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Post by foxley on Apr 16, 2024 2:57:32 GMT -5
Urban kept his helmet on for the entire movie. Stallone did not. Therefore Stallone is not Dredd.
*drops mic*
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Post by driver1980 on Apr 16, 2024 6:04:30 GMT -5
Urban kept his helmet on for the entire movie. Stallone did not. Therefore Stallone is not Dredd. *drops mic* A major mistake, eh? A friend once told me that the reasoning was Hollywood wanting Stallone’s face to be seen. If that is true, it shows how pathetic bean counters are. We knew it was Stallone. We knew he was playing Dredd. Did they think ticket sales would be affected if he kept the helmet on? If it is true, the disconnect between bean counters and moviegoers is a big one. I’d be surprised if he wore the helmet for 15-20 minutes, and the film is 96 minutes long. I wanted a Dredd movie, not a sequel to Demolition Man. |
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Post by tonebone on Apr 16, 2024 8:37:51 GMT -5
Urban kept his helmet on for the entire movie. Stallone did not. Therefore Stallone is not Dredd. *drops mic* A major mistake, eh? A friend once told me that the reasoning was Hollywood wanting Stallone’s face to be seen. If that is true, it shows how pathetic bean counters are. We knew it was Stallone. We knew he was playing Dredd. Did they think ticket sales would be affected if he kept the helmet on? If it is true, the disconnect between bean counters and moviegoers is a big one. I’d be surprised if he wore the helmet for 15-20 minutes, and the film is 96 minutes long. I wanted a Dredd movie, not a sequel to Demolition Man. This assumes that Stallone was not the one who wanted his face to be shown. |
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Post by Batflunkie on Apr 16, 2024 9:28:46 GMT -5
I wanted a Dredd movie, not a sequel to Demolition Man. I'm still under the delusion that the scripts for Demolition Man and Judge Dredd were switched at some point. Also, isn't it a bit odd that Rob Schneider is in both of those pictures? |
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Post by foxley on Apr 16, 2024 9:47:49 GMT -5
A major mistake, eh? A friend once told me that the reasoning was Hollywood wanting Stallone’s face to be seen. If that is true, it shows how pathetic bean counters are. We knew it was Stallone. We knew he was playing Dredd. Did they think ticket sales would be affected if he kept the helmet on? If it is true, the disconnect between bean counters and moviegoers is a big one. I’d be surprised if he wore the helmet for 15-20 minutes, and the film is 96 minutes long. I wanted a Dredd movie, not a sequel to Demolition Man. This assumes that Stallone was not the one who wanted his face to be shown. I have always understood that studio execs believed that American audiences did not know who Judge Dredd was but did know Stallone, and would want to see Stallone. Which makes me wonder why they bothered making a Judge Dredd movie at all. |
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Post by dbutler69 on Apr 16, 2024 15:52:08 GMT -5
This assumes that Stallone was not the one who wanted his face to be shown. I have always understood that studio execs believed that American audiences did not know who Judge Dredd was but did know Stallone, and would want to see Stallone. Which makes me wonder why they bothered making a Judge Dredd movie at all. That sounds about right. Movie studio execs are that stupid. |
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Post by driver1980 on Apr 16, 2024 16:00:33 GMT -5
So, ignorance and bean-counting brainlessness trumped creativity? What a world, eh?
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Post by kirby101 on Apr 16, 2024 16:22:27 GMT -5
So, ignorance and bean-counting brainlessness trumped creativity? What a world, eh? Good thing that has never happened in comics.  |
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Post by driver1980 on Apr 16, 2024 16:28:32 GMT -5
So, ignorance and bean-counting brainlessness trumped creativity? What a world, eh? Good thing that has never happened in comics. It happens everywhere, eh? |
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Post by rberman on Apr 16, 2024 16:43:45 GMT -5
Urban kept his helmet on for the entire movie. Stallone did not. Therefore Stallone is not Dredd. *drops mic* A major mistake, eh? A friend once told me that the reasoning was Hollywood wanting Stallone’s face to be seen. If that is true, it shows how pathetic bean counters are. We knew it was Stallone. We knew he was playing Dredd. Did they think ticket sales would be affected if he kept the helmet on? If it is true, the disconnect between bean counters and moviegoers is a big one. I’d be surprised if he wore the helmet for 15-20 minutes, and the film is 96 minutes long. I wanted a Dredd movie, not a sequel to Demolition Man. Makes sense though. The number of Americans who wanted to see “Stallone in a movie” far outstripped the number who wanted to see “Judge Dredd in a movie.” The face sells tickets, which pays for the movie. In theory, anyway. So the number of movies which deliberately hide the star’s face is comparatively small. |
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Post by driver1980 on Apr 16, 2024 16:51:45 GMT -5
I feel we should be able to credit people with intelligence. It’s hardly a secret when someone is behind a mask or under a helmet. I wish that Hollywood would have had more faith in people.
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Post by MRPs_Missives on Apr 16, 2024 16:57:51 GMT -5
I feel we should be able to credit people with intelligence. Have you looked at the world we live in? That's a big ask! It's the same reason Chris Evans runs around without a Cap mask in most of the movies and they developed the the inside the helmet look for Robert Downey Jr as Iron Man and why every Spidey has unmasked for significant portions of the movie. On a more practical creative side, it is very difficult for characters in helmets and masks to emote and connect to audiences as well, so removing the mask/helmet creates not just audience recognition but audience connections and ability to identify emotional aspects of scenes through facial expressions. Real world Spider-mask eyes don't go wide or narrow when Spidey needs to emote for the audience the way they can in comics. -M |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2024 17:06:05 GMT -5
As an American who went to see that Dredd movie when it came out, it was a huge disappointment when Stallone was stripped of the Dredd look so early in the movie. I was only a very casual Dredd fan and I liked plenty of prior Stallone movies, but I certainly did not go to that movie to "see his face". The fact that it particularly bombed in North America I think indicates I was not alone.
Don't make a Dredd movie if you don't think Dredd himself is viable as a character. The goal should have been the audience saying "Stallone did great as Dredd" not "Dredd did great as Stallone".
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 16, 2024 17:17:53 GMT -5
I feel we should be able to credit people with intelligence. Have you looked at the world we live in? That's a big ask!  |
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Post by driver1980 on Apr 16, 2024 17:24:41 GMT -5
I feel we should be able to credit people with intelligence. Have you looked at the world we live in? That's a big ask! It's the same reason Chris Evans runs around without a Cap mask in most of the movies and they developed the the inside the helmet look for Robert Downey Jr as Iron Man and why every Spidey has unmasked for significant portions of the movie. On a more practical creative side, it is very difficult for characters in helmets and masks to emote and connect to audiences as well, so removing the mask/helmet creates not just audience recognition but audience connections and ability to identify emotional aspects of scenes through facial expressions. Real world Spider-mask eyes don't go wide or narrow when Spidey needs to emote for the audience the way they can in comics. -M It feels like a big ask when I think of some of the silliness I see in politics or the media (which is why I ration my consumption of news). Or even something simple, such as the time I saw a person reading a book while at the wheel of a moving car - on a motorway! I could even mention a colleague from my clerical career days who thought he needed to cook a jacket potato in a microwave - for ninety minutes. Not sure where he got that timing from. I appreciate what you posted about emotional aspects and facial expressions. I guess my mindset is based on what I experience here, at comic cons, if chatting with friends about movies. Everyone here seems to be a discerning and intelligent person (I’m not saying that about me!), and I’ve had some really stimulating chats at comic cons, or with a friend who loves movies. I might have hoped Hollywood would try and appeal to the intellectual elements of society, but maybe that’s a pipe dream, eh? |
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