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Post by badwolf on Apr 14, 2019 17:06:30 GMT -5
I've read that Marv kept telling him to go bigger with the hair. Again, both visually and in terms of character, Kory initially bears a striking resemblance to Storm. I don't disagree, but I distinctly recall a letter on one of the letters pages (probably around the time of "The Judas Contract", which is when I started picking the book up), where a reader observed the similarity and whoever responded (I don't remember if it was Marv or the editor) said they didn't see any similarity at all.
Of course, maybe they "had" to say that.
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 14, 2019 17:15:54 GMT -5
The only similar feature was the eyes without pupils.
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Post by rberman on Apr 14, 2019 18:52:14 GMT -5
The only similar feature was the eyes without pupils. And the super-long hair, costume with lots of cutouts, and frequent tendency to regard clothing as a needless and curious Western phenomenon. Not that all individually these were unique to either, but as a set, there's substantial overlap. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 14, 2019 20:36:26 GMT -5
Wasn't Storm sporting a mohawk at this point? I don't really see the similarity, other than 'female superheroes that have strong superpowers'.. you could probably say every female superhero talked about clothes in that way at some point... think about who's writing the comics and who the target audience is.. that's what the readers wanted to see/hear.
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Post by rberman on Apr 14, 2019 20:47:58 GMT -5
Wasn't Storm sporting a mohawk at this point? I don't really see the similarity, other than 'female superheroes that have strong superpowers'.. you could probably say every female superhero talked about clothes in that way at some point... think about who's writing the comics and who the target audience is.. that's what the readers wanted to see/hear. Storm got her Mohawk in late 1983. But even if she'd had it already, the similarity to 'classic Ororo" would still be a point of discussion, as part of the broader discussion (already had earlier in this thread) about various points of similarity between this series and Claremont's work on X-Men. |
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Post by Duragizer on Apr 14, 2019 23:59:19 GMT -5
They were ALL boring characters prior to Wolfman  Robin WASN'T. But... you probably have to go back to 1940 and upward to see that.
There's a reason why sales of BATMAN comics shot up after Robin's introduction! He gave the stories a lot more balance, and made them more fun to read.
Something I loved pointing out to a friend of mine who's a big fan of the '66 TV series, is that in both the 1943 movie serial and the early-1940s comics, Bruce & Dick did NOT come across as adoptive father and son... but more like adoptive older and younger BROTHERS.
And Batman & Robin weren't hero & sidekick... they were PARTNERS in crime-fighting.
Truthfully, I like that depiction better!
Robin's introduction's where I, personally, lost interest in the Golden Age Batman. A dark/tragic character with his roots in the pulps shouldn't have a gaily coloured prepubescent sidekick clothed in a speedo and pixie boots tagging along beside him. Wolfman did a good job making Robin likable, as did Batman: The Animated Series, and I do think Batman needs a Dick Grayson-type character in his life as a humanizing agent, but I really can't stomach the Golden/Silver Age Robins at all. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 15, 2019 0:02:19 GMT -5
Robin WASN'T. But... you probably have to go back to 1940 and upward to see that.
There's a reason why sales of BATMAN comics shot up after Robin's introduction! He gave the stories a lot more balance, and made them more fun to read.
Something I loved pointing out to a friend of mine who's a big fan of the '66 TV series, is that in both the 1943 movie serial and the early-1940s comics, Bruce & Dick did NOT come across as adoptive father and son... but more like adoptive older and younger BROTHERS.
And Batman & Robin weren't hero & sidekick... they were PARTNERS in crime-fighting.
Truthfully, I like that depiction better!
Robin's introduction's where I, personally, lost interest in the Golden Age Batman. A dark/tragic character with his roots in the pulps shouldn't have a gaily coloured prepubescent sidekick clothed in a speedo and pixie boots tagging along beside him.Wolfman did a good job making Robin likable, as did Batman: The Animated Series, and I do think Batman needs such a Dick Grayson-type character in his life as a humanizing agent, but I really can't stomach the Golden/Silver Age Robins at all. The willing suspension of disbelief ain't in your toolbox? |
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Post by Duragizer on Apr 15, 2019 0:11:00 GMT -5
Robin's introduction's where I, personally, lost interest in the Golden Age Batman. A dark/tragic character with his roots in the pulps shouldn't have a gaily coloured prepubescent sidekick clothed in a speedo and pixie boots tagging along beside him.Wolfman did a good job making Robin likable, as did Batman: The Animated Series, and I do think Batman needs such a Dick Grayson-type character in his life as a humanizing agent, but I really can't stomach the Golden/Silver Age Robins at all. The willing suspension of disbelief ain't in your toolbox? I can willfully suspend quite a bit. It's conflicting tones I have issues with.  |
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 15, 2019 0:21:55 GMT -5
The willing suspension of disbelief ain't in your toolbox? I can willfully suspend quite a bit. It's conflicting tones I have issues with. Yeah, but I think the addition of Robin changed the original tone. |
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Post by shaxper on Apr 15, 2019 7:51:30 GMT -5
Robin WASN'T. But... you probably have to go back to 1940 and upward to see that. There's a reason why sales of BATMAN comics shot up after Robin's introduction! He gave the stories a lot more balance, and made them more fun to read. Something I loved pointing out to a friend of mine who's a big fan of the '66 TV series, is that in both the 1943 movie serial and the early-1940s comics, Bruce & Dick did NOT come across as adoptive father and son... but more like adoptive older and younger BROTHERS. And Batman & Robin weren't hero & sidekick... they were PARTNERS in crime-fighting. Truthfully, I like that depiction better!
You like the depiction of their partnership, but those serials were terrible. The first serial was a LOT of fun (the rampant post-Pearl Harbor anti-Japanese propaganda aside). And I agree with profh0011 's read on the Batman and Robin dynamic there. The second serial is a bit harder to get through. |
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Post by shaxper on Apr 15, 2019 7:58:34 GMT -5
Robin WASN'T. But... you probably have to go back to 1940 and upward to see that. There's a reason why sales of BATMAN comics shot up after Robin's introduction! He gave the stories a lot more balance, and made them more fun to read. Something I loved pointing out to a friend of mine who's a big fan of the '66 TV series, is that in both the 1943 movie serial and the early-1940s comics, Bruce & Dick did NOT come across as adoptive father and son... but more like adoptive older and younger BROTHERS. And Batman & Robin weren't hero & sidekick... they were PARTNERS in crime-fighting. Truthfully, I like that depiction better!
Robin's introduction's where I, personally, lost interest in the Golden Age Batman. A dark/tragic character with his roots in the pulps shouldn't have a gaily coloured prepubescent sidekick clothed in a speedo and pixie boots tagging along beside him. This is a common sentiment among modern readers, and it's a valid one. However, historically, Batman didn't become a runaway success until they added Robin. For most of the character's history, Robin's inclusion has remained a marketing necessity more than an artistic one, which is exactly what makes his treatment in the New Teen Titans so special. It's the first widely successful attempt to treat the character with artistic dignity. For further consideration: Does Batman Need A Robin?IMHO The First Serious Exploration of Robin as a Solo Character |
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Post by shaxper on Apr 15, 2019 8:01:12 GMT -5
FWIW I'm going to try to sneak in a review of NTT #4 late tonight. If that doesn't happen, expect it Wednesday or Thursday evening.
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 15, 2019 8:04:08 GMT -5
Stop teasing us
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Post by shaxper on Apr 15, 2019 8:08:46 GMT -5
Tell that to my seven year old who couldn't sleep last night when I otherwise would have been reviewing 🙄 |
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 15, 2019 8:43:05 GMT -5
Yeah , real life crashes in.
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