28 and on caricature. John Byrne really fixed him and made him someone you could see Moira having a relationship with.
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Post by Rob Allen on Jul 18, 2018 13:52:39 GMT -5
A historical tidbit: Dave would have stayed at DC drawing the Legion and a proposed Captain Marvel Jr. series, but DC management was short-sighted. In Superboy #200, Bouncing Boy and Duo Damsel were married. Dave asked for the original art of the 2-page wedding scene back, but DC wouldn't give it to him. The result - Dave took his talents and some character designs to Marvel, and the Legion job went to Mike Grell. Lots of things would have turned out differently if they'd just given him the pages.
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Post by hondobrode on Jul 18, 2018 14:24:48 GMT -5
Wow !
Thanks for sharing Rob
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 18, 2018 16:41:54 GMT -5
Lots of things in comics would have been different if editors and publishers had just done the humane thing. All Kirby wanted was stability and health care, to take care of his family. Making him the art director at Marvel would have kept him there and Thor might have launched the New Gods. Imagine the 4th World at the company that (at the time) let Kirby do what he did best?
If Martin Goodman hadn't reneged on promises about sharing in merchandise, might Ditko have stayed on Spider-Man? Possibly, though the political divide with Stan might have still killed it.
Had Mike Friedrich accepted the comic story about an aardvark barbarian, might he have been the publisher of Cerebus and might Star*Reach have kept going?
Had DC stood behind their word on Watchmen, might Alan Moore still be producing stories for them? Well, that might still be a longshot.
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Post by Rob Allen on Jul 18, 2018 17:54:19 GMT -5
Didn't Kirby decline the offer of the Art Director job? Everything he did for Marvel after he and Joe left in 1941 was freelance, including the editing he did in the 70s. Sounds like he didn't want a staff job.
One of my favorite speculations is - what if instead of going to DC, Jack went with Sol Brodsky and did the Fourth World at Skywald?
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Post by hondobrode on Jul 18, 2018 17:57:39 GMT -5
Interesting speculation there Rob
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 18, 2018 19:05:33 GMT -5
Didn't Kirby decline the offer of the Art Director job? Everything he did for Marvel after he and Joe left in 1941 was freelance, including the editing he did in the 70s. Sounds like he didn't want a staff job. Or maybe since Martin Goodman fired Jack back when he *did* have the Art Director title (for reasons that had nothing to do with his job performance and everything to do with Goodman's desire to screw Simon & Kirby out of their contractual share of the profits from Captain America), he would've been wary of any offer involving that position.
Cei-U! I summon the alternate theory!
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Post by berkley on Jul 18, 2018 21:50:54 GMT -5
Didn't Kirby decline the offer of the Art Director job? Everything he did for Marvel after he and Joe left in 1941 was freelance, including the editing he did in the 70s. Sounds like he didn't want a staff job. One of my favorite speculations is - what if instead of going to DC, Jack went with Sol Brodsky and did the Fourth World at Skywald? I would love it if Kirby had been somehow able to do his big 70s epics, Fourth World and the Eternals without having to tie them to the pre-existing DC and Marvel superhero universes.
Of course, there's no guarantee it would have lasted any longer or been less subject to editorial interference, but at least I'd be spared seeing those characters and concepts stuck in the DCU and MU, respectively. And I think it's possible there'd be a better chance that, if any new creator decided to work with them today, they'd be doing it because they had some genuine feeling for those concepts, not because DC or Marvel editors handed them an assignment or because they think Darkseid is a good Superman villain.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 18, 2018 22:11:15 GMT -5
I thought that the fourth world stuff fit nicely in with the limited Dc characters they used. The only exception was forcing Deadman into a few issues of Forever people.
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