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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 16, 2019 18:33:48 GMT -5
I think Changeling--being the "kid" of the group and comic relief--was likely protected from the start. Receive a beating? Yep. Betrayed & have his heart broken? Yes, but face the Grim Reaper? Nah. The Character was mostly new to me and when Raven pronounced his death, I mostly believed it back in the day. Reading it today , I was able to see that since they were setting up the Doom Patrol storyline, it didn't make sense to take him out of the book. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 16, 2019 20:33:24 GMT -5
I think with enough time, Terminator would find some way of either subduing or outright defeating Kid Flash. The junior speedster may be fast, but that does not include outthinking all of his enemies, and for men like the Terminator and Batman, that is--arguably--their greatest, can't lose weapon. Yes, but time is the one thing you don't have when fighting someone who moves faster than the speed of light. After this conversation, I'd really love to see a Batman-Terminator battle. Has that ever happened? I posted this elsewhere, but Priest just did Batman vs. Deathstroke in a 6 parter.. granted it's the current DCU, which isn't quite the same, but it's there. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 16, 2019 20:36:03 GMT -5
I think my issue with the issue was that it doesn't make sense to me that Deathstroke can take a direct shot from Starfire and not feel it... he's an enhanced human yes, but not THAT enhanced... if you leave that aside though, I agree it's a great action scene.
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Post by dbutler69 on Jun 17, 2019 5:39:23 GMT -5
I think my issue with the issue was that it doesn't make sense to me that Deathstroke can take a direct shot from Starfire and not feel it... he's an enhanced human yes, but not THAT enhanced... if you leave that aside though, I agree it's a great action scene. I agree. That scene really surprised me. Really good armor, perhaps? |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 17, 2019 5:52:25 GMT -5
Either:
1. He has chainmail blah, blah, or
2. suspend your disbelief like you do with all the other unlikely things in these comic books.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 17, 2019 5:56:25 GMT -5
Some tidits
The scene where Vic says that Sarah is just a friend looks so forced.
Kind of cool that Slade scammed and then killed HIVE and those international terrorists
It's obvious that Kid Flash is on a power level way above the others, but he lasts a good 3 years before he's written out of the book.
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Post by rberman on Jun 20, 2019 14:37:31 GMT -5
shaxper A humble request going forward: I LOVE the enthusiasm and participation in this discussion, but I'd really appreciate it we could keep the talk at least marginally related to my reviews...maybe even just quote me when taking something I've said into a tangential discussion. My review of issue #9 got positively buried in all the back and forth about race and Cyborg's love life. I'm not sure many of you even saw it. I spend a lot of time and put a lot of thought into these, so it would mean a lot to me that they not fall to the back burner. Thanks.
Sorry for my part in it. I felt that the subjects we went on about were very connected to where the series went and maybe where it didn't and why. But also, the events in #9 were secondary to the characterization that Wolfman was building with the new Titan members. I didn't remember the events of the issue after all these years, but I did remember that they were potentially leading up to a romantic situation between Vic and Sarah. But, as you wish. Navigating the social norms of online discussion forums is tricky business. The thread doesn't really belong to me; it belongs to the community. That being said, my reviews were positively getting buried to the point that almost no one saw the last one, and that really discouraged me. I feel your pain! A lot of my reviews get little traction as well, which I take as mostly because I'm covering newer material that wouldn't have been considered "classic" when this forum generated its membership years ago. Or maybe I'm just not presenting it in an interesting fashion either. Anyway... This was my first time ever reading this issue. I enjoyed it! A lot of what I noticed has been covered. Not all. For instance: - Slade is in great danger of stealing this series from the Titans. This issue officially vaults him into "most interesting character." We get lots of time hearing him talk, and lots of thought bubbles. He follows his own code and finds a way to kill his employers while fulfilling his obligation to them (he thinks). He's also full of himself, imagining that no one is stronger or faster than him. I wonder whether he's heard of Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, etc.  - The overall plot of this issue seems reworked from the final Doom Patrol story: "The team agrees to lay down its life in exchange for the safety of hostages." Gar is kind enough to remind us of the plot of that story so that we appreciate the parallelism, and Gar himself is apparently the one who really does lay down his life, thus completing the sacrifice of the Doom Patrol -- except that Robotman is up and running again. - Gar's costume is miscolored green on the splash page. Wolfman continues his food-related names for characters with Slade's butler "Wintergreen."  - The fight between Kory and Slade was excellent. I'd put it in my "Top Ten Rumbles" list, but we've already covered it well enough here, so I'll save my list for other good rumbles. We've talked before about how Koriand'r overlaps with both Star Wars' Princess Leia and X-Men's Empress Lilandra. This talk about her evil usurper sister calls to mind Lilandra's evil usurper sister Deathbird. When did Claremont establish that Deathbird was Lilandra's sister? This frame below comes from 1982, after NTT #10.  - How did Slade carry out the invisible missile attack on the aircraft carrier named "F-16"? Why is this American aircraft carrier named after a fighter plane instead of a person or place? Why was it carrying a thermonuclear warhead? Note also that the Navy has a red phone for distress. Is this a usual thing on all naval vessels, or does it refer to the red phone from the Batman TV series?  - Boris Badenov, eh? Where's Natasha?   - This scene is awfully verdant to be set in the Middle East.  - Would Wonder Girl say "Sheesh"? I mean, she would, because she did, but it seems out of character.  - The terrorists' secret meeting is within a glimmering audience hall atop a mesa in the middle of the Grand Canyon, one of the most visited tourist sites on the planet. Are they trying to get caught?  - Why were the Titans lying on the ground before the bomb hit? Slade did not imagine that he had defeated them in some battle just before coming here. Whom were they trying to fool by playing dead?  - I love Slade's snarky awareness of typical villain dialogue upon discovering the heroes survived his overly complicated deathtrap.  - Does Slade usually call them the "New Teen Titans"? Was he familiar with the Old Teen Titans? Does he think of them all as teens? They only think of themselves as "the Titans." We've discussed before how a trademark on that named forced the title of this book to be "New TEEN Titans," but I didn't think that was part of the interior dialogue.  - Am I to understand that Wally was holding "fissionable materials" (presumably either uranium or plutonium) from the stolen Navy bomb in his vibrating hands? Does that protect him from radiation?  - For all Vic's protestations that Sarah is "just a friend," he gives her a hug and calls her "babe." Seems like mixed signals. Yeah, he was just trying to soothe her fright. That's the ticket.  - Check out the action lines of excitement exuded by Robin's head! Very manga.  |
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 20, 2019 17:36:33 GMT -5
Carriers are designated CV, with C for Carrier, and V for Fixed Wing. All carrier hull numbers start CV, though, since the advent of nuclear propulsion, it's CVN (Carrier, Fixed Wing, Nuclear). The closest to a seagoing F is a frigate, which is FF or FFG (guide missile frigate) for the hull numbers. F@#$in g civilians!
The ship would have all kinds of radios, including satellite communication. They are in the form of a telephone handset (that period, anyway). It isn't exactly like the Hotline to the Kremlin, though.
Carriers could, conceivably, be carrying nuclear munitions, for aircraft. I served on a frigate, with the ASROC torpedo launcher. ASROC could be armed with nuclear warheads and we had special lockers to store said warheads, if they were embarked on board, which I could neither confirm nor deny the presence of nuclear weapons on that or any other US Naval vessel. Or so the phrase went.
Now, as far as disabling an aircraft carrier; that isn't so easy. The USS Yorktown (CV-5) was crippled in the Battle of the Coral Sea, yet was brought back to Pearl Harbor, repaired and put out in time for the Battle of Midway (in 48 hours!). The USS Forrestal (CV-59), during the Vietnam War (1967), had an accidental discharge of a Zuni rocket (which were prone to electrical firing failures), which impacted an aircraft, setting off an explosion and fire. Further munitions cooked off and exploded, adding to the fire, until it was a conflagration, threatening to consume the ship. The exploding munitions tore holes in the flight deck and lower decks. Damage control teams were, eventually, able to get the fire under control and extinguished. it continued in service until 1993. It was forever after (affectionately) knwon as the USS Forrest Fire.
With modern carries, only two things will take them out: a torpedo or a nuke. Modern torpedoes have nuclear warheads, to create a shockwave that will lift a ship and cause its own weight to snap it like a twig; but, conventional torpedoes could do the job, if they hit the right areas or if there are enough of them. Naval vessels are capable of shifting ballast to other areas of a ship, as simply as flooding a watertight compartment, to balance another flooded compartment, until the flooding can be contained and the water pumped out, with eductors. The US Navy is probably the finest practitioner of damage control, with the possible exception of the British Navy (we all share techniques and equipment). Also, any frogmen attacking have to deal with the Marine force embarked on board, for security. Comic books and all; but, even Deathstroke would respect a squad of US Marines.
The fissionable materials would be in shielded containers, which would be safe until the igniter comes into contact with said material. One presumes that Wally's vibrations prevented the igniter from coming into contact with the material, somehow. He wouldn't necessarily have to hold said fissionable material, if he could generate vibrations through the shielding. Or something..
Wonder Girl's been around the Titans enough to pick up a "sheesh" or two. I'm as WASP as you get, yet use Yiddish phrases all the time. Oy, gevalt; watch enough Jewish comedians over 50 years and you pick this stuff up! If Raven does it, then I would say we are seeing a character error (well, at this stage; not in a later Titans issue).
Said it before and I will say it again; Perez cannot draw firearms. It get's really bad when he draws Deathstroke's origin story, in the Judas Contract. Couldn't draw military berets, either; but, not everyone can be Mike Grell (Simonson sucked at it too; see my Doctor Who comments, in Land of the Misfit Stories).
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 20, 2019 17:41:47 GMT -5
Carriers are designated CV, with C for Carrier, and V for Fixed Wing. All carrier hull numbers start CV, though, since the advent of nuclear propulsion, it's CVN. The closest to a seagoing F if a frigate, which is FF or FFG (guide missile frigate) for the hull numbers. F@#$in g civilians! The ship would have all kinds of radios, including satellite communication. They are in the form of a telephone handset (that period, anyway). It isn't exactly like the Hotline to the Kremlin, though) Carriers could, conceivably, be carrying nuclear munitions, for aircraft. I served on a frigate, with the ASROC torpedo launcher. ASROC could be armed with nuclear warheads and we had special lockers to store said warheads, if they were embarked on board, which I could neither confirm nor deny the presence of nuclear weapons on that or any other US Naval vessel. Or so the phrase went. Now, as far as disabling an aircraft carrier; that isn't so easy. The USS Yorktown (CV-5)was crippled in the Battle of the Coral Sea, yet was brought back to Pearl harbor, repaired and put out in time for the Battle of Midway (in 48 hours!). The USS Forrestal (CV-59), during the Vietnam War (1967), had an accidental discharge of a Zuni rocket (which were prone to electrical firing failures), which impacted an aircraft, setting off an explosion and fire. Further munitions cooked off and exploded, adding to the fire, until it was a conflagration, threatening to consume the ship. The exploding munitions tore holes in the flight deck and lower decks. Damage control teams were, eventually, able to get the fire under control and extinguished. This falls in the category similar to what Slam_Bradley wrote in another thread that he can't watch any Lawyer shows because of the incredibly made up stuff that isn't even close to real life. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 20, 2019 17:48:41 GMT -5
Carriers are designated CV, with C for Carrier, and V for Fixed Wing. All carrier hull numbers start CV, though, since the advent of nuclear propulsion, it's CVN. The closest to a seagoing F if a frigate, which is FF or FFG (guide missile frigate) for the hull numbers. F@#$in g civilians! The ship would have all kinds of radios, including satellite communication. They are in the form of a telephone handset (that period, anyway). It isn't exactly like the Hotline to the Kremlin, though) Carriers could, conceivably, be carrying nuclear munitions, for aircraft. I served on a frigate, with the ASROC torpedo launcher. ASROC could be armed with nuclear warheads and we had special lockers to store said warheads, if they were embarked on board, which I could neither confirm nor deny the presence of nuclear weapons on that or any other US Naval vessel. Or so the phrase went. Now, as far as disabling an aircraft carrier; that isn't so easy. The USS Yorktown (CV-5)was crippled in the Battle of the Coral Sea, yet was brought back to Pearl harbor, repaired and put out in time for the Battle of Midway (in 48 hours!). The USS Forrestal (CV-59), during the Vietnam War (1967), had an accidental discharge of a Zuni rocket (which were prone to electrical firing failures), which impacted an aircraft, setting off an explosion and fire. Further munitions cooked off and exploded, adding to the fire, until it was a conflagration, threatening to consume the ship. The exploding munitions tore holes in the flight deck and lower decks. Damage control teams were, eventually, able to get the fire under control and extinguished. This falls in the category similar to what Slam_Bradley wrote in another thread that he can't watch any Lawyer shows because of the incredibly made up stuff that isn't even close to real life. Which is why I can't watch Under Siege, apart from Seagal's horrible acting. And the hack writing, plot holes, .....aw, it sucks even without being a naval veteran. Now, McHale's Navy (tv series), that is the way the Navy should have been!  However, I was more answering Rberman's note of F-16 for a carrier; but, in for a penny, in for a pound. When we get to The Judas Contract and Deathstroke's origin, you will then see my impression of Scanners.  " src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/superangry.png"> |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 20, 2019 17:51:49 GMT -5
This falls in the category similar to what Slam_Bradley wrote in another thread that he can't watch any Lawyer shows because of the incredibly made up stuff that isn't even close to real life. Which is why I can't watch Under Siege, apart from Seagal's horrible acting. And the hack writing, plot holes, .....aw, it sucks even without being a naval veteran. Now, McHale's Navy (tv series), that is the way the Navy should have been! However, I was more answering Rberman's note of F-16 for a carrier; but, in for a penny, in for a pound. When we get to The Judas Contract and Deathstroke's origin, you will then see my impression of Scanners. " src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/superangry.png"> At the risk of drifting this thread too much, These days these types of inaccurate facts can be negated by doing a quick internet search. Back in the 80's you had to go to the library or know someone who knew about War ships. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 20, 2019 17:54:50 GMT -5
My question, though, is how Deathstroke moves stealthily, wearing all of that chain mail, with sword and blast-staff dangling & banging around, and in the big, clumsy boots? That must take 95% brain capacity to not make noise!
Oh, wait, I know; he uses a silencer!
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 20, 2019 18:44:49 GMT -5
My question, though, is how Deathstroke moves stealthily, wearing all of that chain mail, with sword and blast-staff dangling & banging around, and in the big, clumsy boots? That must take 95% brain capacity to not make noise! Oh, wait, I know; he uses a silencer! Stop trampling my Youth !  |
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Post by dbutler69 on Jun 21, 2019 9:06:42 GMT -5
My question, though, is how Deathstroke moves stealthily, wearing all of that chain mail, with sword and blast-staff dangling & banging around, and in the big, clumsy boots? That must take 95% brain capacity to not make noise! Oh, wait, I know; he uses a silencer! Stop trampling my Youth ! Yeah, I try not to think too much of things like that, or it spoils my enjoyment a bit. Suspension of disbelief - up to a point. |
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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 21, 2019 11:41:28 GMT -5
I didn't pick up an issue of NTT until #12 so have been waiting in the wings, although I did get some of the previous issues (including multiple #1s) after the fact. Maybe I can recall some sort of of the time reactions? I compared it to both X-Men and Perez Avengers then as what I had been exposed to before and thought Starfire was a bit Phoenix-ish (with maybe a pinch of Charo?) and that Changeling was the one I could most see walking into an X-Men comic as a mutant. The basic structure of a team reminded me of The Avengers more with Robin being the Captain America figure, Starfire being roughly akin to Thor and Ms. Marvel and Raven as the Scarlet Witch. Cyborg the Vision? Barely, he was much more human without having the level of angst about whether he was. Maybe Cyborg was more Iron Man then. I think liking NTT led me to try Legion Of Super-Heroes staring with #283 which joined it as an every month regular for me where I think I had only been buying Green Lantern before that with a Batman or Flash now and then. I had tried the first couple issues of All Star Squadron but then didn't stick with it (sorry Roy T.)
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