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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 17:35:00 GMT -5
c I would've thought a Daredevil fan would enjoy a Daredevil novel... Evidently so did Wizard, which is why they created a 1/2 edition like this, but I prefer my comic books to be what a comic book is supposed to look like between the covers. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 17:38:24 GMT -5
I love Tarantino, not sure if I've ever read a Bendis comic though To paraphrase an old joke about the Kennedys (pre-assassination): Question: If Tarantino & Bendis were both on a sinking ship & only one could be rescued, who would be saved? Answer: The public. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Oct 1, 2014 18:19:32 GMT -5
I just read McGregor's Black Panther for the first time, and it's not just strangulatingly wordy, it manages to be strangulatingly wordy without giving the characters much definition or advancing the plot in any noticeable way. I think he might be going for poetry style aesthetic beauty in his writing.... Too bad that he's nowhere near good enough to pull it off. Claremont might be wordy, but he's always telling you more about the characters point of view and the way they relate to the world... He's not just writing because he likes the comforting clacking sound his keyboard makes. Conversely, though, he's a really good VISUAL writer. McGregor was really the only writer of his generation who seemed familiar with Eisner-style formal design... I mean LOOK at this stuff.  This is a strange page design but it communicates the sense of vertiginous motion perfectly. (Also notice the mastrubatory prose that adds nothing to the story. ) Worth pointing out: The back material in the Black Panther archives - and there is a lot of it, it's a beautiful book - indicates that - while generally the artist did most of the design work in Marvel books of this period - a lot of this design fetishism (in a good way!) did come from Don McGregor's plots. He really was thinking of new and interesting ways to lay-out stories and present information. But it was nice to see Kirby take over and to see the writing vastly improve, though. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 19:12:25 GMT -5
But it was nice to see Kirby take over and to see the writing vastly improve, though. A desperate cry for help if I've ever seen one. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 19:40:25 GMT -5
Gotta be Jungle action issue 1 . 3 stories Lorna queen of the Jungle Tharn the magnificent and Jann of the Jungle . A bloody novel .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 0:58:24 GMT -5
I love Tarantino, not sure if I've ever read a Bendis comic though How do you guys feel about the upcoming Django/Zorro crossover? It's co-written by Tarantino and Matt Wagner. I think it's going to be fantastic.
Tarantino is also a big Wagner fan, so I have high hopes for him bringing Devil by the Deed to the big screen.
I doubt I'll read it. I rarely read a licensed comic, and even though Tarantino is involved, he's not a comic writer, I still consider it a licensed comic. It's by Dynamite too, isn't it? I read one of their Sherlock Holmes trades and didn't hate it, but it's not the kind of thing I'll buy fresh off the stands for full price. If the Tarantino comic gets good reviews I may check it out later. For sure the trade will go on my paperbackswap wish list, but I may never get it. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 2, 2014 4:05:22 GMT -5
Most Verbose? Anything that Claremont has written. Boy, if I read " no quarter asked, none given" one more time...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 4:28:23 GMT -5
Charles Crumb's comics began pretty normal, then the dialogue got heavier and heavier until the characters couldn't fit on the page anymore (link due to large image) ghostlypineapples.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/r6.jpgThen he went insane and spent the rest of his life scribbling in notebooks  And it was really scribble too  It's really a sad story, but somewhere between normal comic and SE7EN journals, there's probably the most verbose sequential art possible. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 2, 2014 5:30:51 GMT -5
I didn't know that. It's pretty chilling. I understand that Wally Wood and Steve Rude also suffered/suffer from depression.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 8:24:17 GMT -5
Steve, from what I've read, is bipolar (which of course definitely includes depression). So, evidently, was Alex Toth.
(So am I, as I've noted before, but only very mildly ... at least as long as you don't ignore my concerns & give me Prozac not counterbalanced with anything else, as happened in North Little Rock in 11/00. Oops. Maybe the "very mildly" part is why I'm not an artistic genius like those guys, though I suppose complete lack of talent could play a part in that as well.)
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Post by fanboystranger on Oct 2, 2014 9:12:22 GMT -5
I didn't know that. It's pretty chilling. I understand that Wally Wood and Steve Rude also suffered/suffer from depression. There was a planned documentary about Steve Rude's battle with his bipolar disorder called Rude. I've seen the trailer, but I don't know if it was ever released. There's some chilling stuff in the trailer. |
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Post by fanboystranger on Oct 2, 2014 9:16:15 GMT -5
How do you guys feel about the upcoming Django/Zorro crossover? It's co-written by Tarantino and Matt Wagner. I think it's going to be fantastic.
Tarantino is also a big Wagner fan, so I have high hopes for him bringing Devil by the Deed to the big screen.
I doubt I'll read it. I rarely read a licensed comic, and even though Tarantino is involved, he's not a comic writer, I still consider it a licensed comic. It's by Dynamite too, isn't it? I read one of their Sherlock Holmes trades and didn't hate it, but it's not the kind of thing I'll buy fresh off the stands for full price. If the Tarantino comic gets good reviews I may check it out later. For sure the trade will go on my paperbackswap wish list, but I may never get it. I feel that Matt Wagner is the more significant part of the equation. He knows how to do a great intercompany crossover, as witnessed by the first Batman/Grendel. The first issue of Grendel vs The Shadow was excellent, and all his Zorro work was very strong, especially the first volume with Francavilla art. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Oct 2, 2014 9:34:56 GMT -5
c I would've thought a Daredevil fan would enjoy a Daredevil novel... Evidently so did Wizard, which is why they created a 1/2 edition like this, but I prefer my comic books to be what a comic book is supposed to look like between the covers. I would agree with that, because the only other example I can think that might be what that 1/2 Daredevil issue might be like is Aliens: Tribes. And while the story was good, the lack of Dave Dorman art, if it had been a standard comic book, detracted from the enjoyment of it. Steve Bisette's a good writer, but it would have been a good novel. Either a comic, or a novel, but the mixture in between just was too little of either man's work.  |
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Post by Paradox on Oct 2, 2014 9:38:48 GMT -5
I never understood people's problem with "verbose". But then, I don't agree with "show, don't tell", either. It's about WHAT'S written, not how much. Show what you can show and tell me about what you can't show. Or, even better, show me something and tell me about something completely different.  |
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Post by fanboystranger on Oct 2, 2014 12:03:04 GMT -5
I just read McGregor's Black Panther for the first time, and it's not just strangulatingly wordy, it manages to be strangulatingly wordy without giving the characters much definition or advancing the plot in any noticeable way. I think he might be going for poetry style aesthetic beauty in his writing.... Too bad that he's nowhere near good enough to pull it off. Claremont might be wordy, but he's always telling you more about the characters point of view and the way they relate to the world... He's not just writing because he likes the comforting clacking sound his keyboard makes. Conversely, though, he's a really good VISUAL writer. McGregor was really the only writer of his generation who seemed familiar with Eisner-style formal design... I mean LOOK at this stuff. This is a strange page design but it communicates the sense of vertiginous motion perfectly. (Also notice the mastrubatory prose that adds nothing to the story. ) Worth pointing out: The back material in the Black Panther archives - and there is a lot of it, it's a beautiful book - indicates that - while generally the artist did most of the design work in Marvel books of this period - a lot of this design fetishism (in a good way!) did come from Don McGregor's plots. He really was thinking of new and interesting ways to lay-out stories and present information. But it was nice to see Kirby take over and to see the writing vastly improve, though. Don and Billy Graham were good friends going back before either of them had entered comics. They were even roommates for a time. They would work on the plots, scripts, and design of the book together. (McGregor worked similarly with P Craig Russell on Killraven.)
Billy Graham, in my opinion, is one of comics great underappreciated artists-- he was doing design stuff that was very much against the tide of the mainstream at the time, but comparable with what people like Simonson and Chaykin were doing on their DC books to more fanfare. These efforts would flower in a few more years when artists like Paul Gulacy and Frank Miller would become popular, but Billy never got his due as being one of the post-Steranko forerunners of heavily designed storytelling.
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I would've thought a Daredevil fan would enjoy a Daredevil novel...
