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Post by rberman on Apr 12, 2019 17:34:17 GMT -5
- During that fight, Robin clearly states that they called her Starfire due to the starfire bolts she displays. That is correct, I now see. We missed the moment of them dubbing them "starfire bolts" and the moment of naming her after them, but at least we are told about the second retroactively.  |
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Post by shaxper on Apr 12, 2019 19:06:04 GMT -5
Sadly, Starfire as a sex slave at 14/15 is probably the most believable thing about her back story. It's way too common a thing, in places like Thailand and the Philippines and other parts of the world (especially those areas with sea ports). 12 and 13 is also far too common. If only half of the stories I heard about the Philippines, especially Olongapo, outside the old Subic bay naval base, then is was a pretty sad and horrific place and life for young girls. I heard tales of families selling their daughters to brothels to just survive, economically. One of my ROTC classmates, while on summer training cruise, made a port visit to Subic, was sight-seeing and had a kid come up to him, pimping his mother's services. Marv's toned it way down. Oh, I do know this. And Chris Claremont and Frank Miller depicted elements of this with surprising bluntness when they introduced Karma in the pages of Marvel Team-up and Claremont further developed her backstory with The New Mutants. But it's still surprising to see in a mainstream comic of the time period, especially since I'd been reading that story repeatedly for years now and never quite figured it out until now. |
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Post by shaxper on Apr 12, 2019 19:18:28 GMT -5
Wally is lounging in the chair, holding a book (trying to read...at night...with no apparent lamp??) while in his costume. It just looks weird. He...uh...didn't have time to change?  Ya know, it's funny. Usually in comics when we get an absurd acronymed organization, they give you the full name right off the bat, but I'm pretty sure this one hasn't been explained yet. They take a whole lot at face value without questioning, and I have to wonder how much is supposed to be Raven's manipulations and how much is just lazy writing. Yes indeed. Well, as you pointed out, Grant Wilson is the reason they take out a contract on the Titans. Could be they were looking for an opportunity to ensnare The Terminator and were waiting on baited breath for Grant to pick a target as a result. What I still don't get is why Grant felt it was logical to accept the very same contract he'd given to the H.I.V.E. It could easily be explained away, but it isn't. I'm so relieved there are now multiple people who understood this plot as little as I did. I've read that Marv kept telling him to go bigger with the hair. Again, both visually and in terms of character, Kory initially bears a striking resemblance to Storm. |
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Post by spoon on Apr 12, 2019 20:01:24 GMT -5
Ya know, it's funny. Usually in comics when we get an absurd acronymed organization, they give you the full name right off the bat, but I'm pretty sure this one hasn't been explained yet. We did get the full name. In #2, when Deathstroke radios Wintergreen, he says it's Hierarchy of International Vengeance and Eliminations! |
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Post by shaxper on Apr 12, 2019 20:46:25 GMT -5
Ya know, it's funny. Usually in comics when we get an absurd acronymed organization, they give you the full name right off the bat, but I'm pretty sure this one hasn't been explained yet. We did get the full name. In #2, when Deathstroke radios Wintergreen, he says it's Hierarchy of International Vengeance and Eliminations! Wow. That's so bad I can't believe it escaped my notice! |
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Post by brianf on Apr 13, 2019 0:00:22 GMT -5
I'm loving all this talk of these comics. The first issue I read was NTT #4 that a friend had, I enjoyed it and went back and bought the earlier issues at my local comic shop in Miami (Sunshine Comics) and was surprised to find even just a few months after publication the first few issues had like tripled (or more) cover price for back issue cost. its obvious Wolfman & Perez are still getting their feet wet, but for all the talk folks are having the one image shared that I can't get over is - I've seen a ton of bushes and shrubs on apartment roof tops, but nope there's no room for the roots needed for these trees here. zing!  |
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Post by rberman on Apr 13, 2019 5:06:30 GMT -5
I'm loving all this talk of these comics. The first issue I read was NTT #4 that a friend had, I enjoyed it and went back and bought the earlier issues at my local comic shop in Miami (Sunshine Comics) and was surprised to find even just a few months after publication the first few issues had like tripled (or more) cover price for back issue cost. its obvious Wolfman & Perez are still getting their feet wet, but for all the talk folks are having the one image shared that I can't get over is - I've seen a ton of bushes and shrubs on apartment roof tops, but nope there's no room for the roots needed for these trees here. zing! The other thing that strikes me about this scene is that Wonder Girl is playing waitress. You could argue that it's just because this party is taking place at her apartment, but "women serve the food while men lounge around" was also a cultural assumption that hadn't quite died.  |
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 13, 2019 5:13:37 GMT -5
It’s her apartment. Let’s not get ultra women’s lib here.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 13, 2019 6:04:03 GMT -5
I'm loving all this talk of these comics. The first issue I read was NTT #4 that a friend had, I enjoyed it and went back and bought the earlier issues at my local comic shop in Miami (Sunshine Comics) and was surprised to find even just a few months after publication the first few issues had like tripled (or more) cover price for back issue cost. its obvious Wolfman & Perez are still getting their feet wet, but for all the talk folks are having the one image shared that I can't get over is - I've seen a ton of bushes and shrubs on apartment roof tops, but nope there's no room for the roots needed for these trees here. zing! The other thing that strikes me about this scene is that Wonder Girl is playing waitress. You could argue that it's just because this party is taking place at her apartment, but "women serve the food while men lounge around" was also a cultural assumption that hadn't quite died. I thought about bringing this up in the review and decided to let it go because it is such a gray area. Sure, it's her apartment, but what bugs me is no one is even acknowledging her doing this in the shot. On the rare occasion that I actually serve my friends when they are in my home, they acknowledge the gesture and smile in response. The lack of acknowledgment in the panel suggests a level of servitude. Clearly, they are focused on Kory's story here, but just one Titan turning to acknowledge Donna's generosity and smiling would have made a huge difference. But, like I said, it's a gray area. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 13, 2019 6:34:02 GMT -5
It's not necessary IMO, to always dialogue every mundane discussion nor every thank you in the panels.
Isn't that the criticism of Bendis ?
You have a point in the JL panel, but seeing as a member has a fishbowl on his head, I'm willing to write it off.
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 13, 2019 17:51:30 GMT -5
Hey shaxper, when is the review for NTT #4 ? |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 13, 2019 21:23:39 GMT -5
The other thing that strikes me about this scene is that Wonder Girl is playing waitress. You could argue that it's just because this party is taking place at her apartment, but "women serve the food while men lounge around" was also a cultural assumption that hadn't quite died. I thought about bringing this up in the review and decided to let it go because it is such a gray area. Sure, it's her apartment, but what bugs me is no one is even acknowledging her doing this in the shot. On the rare occasion that I actually serve my friends when they are in my home, they acknowledge the gesture and smile in response. The lack of acknowledgment in the panel suggests a level of servitude. Clearly, they are focused on Kory's story here, but just one Titan turning to acknowledge Donna's generosity and smiling would have made a huge difference. But, like I said, it's a gray area. I choose to picture they haven't seen Donna come out on the balcony yet in the panel as depicted, and that they thank her and grab drinks after Starfire finishes her story  |
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Post by shaxper on Apr 13, 2019 23:10:17 GMT -5
Hey shaxper, when is the review for NTT #4 ? I'm going to try for Sunday evening, but it could be as late as next thursday. |
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Post by profh0011 on Apr 14, 2019 13:29:05 GMT -5
They were ALL boring characters prior to Wolfman  Robin WASN'T. But... you probably have to go back to 1940 and upward to see that.
There's a reason why sales of BATMAN comics shot up after Robin's introduction! He gave the stories a lot more balance, and made them more fun to read.
Something I loved pointing out to a friend of mine who's a big fan of the '66 TV series, is that in both the 1943 movie serial and the early-1940s comics, Bruce & Dick did NOT come across as adoptive father and son... but more like adoptive older and younger BROTHERS.
And Batman & Robin weren't hero & sidekick... they were PARTNERS in crime-fighting.
Truthfully, I like that depiction better!
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 14, 2019 15:17:22 GMT -5
They were ALL boring characters prior to Wolfman Robin WASN'T. But... you probably have to go back to 1940 and upward to see that.
There's a reason why sales of BATMAN comics shot up after Robin's introduction! He gave the stories a lot more balance, and made them more fun to read.
Something I loved pointing out to a friend of mine who's a big fan of the '66 TV series, is that in both the 1943 movie serial and the early-1940s comics, Bruce & Dick did NOT come across as adoptive father and son... but more like adoptive older and younger BROTHERS.
And Batman & Robin weren't hero & sidekick... they were PARTNERS in crime-fighting.
Truthfully, I like that depiction better!
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