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Post by kirby101 on Jul 25, 2022 11:37:41 GMT -5
I know, but I was hoping that didn't mean no reprints. Might have to wait until 2028 when the Barbarian goes to Public Domain.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 25, 2022 12:07:43 GMT -5
I know, but I was hoping that didn't mean no reprints. Might have to wait until 2028 when the Barbarian goes to Public Domain. The individual comic book issues will still remain under copyright until after we are all dead and gone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2022 13:02:49 GMT -5
I know, but I was hoping that didn't mean no reprints. Might have to wait until 2028 when the Barbarian goes to Public Domain. Titan is taking over the reprint collections next year as well. Marvel is releasing reprints until the end of this year then all rights go to Titan. -M
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2022 13:26:57 GMT -5
Jim Starlin posing as Dreadstar for an artist's reference photo... The pose is seen again in a plate in the Metamorphosis Odyssey portfolio Starlin did. I have that portfolio and that plate is framed and on the wall upstairs. -M
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 25, 2022 13:37:31 GMT -5
I know, but I was hoping that didn't mean no reprints. Might have to wait until 2028 when the Barbarian goes to Public Domain. The individual comic book issues will still remain under copyright until after we are all dead and gone. So if I understand this correctly, Marvel and Dark Horse cannot reprint any of their Conan material since they no longer have rights to the character. The only way they can make money from that material is to sell the rights of that work to Titan who can publish it. And Titan can get the Marvel/Dark Horse material on the cheap because otherwise it's in limbo. I'd also imagine these reprint rights get renewed on a year-by-year basis as long as Titan retains the copyright with the REH estate
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 25, 2022 13:43:13 GMT -5
The individual comic book issues will still remain under copyright until after we are all dead and gone. So if I understand this correctly, Marvel and Dark Horse cannot reprint any of their Conan material since they no longer have rights to the character. The only way they can make money from that material is to sell the rights of that work to Titan who can publish it. And Titan can get the Marvel/Dark Horse material on the cheap because otherwise it's in limbo. The copyright to the individual comic book stories should be held by the successor to the Howard estate. Last I checked it was Conan Properties International. There should be no need for Titan to pay Marvel or Dark Horse anything.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 25, 2022 13:47:46 GMT -5
So if I understand this correctly, Marvel and Dark Horse cannot reprint any of their Conan material since they no longer have rights to the character. The only way they can make money from that material is to sell the rights of that work to Titan who can publish it. And Titan can get the Marvel/Dark Horse material on the cheap because otherwise it's in limbo. The copyright to the individual comic book stories should be held by the successor to the Howard estate. Last I checked it was Conan Properties International. There should be no need for Titan to pay Marvel or Dark Horse anything. If true, then Conan crossover stories with Marvel or Dark Horse characters are in limbo? This could get quite confusing
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2022 13:51:25 GMT -5
The individual comic book issues will still remain under copyright until after we are all dead and gone. So if I understand this correctly, Marvel and Dark Horse cannot reprint any of their Conan material since they no longer have rights to the character. The only way they can make money from that material is to sell the rights of that work to Titan who can publish it. And Titan can get the Marvel/Dark Horse material on the cheap because otherwise it's in limbo. I'd also imagine these reprint rights get renewed on a year-by-year basis as long as Titan retains the copyright with the REH estate Since neither Marvel nor Dark Horse ever owned the rights to Conan (or Star Wars) they simply licensed them, anything they produced under the license is "owned" by the rights holder. When a license expired, Marvel/Dark Horse lost the rights to the material they produced as well since they did not own it. When Titan's license expires, whatever rights to the material they they produce will move on to the next licensee. The Star Wars situation changed when Disney acquired Lucasfilm and now a Disney subsidiary now publishes most of the Star Wars stuff (IDW publishes some). But Dark Horse was able to reprint the original Marvel Star Wars material while they had the license without paying Marvel anything at all. It's also the reason Marvel cannot reprint any of the Rom, Micronauts, G.I. Joe or Transformers material they published. They never owned the rights, just the license to the property and now that the license is elsewhere. they can no longer publish that material (Micronauts and Rom get messy because there are Marvel owned stuff in the that prevent the license holder form reprinting it as well). -M
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2022 13:53:02 GMT -5
The copyright to the individual comic book stories should be held by the successor to the Howard estate. Last I checked it was Conan Properties International. There should be no need for Titan to pay Marvel or Dark Horse anything. If true, then Conan crossover stories with Marvel or Dark Horse characters are in limbo? This could get quite confusing Yes, see the Marvel Rom and Micronauts material for an example. Both are in limbo because of multiple rights issues. -M
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 25, 2022 13:53:12 GMT -5
The copyright to the individual comic book stories should be held by the successor to the Howard estate. Last I checked it was Conan Properties International. There should be no need for Titan to pay Marvel or Dark Horse anything. If true, then Conan crossover stories with Marvel or Dark Horse characters are in limbo? This could get quite confusing Yes. Unless there is some contractual arrangements that were made to allow them to be reprinted.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 25, 2022 13:59:49 GMT -5
If true, then Conan crossover stories with Marvel or Dark Horse characters are in limbo? This could get quite confusing Yes. Unless there is some contractual arrangements that were made to allow them to be reprinted. It's kind of ironic. Marvel had published all that Conan material under what amounts to a work-for-hire arrangement. They owned no rights to the material and now it can be used in any way Conan Properties decides. Somewhere, Jack Kirby and many others are chuckling from high above
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 25, 2022 14:13:52 GMT -5
I know, but I was hoping that didn't mean no reprints. Might have to wait until 2028 when the Barbarian goes to Public Domain. The individual comic book issues will still remain under copyright until after we are all dead and gone. Yes, but when the trademark for Conan expires, Marvel will be free to do new Masterworks with the original coloring.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 25, 2022 14:16:29 GMT -5
The individual comic book issues will still remain under copyright until after we are all dead and gone. Yes, but when the trademark for Conan expires, Marvel will be free to do new Masterworks with the original coloring. Trademarks don't expire. As long as you use them they don't go away. The earliest that Conan #1 would enter the Public Domain is 2065.
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 25, 2022 14:20:32 GMT -5
So if I understand this correctly, Marvel and Dark Horse cannot reprint any of their Conan material since they no longer have rights to the character. The only way they can make money from that material is to sell the rights of that work to Titan who can publish it. And Titan can get the Marvel/Dark Horse material on the cheap because otherwise it's in limbo. I'd also imagine these reprint rights get renewed on a year-by-year basis as long as Titan retains the copyright with the REH estate Since neither Marvel nor Dark Horse ever owned the rights to Conan (or Star Wars) they simply licensed them, anything they produced under the license is "owned" by the rights holder. When a license expired, Marvel/Dark Horse lost the rights to the material they produced as well since they did not own it. When Titan's license expires, whatever rights to the material they they produce will move on to the next licensee. The Star Wars situation changed when Disney acquired Lucasfilm and now a Disney subsidiary now publishes most of the Star Wars stuff (IDW publishes some). But Dark Horse was able to reprint the original Marvel Star Wars material while they had the license without paying Marvel anything at all. It's also the reason Marvel cannot reprint any of the Rom, Micronauts, G.I. Joe or Transformers material they published. They never owned the rights, just the license to the property and now that the license is elsewhere. they can no longer publish that material (Micronauts and Rom get messy because there are Marvel owned stuff in the that prevent the license holder form reprinting it as well). -M Can't Marvel claim the rights to the artwork from there comics?
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 25, 2022 14:21:46 GMT -5
Yes, but when the trademark for Conan expires, Marvel will be free to do new Masterworks with the original coloring. Trademarks don't expire. As long as you use them they don't go away. The earliest that Conan #1 would enter the Public Domain is 2065. But in 2028, Marvel will be able to reprint their issues of Conan again.
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