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Post by rberman on Apr 12, 2019 13:23:18 GMT -5
This is comic book-related, right?
I dunno. It looks fine as far as a couple of scene fragments go. I just felt so let down by The Last Jedi's total fumbling, and how it showed that nobody sober was in the driver's seat of this franchise. But for all its errors, one thing The Last Jedi did was send the message that we need to stop thinking about the Star Wars universe in terms of the Skywalkers. So now the next film is called "The Rise of Skywalker"?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 12, 2019 13:40:21 GMT -5
Indeed it is! Nice teaser. Positive points so far : (a) the title suggests that Ray might turn out to be someone after all, resuming the plot line that Episode VII had set up, and ignoring Episode VIII's ill-inspired change in story direction. I mean, I would have been fine with Ray being just some random individual with natural affinities for the Force... but not after Episode VII gave us so many hints of her being somehow linked with Luke and/or the Jedi. (b) It was good to see Lando . (c) «Heh-heh-heh-heh-heh».... A Force ghost? An echo in someone's head? In any case... spooky. |
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Post by Randle-El on Apr 12, 2019 14:19:51 GMT -5
This is comic book-related, right? I dunno. It looks fine as far as a couple of scene fragments go. I just felt so let down by The Last Jedi's total fumbling, and how it showed that nobody sober was in the driver's seat of this franchise. But for all its errors, one thing The Last Jedi did was send the message that we need to stop thinking about the Star Wars universe in terms of the Skywalkers. So now the next film is called "The Rise of Skywalker"? I read this somewhere online, forgot where exactly -- but there's a theory floating around out there that "Skywalker", although thus far known to us as the family name of the central Jedi characters in the Star Wars saga, may actually mean something more. That it may in fact be a title for a specific powerful Force user that became the last name for the Skywalker family. The implication being that Rey could both be a Skywalker (the title) and not a Skywalker (the family). EDIT: Here's the theory. screenrant.com/star-wars-9-theory-rey-skywalker/ |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 14:24:30 GMT -5
Biiiiilllllyyyyy Deeeeee! Woo Hoo!
-M
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Post by EdoBosnar on Apr 12, 2019 14:35:57 GMT -5
Biiiiilllllyyyyy Deeeeee! Woo Hoo! -M Yeah, that's pretty much my main takeaway from this. About damn time... |
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Post by rberman on Apr 12, 2019 14:41:59 GMT -5
This is comic book-related, right? I dunno. It looks fine as far as a couple of scene fragments go. I just felt so let down by The Last Jedi's total fumbling, and how it showed that nobody sober was in the driver's seat of this franchise. But for all its errors, one thing The Last Jedi did was send the message that we need to stop thinking about the Star Wars universe in terms of the Skywalkers. So now the next film is called "The Rise of Skywalker"? I read this somewhere online, forgot where exactly -- but there's a theory floating around out there that "Skywalker", although thus far known to us as the family name of the central Jedi characters in the Star Wars saga, may actually mean something more. That it may in fact be a title for a specific powerful Force user that became the last name for the Skywalker family. The implication being that Rey could both be a Skywalker (the title) and not a Skywalker (the family). EDIT: Here's the theory. screenrant.com/star-wars-9-theory-rey-skywalker/They may very well try some sort of re-imagining of what a "Skywalker" is. That's fine. We already know where Skywalker comes from. Like all other good things, it comes from Jack Kirby.  |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 12, 2019 14:47:07 GMT -5
That trailer doesn't tell us much of anything plot wise... it seems that 'some time has passed' since the last movie, which I read as 'We know we f-ed up the plot so now 'time passes' and it gets to where we want without telling you how'.
I still want Rey to either be Obi-Wan's granddaughter (with the Mandolarian woman from the cartoons whose name escapes me at the moment), or related to Ezra Bridger. Her being a Skywalker would have to be massively convoluted.
I do find it..odd... that they're trying to sell us on a new generation of characters while calling the movie 'the Rise of Skywalker'
Maybe that 'tile not a name' theory's got something.
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Post by Confessor on Apr 12, 2019 19:29:30 GMT -5
Terrible title. Arguably even worse than Attack of the Clones (and that's really saying something).
I feel nothing watching that trailer. No joy, no excitement, and no desire to watch the film it's advertising. The only sensation I registered was annoyance at seeing the wooden Daisy Ridley on screen again. I don't care about Rey's story and I never have. She's simply not a good enough character.
I'm sure that this will be another f***ing terrible film, that further cheapens and devalues the original trilogy and the SW franchise as a whole. I felt "meh" about The Force Awakens and absolutely hated The Last Jedi, and I've never seen a J.J. Abrams film that I've actually liked. There's no reason to believe this will be any different, and, frankly, even if it is, it's too late. The sequel trilogy will still always be two thirds crap...at least.
At this point, I couldn't care less about a new Star Wars film.
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Post by Duragizer on Apr 13, 2019 4:30:28 GMT -5
Looks like more of the same nihilistic trash this franchise has come to exemplify.
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Post by Confessor on Apr 13, 2019 6:08:04 GMT -5
You know, I'm much more excited about the Game of Thrones final season than I am anything to do with Star Wars. That's a really terrible state of affairs, considering what a nutzoid SW obsessive I've been since the tender age of 5. The fact that I simply don't care anymore about SW is, for me, a damning indictment on the makers of the sequel trilogy. As flawed as they were, even the prequels never made me stop caring about SW.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 7:35:03 GMT -5
I think, given the ambivalence towards the Star Trek and Star Wars franchises (on the big screen), maybe Paramount and Disney should co-operate and give us a crossover. It's about time we got to see Spock put the Vulcan Nerve Pinch on Vader...
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 13, 2019 7:40:16 GMT -5
You know, I'm much more excited about the Game of Thrones final season than I am anything to do with Star Wars. That's a really terrible state of affairs, considering what a nutzoid SW obsessive I've been since the tender age of 5. The fact that I simply don't care anymore about SW is, for me, a damning indictment on the makers of the sequel trilogy. As flawed as they were, even the prequels never made me stop caring about SW. If you’re in the same boat I’m in, it’s because the final season of Game of Thrones is the conclusion of an engaging story with a beginning, a development and a conclusion we’re curious to witness. Star Wars is a story already told, currently being used as a money-printing machine. Sometimes the exercise results in a good tale, as with Rogue one, but mostly we get a generic rehashing of old material with a few “shocking” moments meant to trick us into thinking this might matter. It’s like how Bilbo described his artificially long life in Lord of the Rings... butter being spread too thin on a slice of bread. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Apr 13, 2019 9:18:57 GMT -5
Indeed it is! Nice teaser. Positive points so far : (a) the title suggests that Ray might turn out to be someone after all, resuming the plot line that Episode VII had set up, and ignoring Episode VIII's ill-inspired change in story direction. I mean, I would have been fine with Ray being just some random individual with natural affinities for the Force... but not after Episode VII gave us so many hints of her being somehow linked with Luke and/or the Jedi. (b) It was good to see Lando . (c) «Heh-heh-heh-heh-heh».... A Force ghost? An echo in someone's head? In any case... spooky. I liked her being a "nobody" so hopefully that sticks. The set up that she was more and connected to Luke was largely just fan theory, even when directly pressed about the theory after the film JJ's response was to laugh and say that her heritage was explicitly laid out in TFA...and the only explicit reference was that she was abandoned by a pair of drifters. Still and all, I know this is just a teaser but it really does nothing to muster up any excitement in me which is damning because even the teaser for the Last Jedi did that and I was really let down by the Force Awakens. I'm more excited for the Mandalorian at this point. |
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Post by tarkintino on Apr 13, 2019 11:26:00 GMT -5
Terrible title. Arguably even worse than Attack of the Clones (and that's really saying something). I feel nothing watching that trailer. No joy, no excitement, and no desire to watch the film it's advertising. The only sensation I registered was annoyance at seeing the wooden Daisy Ridley on screen again. I don't care about Rey's story and I never have. She's simply not a good enough character. I'm sure that this will be another f***ing terrible film, that further cheapens and devalues the original trilogy and the SW franchise as a whole. I felt "meh" about The Force Awakens and absolutely hated The Last Jedi, and I've never seen a J.J. Abrams film that I've actually liked. There's no reason to believe this will be any different, and, frankly, even if it is, it's too late. The sequel trilogy will still always be two thirds crap...at least. At this point, I couldn't care less about a new Star Wars film. I must agree. This sequel trilogy has been such an agenda-driven, directionless mess, that at all cost, it had to reduce the original characters to nostalgic roadblocks--in the way of the new group finding themselves. So why were the OT characters there at all, since none of them really help the plot move forward? Two films in the can, and Rey has no character development; all she does is scowl (I guess that means she's a "badass"), and if there was a hidden relation, one would think that would have been hinted at in TLJ, as a counter to Ren saying her parents were a couple of drunks. She's just there for reasons that do not help the films, and despite the screams from Disney Tower about progressive directions taken in the sequel trilogy, the most natural relationship (friendship and potentially romantic) of all--Rey and Finn--was all but burned to the ground by Rian Johnson and the forced Rose shoehorned subplot. Hmm. I wonder why... In TLJ, its clear something from a early draft (that tried to build on TFA before Johnson subverted it) must have survived into the final draft, as Finn is eager to reunite with her, while Rey begins to tell Chewbacca to tell Finn something, which he finishes...but its not translated on screen. Yet we're supposed to believe that Finn now has eyes for Rose, all because she saved him and gave him some hollow "love" speech, or Rey now has an interest in Poe? Bleh. Gutless on the part of Kennedy, Johnson, et al., and I have no hope that TROS will place the Finn/Rey relationship back on its natural course. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 13, 2019 12:42:43 GMT -5
Indeed it is! Nice teaser. Positive points so far : (a) the title suggests that Ray might turn out to be someone after all, resuming the plot line that Episode VII had set up, and ignoring Episode VIII's ill-inspired change in story direction. I mean, I would have been fine with Ray being just some random individual with natural affinities for the Force... but not after Episode VII gave us so many hints of her being somehow linked with Luke and/or the Jedi. (b) It was good to see Lando . (c) «Heh-heh-heh-heh-heh».... A Force ghost? An echo in someone's head? In any case... spooky. I liked her being a "nobody" so hopefully that sticks. The set up that she was more and connected to Luke was largely just fan theory, even when directly pressed about the theory after the film JJ's response was to laugh and say that her heritage was explicitly laid out in TFA...and the only explicit reference was that she was abandoned by a pair of drifters. Mmmh, I must respectfully disagree. Ray knew that she could use the force to influence other people’s minds just the way a Jedi would, which suggests she had been exposed to that kind of training before (even if it was at so young an age that she didn’t exactly recall who might have trained her). After all, why would a Ms. Nobody decide, out of the blue, to order a stormtrooper to free her and drop his weapon? She didn’t seem to be into the mind influencing business before, as witnessed by her problems on Jakku. Ray is an outstanding natural pilot, just like Anakin and Luke were. Not conclusive, but still an 8nteresting coincidence. She was also called by Luke’s lightsaber all the way to an ill-lit basement, and when she touched it she was overwhelmed by some kind of psychic vision that mostly concerned Luke, but included her being abandoned on Jakku. Plus Maz Kanata said “that lightsaber was Luke's. And his father's before him and now, it calls to you.” JJ Abrams might have said that it was all a red herring (I didn’t really follow the fan press on the issue, I must admit) but to me it really looks as if he meant Rey to be Luke’s daughter, a daughter he separated from for her own safety when he disappeared (kind of like Decker in Blade Runner 2049). Again, I wouldn’t have minded Ray being totally unrelated to our old heroes... but after all those hints, her not being Luke’s daughter was like Jon Snow being revealed not to be Lyanna’s and Raeghar’s son after all. |
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