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Post by rberman on Jun 10, 2020 7:18:40 GMT -5
He credited Gizmo with giving him the rocket contraption. That doesn't necessarily imply the Fearsome Five are still around. Why would they wait for/prepare for Dr. Light? They stopped respecting him in their very first appearance. I was more thinking that they were still using the base for themselves, and maybe they hadn't discarded his extra suit. Could be. Also, I now notice that Vic didn't speak; it was actually Changeling sitting as a monkey on Vic's shoulder. Green monkey, green background, but I should have read more carefully.  |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 10, 2020 9:40:40 GMT -5
Hawkman would appear in Shadow War of Hawkman; but, that wasn't until 1985. I don't recall anything else of note. Could be trademark maintenance. Admittedly, my knowledge of comic book law is lacking, but I thought a guest appearance could only maintain the copyright, not the trademark. Copyrights protect creative or intellectual works such as books, comics, flims, songs, etc. At the time it was for 75 years for corporate properties. Trademarks apply to commercial names, phrases, and logos such as Hawkman or the Bat symbol. Trademarks are effectively perpetual as long as the owner continues to use the name and defends against other uses. Copyrights expire though the term has been extended multiple times, with January 1, 2020 being the first time anything entered the public domain in over 20 years. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 10, 2020 9:44:50 GMT -5
this one?  Much as I always loved the concept of that issue, the costume was a total eyesore from my standpoint. It came up several times in my Batman Family review thread that Bob Rozakis had pushed hard for a new Robin costume, but that the powers that be had determined it needed to remain the same for commercial and merchandising purposes. Of course, Jason Todd's introduction is only ten months away, and that will free up Wolfman and Perez to do whatever they want to with Dick. Here's probably my favorite Dick Grayson Robin costume concept, from Detective Comics #481:  Worth noting that the costume design was submitted by a reader named Paul Decker and incorporated into the actual story, as Robin tries on a series of new costumes, all submitted by fans. Sure seems like the mask design influenced Nightwing's iconic mask, unless there is an earlier common inspiration for both costume designs that I'm missing. This one.....  |
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Post by Chris on Jun 10, 2020 12:07:27 GMT -5
Hawkman would appear in Shadow War of Hawkman; but, that wasn't until 1985. I don't recall anything else of note. Could be trademark maintenance. Admittedly, my knowledge of comic book law is lacking, but I thought a guest appearance could only maintain the copyright, not the trademark. I doubt it even had anything to do with that, Since Hawkman was regularly appearing in World's Finest Comics at the time. Although he was removed from the book a few months later, when it went from being a Dollar Comic to a standard size comic. Then he mentions the Legion of Super-Heroes, which must be another fourth wall-breaking aside, since I can't think how he'd know they exist. 
Everybody knows about the Legion of Super-Heroes. Superman even has a big honkin' section dedicated to them in his museum, loaded with statues!  He even flat out tells everyone that the Legion lives in the future. Now you know why everyone in Metropolis is so laid back about supervillains and alien invasions - it's not just because they have Superman protecting them, it's that they know the city won't be destroyed anytime in the next thousand years. Besides, Gar hangs out with Robin, who has been to Superman's Fortress of Solitude innumerable times and visited the Bottle City of Kandor.* No doubt Robin has told the Titans all about "my good buddy Superman" including the Legion stuff. * Knowing about Kandor is how Robin got the idea for his "Nightwing" identity. He was emulating Superman and Jimmy Olsen, who visited Kandor and disguised themselves as "Nightwing and Flamebird," which was Superman and Jimmy openly emulating.... Batman and Robin. It all gets so circular. |
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Post by shaxper on Jun 10, 2020 15:22:48 GMT -5
Admittedly, my knowledge of comic book law is lacking, but I thought a guest appearance could only maintain the copyright, not the trademark. Copyrights protect creative or intellectual works such as books, comics, flims, songs, etc. At the time it was for 75 years for corporate properties. Trademarks apply to commercial names, phrases, and logos such as Hawkman or the Bat symbol. Trademarks are effectively perpetual as long as the owner continues to use the name and defends against other uses. Copyrights expire though the term has been extended multiple times, with January 1, 2020 being the first time anything entered the public domain in over 20 years. So Hawkman appearing in someone else's title still perpetuates the trademark? How often did the trademark have to be used? Thanks much for this, slam! |
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Post by shaxper on Jun 10, 2020 15:23:37 GMT -5
This one..... Ah. I'd forgotten about that one. Excellent choice. |
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Post by MDG on Jun 10, 2020 15:50:32 GMT -5
Copyrights protect creative or intellectual works such as books, comics, flims, songs, etc. At the time it was for 75 years for corporate properties. Trademarks apply to commercial names, phrases, and logos such as Hawkman or the Bat symbol. Trademarks are effectively perpetual as long as the owner continues to use the name and defends against other uses. Copyrights expire though the term has been extended multiple times, with January 1, 2020 being the first time anything entered the public domain in over 20 years. How often did the trademark have to be used? Thanks much for this, slam! Apparently--I'd heard that if DC needed to bump a character's trademark, they'd stick 'em in an issue of Brave and Bold with Batman. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 10, 2020 16:16:40 GMT -5
Copyrights protect creative or intellectual works such as books, comics, flims, songs, etc. At the time it was for 75 years for corporate properties. Trademarks apply to commercial names, phrases, and logos such as Hawkman or the Bat symbol. Trademarks are effectively perpetual as long as the owner continues to use the name and defends against other uses. Copyrights expire though the term has been extended multiple times, with January 1, 2020 being the first time anything entered the public domain in over 20 years. So Hawkman appearing in someone else's title still perpetuates the trademark? How often did the trademark have to be used? Thanks much for this, slam! Registered trademarks have to be renewed every 10 years. That's the default period for determining if a trademark has been abandoned. They also have to be defended. If someone is using your trademark and you make no effort to protect it you can end up losing it. |
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Post by rberman on Jun 10, 2020 16:34:50 GMT -5
Everybody knows about the Legion of Super-Heroes. Superman even has a big honkin' section dedicated to them in his museum, loaded with statues! And scanning people into action figures is a thing we can do today. Science! Wait.... did the Legion give Superboy a statuette of Supergirl? Spoilers! |
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Post by shaxper on Jun 10, 2020 16:36:59 GMT -5
So Hawkman appearing in someone else's title still perpetuates the trademark? How often did the trademark have to be used? Thanks much for this, slam! Registered trademarks have to be renewed every 10 years. That's the default period for determining if a trademark has been abandoned. They also have to be defended. If someone is using your trademark and you make no effort to protect it you can end up losing it. So there is no requirement for the character to appear in print during that time? This would not have been a reason for Hawkman suddenly guest appearing in New Teen Titans and Brave and the Bold? |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 10, 2020 17:02:03 GMT -5
Registered trademarks have to be renewed every 10 years. That's the default period for determining if a trademark has been abandoned. They also have to be defended. If someone is using your trademark and you make no effort to protect it you can end up losing it. So there is no requirement for the character to appear in print during that time? This would not have been a reason for Hawkman suddenly guest appearing in New Teen Titans and Brave and the Bold? As MDG pointed out, one of the reasons (not by any means the only one) for Team-up books was Trademark preservation. If Aquarius or Woodgod shows up in MTIO every seven years or so then you don't have to worry about losing the trademark on that name for use in funnybooks. |
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Post by dbutler69 on Jun 11, 2020 11:19:37 GMT -5
So there is no requirement for the character to appear in print during that time? This would not have been a reason for Hawkman suddenly guest appearing in New Teen Titans and Brave and the Bold? As MDG pointed out, one of the reasons (not by any means the only one) for Team-up books was Trademark preservation. If Aquarius or Woodgod shows up in MTIO every seven years or so then you don't have to worry about losing the trademark on that name for use in funnybooks. Wouldn't the name more or less have to appear on the cover (thus being used in advertising) as opposed to just being in the book's interior in order to help protect the trademark? Thus having them in Team-up books gets the name on the cover. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 11, 2020 11:28:45 GMT -5
As MDG pointed out, one of the reasons (not by any means the only one) for Team-up books was Trademark preservation. If Aquarius or Woodgod shows up in MTIO every seven years or so then you don't have to worry about losing the trademark on that name for use in funnybooks. Wouldn't the name more or less have to appear on the cover (thus being used in advertising) as opposed to just being in the book's interior in order to help protect the trademark? Thus having them in Team-up books gets the name on the cover. I don't know off the top of my head. I'm a lot more conversant in copyright law than in trademarks, but any intellectual property law is a hobby for me. A quick Google doesn't really turn up anything. If I have some time I'll try to look into it. |
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Post by dbutler69 on Jun 11, 2020 14:59:53 GMT -5
Wouldn't the name more or less have to appear on the cover (thus being used in advertising) as opposed to just being in the book's interior in order to help protect the trademark? Thus having them in Team-up books gets the name on the cover. I don't know off the top of my head. I'm a lot more conversant in copyright law than in trademarks, but any intellectual property law is a hobby for me. A quick Google doesn't really turn up anything. If I have some time I'll try to look into it. It would be interesting if you could find it out. I'm thinking that's got something to do with why DC can still have a character named Captain Marvel (though I guess the recently gave up on that) but his name can't appear on the cover of the comic, only in the interior. If it appears on the cover, or in any other form of marketing, Marvel could bust them. I'm no expert, but that's my feeble understanding of it. |
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Post by spoon on Jun 12, 2020 22:47:45 GMT -5
Two other things I noticed: Isn't "Kryszewski" a Polish name, not Russian?  Yes, it is, although I guess Robin might not know that. And both Polish and Russian names can have that ending by spelled differently. The Polish alphabet is a Latin alphabet like English and has names with the "ski" ending. Of course, Russian uses the Cyrillic alphabet, but I normally see that ending to a name transliterated in Russian names as "sky" or sometimes (usually in older sources) as "skiy". |
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