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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 22, 2018 23:46:44 GMT -5
I couldn’t decide where to put this since it didn’t seem to fit an existing thread and it felt like it sould be in the Classics section instead of something like Meanwhile.
So how about a thread for comics tidbits that may not merit an entire thread of their own.
To start...
I’ve just read where artists in the Harry A Chesler studio were working “Marvel Style” in the early 40s. Plastino, Moreira, Raboy, Biro.
I had no idea.
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Post by hondobrode on Jul 22, 2018 23:51:56 GMT -5
Interesting
I too had no idea this was going on back then.
I'll bet there was actually more of this going on than we were previously led to believe.
Like Stan at Marvel, the "writer" was provided a broad outline and then filling in captions and dialogue.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 23, 2018 13:17:44 GMT -5
From what I've read, it was fairly common at a lot of the "shops".
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Post by Trevor on Jul 28, 2018 13:17:16 GMT -5
Whatever happened to Mark Martin? I loved his Gnatrat and other humor stories back in the later 90s. He had a long running strip at CBG, but I haven’t heard anything about him in years.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 28, 2018 22:39:54 GMT -5
Whatever happened to Mark Martin? I loved his Gnatrat and other humor stories back in the later 90s. He had a long running strip at CBG, but I haven’t heard anything about him in years. Even his Wikipedia only covers up until the late 90s, working on Nickelodeon Magazine and his own website. The link to his site takes you to the Wayback machine, with his site entries up to 2006. I think he probably ended up like a lot of people who were not major superhero artists and found it tough to earn a living in comics and moved on to other gigs, especially indie humor comics people. Nina Paley and Terry Laban both moved on the magazine work and newspaper strips and others were working in childrens' book illustration and similar things.
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Post by rberman on Aug 15, 2018 13:36:41 GMT -5
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Post by rberman on Aug 15, 2018 14:49:22 GMT -5
Jim Shooter on the original thought that Neal Adams would draw "God Loves, Man Kills" instead of Brent Anderson:
"Yes, we hired Neal to design a look for the graphic novel line. Yes, he was going to draw the X-Men novel -- however, because it involved Marvel characters (unlike Star Slammers, for instance), there was work for hire language in the contract. Neal wanted it changed to an Independent Contractor format. I argued that the contract, albeit W4H, specified every right and benefit that there would be in an Independent Contractor agreement -- royalties and participations in perpetuity, etc. There was no practical difference, and by the way, it was a VERY rich deal for the creators. However, the Marvel lawyers were immovable on the W4H language and Neal was adamantly opposed to it. The Marvel lawyers (I'm not talking about Alice Donenfeld here, by the way, who was wise and reasonable), sensitized to the W4H issue by the whole ruckus precipitated by the general W4H form, were irrationally wed to the W4H format for GN's involving Marvel characters, and honestly, how could Neal, outspoken enemy of W4H, possibly sign a W4H document without looking like a traitor to the cause?"
(https://web.archive.org/web/20120413140846/http://www.jimshooter.com/2011/06/secret-origin-of-jim-shooter-editor-in_29.html)
(In case anyone wonders, I'm not Jim Shooter or his agent in disguise. I just happen to have gone down a rabbit hole with Shooter anecdotes.)
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 15, 2018 18:40:27 GMT -5
There's interesting stuff in those anecdotes; but, I'm never sure how much to believe. Shooter engaged in a lot of spin doctoring when Valiant started up and went crazy with it when Defiant was launched. Between his defensive propaganda and the Comics Journal's (and other fanzines) anti-Shooter material, the more rational truth is deeply buried.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Aug 15, 2018 21:04:37 GMT -5
I was recently reading Moon Knight issues 16-20 from the original 1980s series. It's an arc where he takes on a terrorist group lead by Nimrod Strange. I forget the issue as it is back in the box now but I think it was 17 or 18, there is a panel where they good and call him Hugo Strange (the DC villain). On purpose maybe? I don't have the MK issue where the letters page may show if someone caught the gaffe back in the day for a coveted No Prize.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 16, 2018 11:01:56 GMT -5
Just read Jim Steranko writing about harassing, begging and bribing Sol Brodsky to get Joe Sinnott assigned to ink his work because he knew it would take it to the next level.
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Post by Rob Allen on Aug 16, 2018 12:20:34 GMT -5
Fawcett stopped publishing comics in 1954, but they got back into it in 1958 with Dennis the Menace comics produced with the Hall Syndicate. They put out hundreds of Dennis comics between 1958 and 1980, plus one issue of another Hall Syndicate property. The only non-Dennis comic put out by Fawcett & Hall was Mark Trail on Safari in 1959.
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Post by rberman on Aug 16, 2018 14:43:53 GMT -5
There's interesting stuff in those anecdotes; but, I'm never sure how much to believe. Shooter engaged in a lot of spin doctoring when Valiant started up and went crazy with it when Defiant was launched. Between his defensive propaganda and the Comics Journal's (and other fanzines) anti-Shooter material, the more rational truth is deeply buried. True, every man his the hero of his own story, and there are three sides to every tale. Here is Shooter's version of his departure from Marvel: jimshooter.com/2011/04/even-more-questions-and-answers.html/
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Post by MWGallaher on Aug 16, 2018 14:47:05 GMT -5
The Golden Age Flash, Jay Garrick, ran for 10 years and one month in solo adventures (12 years and 1 month, if you include his last couple of years when he appeared only with the Justice Society).
His imitator, Johnny Quick, ran for 13 years and three months in solo adventures, significantly outlasting his rival (his backup ended in December 1954, Jay's final All-Star Comics appearance was in March 1951).
Johnny had been out of print for less than 2 years when DC introduced the Earth-1 Flash, Barry Allen.
A rough count shows Flash appeared in 207 different Golden Age solo stories, Johnny Quick in 142, Flash in the All-American branch of National, Johnny in the DC branch, although both had essentially merged into the same company a few years into their runs. Jay's stories were typically longer, and usually cover-featured, while Johnny's were usually backups, with only rare cover appearances.
But still, Johnny Quick was something of a mainstay at DC, with a substantial longevity and significant catalog of adventures, a much bigger deal than I would have guessed when a few JQ reprints dribbled into DC's 1970's comics, featuring a character who'd never been recognized as one of the Earth-2 gang (at least until much later).
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Post by MDG on Aug 16, 2018 15:14:30 GMT -5
... His imitator, Johnny Quick, ran for 13 years and three months in solo adventures, significantly outlasting his rival (his backup ended in December 1954, Jay's final All-Star Comics appearance was in March 1951). I idn't know this, though I've enjoyed the 2 or 3 Meskin JQ stories I've seen. What titles was he in?
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 16, 2018 15:50:54 GMT -5
The Golden Age Flash, Jay Garrick, ran for 10 years and one month in solo adventures (12 years and 1 month, if you include his last couple of years when he appeared only with the Justice Society). His imitator, Johnny Quick, ran for 13 years and three months in solo adventures, significantly outlasting his rival (his backup ended in December 1954, Jay's final All-Star Comics appearance was in March 1951). Johnny had been out of print for less than 2 years when DC introduced the Earth-1 Flash, Barry Allen. A rough count shows Flash appeared in 207 different Golden Age solo stories, Johnny Quick in 142, Flash in the All-American branch of National, Johnny in the DC branch, although both had essentially merged into the same company a few years into their runs. Jay's stories were typically longer, and usually cover-featured, while Johnny's were usually backups, with only rare cover appearances. But still, Johnny Quick was something of a mainstay at DC, with a substantial longevity and significant catalog of adventures, a much bigger deal than I would have guessed when a few JQ reprints dribbled into DC's 1970's comics, featuring a character who'd never been recognized as one of the Earth-2 gang (at least until much later). I would say mort Meskin is a big reason for that one.
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