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Post by MWGallaher on Dec 21, 2022 6:29:22 GMT -5
Writer and penciler Mike Sekowsky, so far as I can tell, doesn't have his credits printed for his work in ADVENTURE COMICS #406, but inker Jack Abel does...on page 14?!?!?!
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Post by MDG on Dec 21, 2022 9:31:53 GMT -5
Writer and penciler Mike Sekowsky, so far as I can tell, doesn't have his credits printed for his work in ADVENTURE COMICS #406, but inker Jack Abel does...on page 14?!?!?!I thought maybe this meant the inker called Abel in to ink this detailed page, but the GCD credits Abel with the whole story (except for Clark Kent faces inked by Murphy Anderson) Then I thought the editor was being petty and not crediting Sekowsky for some reason, but the editor was.... Mike Sekowsky. Then I thought DC didn;t credit Sekowsky 'cause he was leaving the company, but he did the next issue as well... So.... I'm out of ideas.
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Post by MWGallaher on Dec 21, 2022 11:02:38 GMT -5
I did come up with one theory: Sekowsky did not leave room for credits in any of the usual spots, and judging by several other issues in his run, he didn't favor including credits at all. Looking over the pages of the book, this appears to be the only spot where a credit blurb would fit without significantly disrupting the composition. Maybe Jack Abel, who had already inked several prior issues which he may not have seen in print until working on this issue, realized this was happening (or rather, not happening) and insisted on getting a published credit this time (perhaps going over Sekowsky's head to publisher Carmine Infantino?).
Jack Abel did not ink any more of Sekowsky's remaining Supergirl stories, so this hypothetical insistence on credit may have ticked off the reputedly mercurial Sekowsky.
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Post by MWGallaher on Dec 21, 2022 11:15:38 GMT -5
I find trademarks to be an interesting subject. I've long understood that a comics company can lose a trademark if they don't use it, hence different DAREDEVIL and CAPTAIN MARVEL comics from different publishers jumping on abandoned trademarks. But if you look at the registry of trademarks, it's not just the phrase but the logo design itself covered by trademark protection. In comics, there are several instances where a defunct trademark title was appropriated, but it's almost unheard of, so far as I've seen, for a publisher to pick up another publisher's trademark and logo design, except when a license changes hands or a title is sold off to a different company. So I was surprised to see that Dynamite Entertainment would not just scoop up Marvel's unused "Savage Tales" as a title, but also swipe its original logo design: Yes, there are some slight modifications, but the Dynamite logo uses an almost identical pattern of raggedness on the edges of the letters. That's taking things to a remarkably detailed level of swiping!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2022 21:11:27 GMT -5
Today would have been Stan Lee's 100th birthday. Whatever your opinion of his complicated legacy is, comics and comic fans owe a great debt to him, so a fair huzzah in his honor today.
-M
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Post by Batflunkie on Dec 29, 2022 9:39:25 GMT -5
Today would have been Stan Lee's 100th birthday. Whatever your opinion of his complicated legacy is, comics and comic fans owe a great debt to him, so a fair huzzah in his honor today. I kind of wonder what he was really like beneath all the bravado he displayed for fans
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2022 13:01:03 GMT -5
This piece resides in Matt Wagner's personal art collection, of which he was showing pieces on the bird app. Wagner introduced the piece: "a painting of The Shadow by the legendary Alex Toth. This piece was part of some developmental work that Toth was contracted to do for a potential animated series back in the 70s that never came to fruition." wow, just wow! I love me some Toth. -M
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Post by kirby101 on Dec 30, 2022 9:51:01 GMT -5
It is sometimes important to remember that the success or failure of comic companies doesn't always have to do with the sales of their comics or their popularity.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 18:09:46 GMT -5
Some interesting discussion of what are comics, the wide variety of comics available in the market today, the various way you can find comics, get into comics, etc. and the general future of comics by the Cartoonist Kayfabe guys...
"Comic books and graphic novels are just formats in my world of comics" -Jim Rugg
-M
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Post by Batflunkie on Dec 31, 2022 20:09:45 GMT -5
Some interesting discussion of what are comics, the wide variety of comics available in the market today, the various way you can find comics, get into comics, etc. and the general future of comics by the Cartoonist Kayfabe guys... "Comic books and graphic novels are just formats in my world of comics" -Jim Rugg -M Cartoonist Kayfabe is such a great channel in general, I love seeing a new video of theirs pop up in my subscriptions
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Post by tonebone on Dec 31, 2022 20:47:02 GMT -5
Some interesting discussion of what are comics, the wide variety of comics available in the market today, the various way you can find comics, get into comics, etc. and the general future of comics by the Cartoonist Kayfabe guys... "Comic books and graphic novels are just formats in my world of comics" -Jim Rugg -M Cartoonist Kayfabe is such a great channel in general, I love seeing a new video of theirs pop up in my subscriptions I also like Cartoonist Kayfabe, but I must admit to leaning towards Rugg, vs. Piskor. Whenever Piskor calls artists "jobbers", with a little hint of derision, it rubs me the wrong way. As if what he and Rugg do is elevated above Kirby, Sinnott, Ditko, Ayers, and the rest who worked hard for a living.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 22:30:58 GMT -5
Cartoonist Kayfabe is such a great channel in general, I love seeing a new video of theirs pop up in my subscriptions I also like Cartoonist Kayfabe, but I must admit to leaning towards Rugg, vs. Piskor. Whenever Piskor calls artists "jobbers", with a little hint of derision, it rubs me the wrong way. As if what he and Rugg do is elevated above Kirby, Sinnott, Ditko, Ayers, and the rest who worked hard for a living. When Piskor uses that, I don't think he targets the guys who worked in an era where you had no choice, I think he is indicating folks who have the chance to pursue their own vision and creative freedom, to take a risk to self-publish or work outside the assembly line system but choose to take the assembly line pay rate and such. Yes, they may work hard for a living, but they are taking less than what they could make (higher floor, lower ceiling on earning potential) and the safe same old same old of playing in someone else's sandbox churning out the same status quo books instead of doing something of their own or something that says or does something new. You can agree or disagree with him as you like, but he shows a deep respect for some of the innovators who worked in that system when there was no other choice (the Kirby's Ditko's Adams' and the like of the work-for-hire only era). Piskor's done both, but even when he's taken work-for-hire stuff, he's pushed the boundaries of the medium with it and not just churned out house style assembly line pages for a safe sub-standard page rate. But he's gotten the opportunities he has had because he's taken chances and shook things up and not just taken the Big 2 dole to churn out house style pages. -M
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 1, 2023 13:53:04 GMT -5
It's also a pro wrestling term for the underneath guys who would lose to the stars, on television, to make them look god. Kayfabe is the carny language that was traditionally used in pro wrestling, to keep business secret from outsiders, before Vince McMahon went out publicly to admit it was just a show, to get out from under the control of state athletic commissions (and their taxes). It is a bit odd to apply to comics, as it was never an insider business, since it was basic publishing. About the only things the publishers kept secret was how little they paid the talent and maybe some of the shady characters who they did business with (or hired, in some cases).
There is definitely a modern trend of applying pro wrestling terms and logic to comic books, but it doesn't always work, beyond superhero publishing. There is a definite parallel in storytelling and plotting; but it doesn't work as well if you are discussing Love & Rockets, for example, than the latest version of the Justice League.
Using that concept, who would be Marvel's Four Horsemen, beyond Stan Lee, Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko? John Romita? Gene Colan? Don Heck? Larry Lieber? Roy Thomas?
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 1, 2023 14:05:36 GMT -5
It is sometimes important to remember that the success or failure of comic companies doesn't always have to do with the sales of their comics or their popularity. By the same token, 90s indie Majestic flamed out quickly because their parent company was pirating their own NFL trading cards, to sell without paying royalties and got busted and lost their license. They crashed and took the company down before they could expand on an intriguing premise, in Legacy. Simon & Kirby's Mainline went under because their distributor wouldn't put out their comics, because of the 50s hysteria. First Comics went under because the owners spent so much cash trying to get Classics Illustrated off the ground and into book stores that they couldn't sustain regular operations, despite the revenues generated by their regular titles. Eclipse Comics was pretty much crippled by the flood of their warehouse and offices, since they depended on the sales of back issues to finance new publications. They limped along, borrowing from the future to finance the present. Had they not suffered the flood, they might have lasted through the 90s, with a better financial situation. Malibu disappeared because Marvel just wanted to keep them out of DC's hands (per Tom Mason and Chris Ulm), thereby significantly increasing their market share. They soon shut things down and gained little beyond some computer coloring systems. Fantagraphics nearly went under with the bankruptcy of their retail book distributor, Seven Hills, and had to appeal to the market place to get people to place orders directly with the company, to get enough cash to float them through the crisis. The Borders bankruptcy took down Tokyo Pop, in the US, because Borders had gone deep into manga and owed Tokyo Pop a ton of money.
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Post by foxley on Jan 1, 2023 18:10:55 GMT -5
It's also a pro wrestling term for the underneath guys who would lose to the stars, on television, to make them look god. Kayfabe is the carny language that was traditionally used in pro wrestling, to keep business secret from outsiders, before Vince McMahon went out publicly to admit it was just a show, to get out from under the control of state athletic commissions (and their taxes). It is a bit odd to apply to comics, as it was never an insider business, since it was basic publishing. About the only things the publishers kept secret was how little they paid the talent and maybe some of the shady characters who they did business with (or hired, in some cases). There is definitely a modern trend of applying pro wrestling terms and logic to comic books, but it doesn't always work, beyond superhero publishing. There is a definite parallel in storytelling and plotting; but it doesn't work as well if you are discussing Love & Rockets, for example, than the latest version of the Justice League. Using that concept, who would be Marvel's Four Horsemen, beyond Stan Lee, Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko? John Romita? Gene Colan? Don Heck? Larry Lieber? Roy Thomas? Bearing in mind that I know nothing about wrestling, and have no idea who these Four Horsemen are (but I'm assuming they are not the ones from Discworld), What If...? #11 ('What If the Original Marvel Bullpen Had Become the Fantastic Four?") suggests it might have been Flo Steinberg.
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