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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 15:23:01 GMT -5
I'm a great fan of McGregor's ouvre from the 70s (and Repti, so say Black Panther got better with Kirby?! <Walks off shaking head sadly>), however he's virtually a mime artist compared to some of Ditko's writing: I'm surprised no-one has mentioned Mr A already:  Talking heads crushed in their own panels, characters reduced to far distance stick insects to fit all the wordifying in. I love Ditko's art, but his writing.... eek! |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Oct 20, 2014 15:46:43 GMT -5
Gotta be Jungle action issue 1 . 3 stories Lorna queen of the Jungle Tharn the magnificent and Jann of the Jungle . A bloody novel . Those were reprints of '50s TimelyMarvelAtlas comics, and that was basically the style of the time - Comics as illustrated pulps. I'm not arguing it was a GOOD thing - I'd enjoy the EC's a lot more if we could see more bigger art and less wall of text... but those weren't uncommonly wordy for the time. Damn shame they didn't reprint Leopad Girl, though.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 16:32:47 GMT -5
I'm a great fan of McGregor's ouvre from the 70s (and Repti, so say Black Panther got better with Kirby?! <Walks off shaking head sadly>), however he's virtually a mime artist compared to some of Ditko's writing: I'm surprised no-one has mentioned Mr A already: Talking heads crushed in their own panels, characters reduced to far distance stick insects to fit all the wordifying in. I love Ditko's art, but his writing.... eek! Good lord. Who's the worst writer -- Kirby or Ditko? Both were/are abominable. |
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Post by Crimebuster on Oct 20, 2014 16:58:10 GMT -5
Kirby is a way better writer in my book than Ditko. Kirby had some weird peccadilloes when it came to dialogue, but at least he was trying to tell a story. By the time Ditko was doing Mr. A, he was just trying to promote his crazy moral creed. I don't see any real interest in story in any of his later so-called "stories."
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 20, 2014 17:26:03 GMT -5
Kirby is a way better writer in my book than Ditko. Kirby had some weird peccadilloes when it came to dialogue, but at least he was trying to tell a story. By the time Ditko was doing Mr. A, he was just trying to promote his crazy moral creed. I don't see any real interest in story in any of his later so-called "stories." Agreed. I'm not a fan of Kirby as a scripter. But damn...most of Ditko's stuff in the last 30 years is utterly unreadable. I don't need a Randian screed on every page. |
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Post by benday-dot on Oct 20, 2014 20:58:35 GMT -5
I still buy some of those Ditko Robin Snyder publications/packages. But it is only because I still like Ditko's design sense, and his idiosyncratic art in general (although his self-published stuff pales in comparison to his glory years.) But yeah I have never attempted to actually read the damn things. That would be too painful and nauseating.
Slam is right they are unreadable. I'm very much on record as liking Kirby's scripting, preferring it actually to Stan Lee's much more earnest tone. But whether or not you can handle Kirby dialogue, at least, as Scott says, he has a story to tell. To read objectivist Ditko is to swallow a razor blade infused verbiage.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 15:02:39 GMT -5
I've been on record many times about how awful a writer Kirby is, but Ditko's regurgitation of Ayn Rand's demented ravings barely even counts as writing; all the characters are (I was going to say cardboard, but I don't think they have that much depth; let's go instead with) tissue-paper thin props to support the weight of cut & pasted slabs of Atlas Shrugged.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 15:57:29 GMT -5
If the above page is any example ... yeah. Kirby's writing (as opposed to his plotting) is like chewing tinfoil; Ditko's appears to be, I'm sorry to say, ripped straight from a mental cesspool (& not even his own, but rather Ayn Rand's; my god).
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