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Post by beccabear67 on Feb 1, 2019 12:55:52 GMT -5
For me a '60s Batman without a Batgirl appearance was hugely disappointing, though her Batcycle was about an equal co-star... both in one show made my half hour! I can't imagine how I'd have felt if they had actually made her spin-off series as they had started to. She could have been competition to Angie Dickinson in Police Woman!
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Post by beccabear67 on Feb 1, 2019 13:01:30 GMT -5
A few stand out in my memory that I enjoyed. One was a World's Finest story where she and Superman team up against Batman and Supergirl. Neal Adams drew it and I think it involved an alien posing as actor. Another is her debut in Detective Comics. #176
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 1, 2019 13:23:22 GMT -5
I'd be hard pressed to name a single Batgirl story that I remember. Ten favorite is an impossibility. Unless we include Elseworlds. I remember liking Thrillkiller. And I think the Elseworlds Finest with Batgirl and Super/PowerGirl was okay. But overall she's not a character I ever had any interest in.
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 1, 2019 14:12:03 GMT -5
I read the letters in Detective #363 and it's mostly a bunch of comments - mostly positive - about the first appearance of Barbara Gordon Batgirl in #359. Including a lengthy and positive missive from Irene Vartanoff! And there's also an editorial comment that Batgirl will soon be joining the line-up of the Batman TV show and she will be played by Mary Ann Mobley! "What did you say! Mary Ann Who?"
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 1, 2019 14:18:35 GMT -5
I only ever liked Batgirl in Birds of Prey. Do you mean when she was Oracle? I have read a few of those in TPB form from the library, and they are some pretty good comics! I especially live Zinda! I will be talking more about Oracle in a few days. You may be talking about the New 52 Birds of Prey, where she was back to being Batgirl. I love that series. Well, for the first 20 issues or so. It got bad pretty fast after that.
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 1, 2019 14:25:11 GMT -5
As I have mentioned many times here at CCF, when I was a kid reading comics Batgirl was my favorite DC character (along with some of the Legionnaires). I just loved the the idea that an ordinary person could become a costumed crime-fighter by dint of smarts and athletic prowess. I had her debut issue (Detective #359) but thanks to spotty distribution I missed a lot of her subsequent appearances. I did manage to get World's Finest #169. That became one of my all-time favorite comics--Curt Swan drew a great Batgirl--and I even wrote a letter (that was published) applauding the Supergirl-Batgirl team-up. They re-teamed in WF #176, this time the art was by Neal Adams, so you'll probably want to read that issue even though the story (by Cary Bates) is silly. Then when Batgirl got her solo series in Detective, and even though she was alternating the back-up spot with Robin, I was in seventh heaven. I only read comics for a few more years, during which time I did read a lot of her solo Detective stories. The stories were kind of simplistic but the great Kane art--usually inked by Anderson--made the series special. As an adult I bought the Batgirl Showcase volume and it filled in the blanks, i.e., issues I'd not read back then. Hoosier X , I know you hunt down the actual old comics themselves but you might also want to pick up the Showcase volume as a guide. It contains all of her Silver Age appearances/early Bronze Age appearances up to 1974. dc.fandom.com/wiki/Showcase_Presents:_Batgirl_Vol._1_(Collected)I am perfectly happy with reprints a lot of the time. My library has that Batgirl Showcase volume and I checked it out a while back. I'm thinking of checking it out again. I have all the issues of Detective reprinted in that volume. And WF #169 (HECK YES) and Brave and Bold #78 and Batman #197 And JLA #60. But there's a few of the other stories that I only read that one time. And, yes, WF #169 is an all-time great comic book that I would include on my "If you have never read this comic, then your knowledge of comic books is so incomplete that your opinion is nearly worthless" list. Ha ha! Just kidding! (Sort of.)
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 1, 2019 14:27:31 GMT -5
The Batgirl Special issue is a good read. I’d nominate it. I have never read this one! I'll try to see if I can find it cheap.
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 1, 2019 14:29:50 GMT -5
I used to have this one, Detective Comics #397, and remember the Batgirl back-up story 'The Hollow Man' had Gil Kane & Murphy Anderson art, one of my favorite combinations... the story is: good-looking guy pretends to be disfigured guy and kills women for being fickle and liking him only for his good looks, has date with Barbara Gordon! The Gil Kane art is the real selling point for the early installments of this series. I'm considering a couple of these storylines for the list.
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 1, 2019 14:34:12 GMT -5
Batman Family #10 is the only one I have. It's inclusion is a bit of a long shot … but then I think of how wonderfully whacky it is, and the Brown/Colletta art, and Batwoman, and the random pairing of Killer Moth and Cavalier (the Mr. Hyde and Cobra team of the DCU) and their utterly ridiculous criminal scheme … It has all the elements that make WF #169 and B and B #78 such strong contenders.
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 1, 2019 14:37:24 GMT -5
That Batgirl? Hmm. Oh. I always liked Oracle better. A heroine who went through hell and then uses her resultant disability to be a better superhero feels very inspiring, and very original. John Ostrander's piece-by-piece rebuilding of Barbara Gordon in Suicide Squad is one of my favorite things in superhero comics ever. And I tend to prefer the original versions of super-types, so Betty Kane is always my favorite Batgirl. I'm not saying the pre-new-look Batman stories were classics for the ages, but I liked the combination of mystery and sexual tension between Bat-Girl/Robin and Batwoman/Batman. I'll be writing about Oracle. And about why I hate The Killing Joke. And about Suicide Squad. And I love Betty Kane too! I especially like the one where Bat-Mite gets a crush on her! Or the one where Batman turns into an evil genie and Robin and Bat-Girl must stop him … without Batwoman's help because she's out of town!
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 1, 2019 14:38:23 GMT -5
Batgirl: Year One Batgirl: New 52 I love New 52 Batgirl! I'll have to see if I can find Batgirl: Year One for cheap!
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 1, 2019 14:40:35 GMT -5
Batman 311 is one of those comics I fondly recalled having as a kid and appreciate even more as an adult. It's one of those tightly written stories which upon reflection, seems difficult to believe could be contained within a mere 17 pages. Early on in the tale, Englehart has Batman and Commissioner Gordon acknowledge that given their relationship, Barbara Gordon may as well be Batman's niece. After all, how many nights did she spend watching as he and her father planned all sorts of strategies for taking down criminals in her family home? It's a moment which could exist on its own as a nice summation of why it was inevitable that Barbara Gordon chose the path she did, but here it pays out in dividends as Batgirl is presented as a hero up against incredible odds, but at no point is she in over her head. She's a master tactician who, unlike Batman and Robin, is completely self-taught. Interestingly, Batman tracks down the villain of this issue, Dr. Phosphorous only to be taken out of the game early on in the issue's final battle. Now, Phosphorous could kill you simply by touching you and Batgirl knows this. Therefore, her best bet is to maintain a safe distance from him at all times, except the further she gets from Phosphorous, the closer Phosphorous gets to an unconscious Batman laying about ten feet away. You can't help but realise that you're watching a master tactician at work when Batgirl's every move in this battle is both offensive and defensive. Batman only wakes up after the battle is over in fact. This sounds like a contender. I've never read it. I'll be looking for it. Maybe it's reprinted somewhere.
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 1, 2019 14:41:41 GMT -5
I haven't read too many Batgirl stories, sorry to say. I've always like her, though. Strong, butt-kicking woman; cool costume; red hair — Quoth the Burns, "Excellent." She's awesome! Get the Batgirl Showcase volume for bunches of great early appearances.
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 1, 2019 14:46:47 GMT -5
I never read any Batgirl before the Gail Simone... I like both that version and the 'Burnside' reboot. I have the showcase volume, which is pretty fun, too. I probably wouldn't be a Batgirl fan if it wasn't for Gail Simone. I love Cherry Hill! I tolerate "Burnside." In my head canon, Burnside and Cherry Hill are two New Jersey neighborhoods that are next to each other and are very competitive. Cherry Hill is kind of burned out and scary (like Pomona) and Burnside is cleaner and richer (like Rancho Cucamonga). If I was writing Batgirl, I'd have her operating in both boroughs. And I'd have Batgirl fan clubs for both communities, both adamantly claiming Batgirl as their own. (And I'd always vote Cherry Hill!)
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 1, 2019 14:50:34 GMT -5
That World's Finest was my 1st thought for favorite. After that it would be her solo stint in Detective that I remember most. 3rd up is not story but art: any Jim Aparo Batgirl cover art always caught my attention immediately. Her costume/color scheme is just so iconic and spectacular composition that a strong artist really makes it "POP" visually. The Robin/Batgirl teen/college teaming with it's flirtatious and romantic overtones were a strong bit that really never went anywhere but should have! They were a natural combination that worked well together and deserved a stronger writer/storyline than they ever received. What teenage boy or girl even didn't have hopes of teaming/hooking up with the dynamic dare-doll? I love it that WF #169 is getting so much love! It was only her third appearance! I love the way the ending is like a parody of a Scooby Doo mystery.
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