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Post by k7p5v on Apr 14, 2019 15:33:13 GMT -5
IMHO, Ron Lim was a star but ever so briefly. I say this only because of his high-profile work on the Infinity trilogy.
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 14, 2019 15:47:34 GMT -5
I agree. He was hot with the Silver Surfer run and the Infinity books but kind of faded away afterwards.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Apr 14, 2019 18:20:14 GMT -5
All the restJim Aparo? Dick Ayers Marie Severin John Severin Don Heck George Tuska Billy Graham Dick Dillan Joe Staton Ross Andru Carmine Infantino Ron Frenz Bob Hall Don Perlin Mark Bright Adrian Gonzales Greg Laroque Steve Epting ? Norm Breyfogle ? Steve Erwin Kevin McGuire Tom Grummet Mark Bagley Greg Capullo ? Steve Dillon ? Sorry for anyone that I didn't list. The people with question marks are artists that might be considered stars. I tried to list the people that had a body of work and not artists that left quickly after a few years. Who would you include ? I agree with most of these as second-tier artists in fan perception. Except Infantino is absolutely top tier. He launched the Silver Age of superhero comics, is one of the most important and revered of Julie Schwartz' stable of '60s artists with Gil Kane, and is still the # 1 Flash artist of all time. His questionable later work doesn't undermine the importance of his stuff in the '60s. And Capullo is probably a top 5 superhero artist right now. Aparo is allllmooooost A tier, but not quite. Everyone else I agree with, as much as I like their stuff personally.
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Post by tarkintino on Apr 14, 2019 19:57:08 GMT -5
I must strongly disagree with four names on your lists: After the Infantino revolution, Novick's arguably greatest contribution to comics was his ushering in a dramatic, mature look to Batman that certainly set the natural stage for the Adams era. Novick also saved readers from the grade school scribbling of Moldoff, who did more to prove the criticism that comics used great covers as the lure, only to have terrible interiors. Easily a star, long before he was known as the "next best" artist to illustrate Batman after Adams. One of the best ever to work at DC. Underrated master. There was not a genre he could not transform into his own. Even if one limits analysis of his work to Cracked, he was as much a defining force for that magazine as Mort Drucker was for MAD, which comes close to meaning he was the magazine. Come on. He's one of the greatest of all artists in the medium's history, as penciller, designer, art director and creator. There's almost no end to his historic inventions, additions, revisions and iconic images that played a major role in reshaping and saving the superhero comic (and other genres), and that started with his legendary art.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 20:32:14 GMT -5
Jim Aparo Ross Andru Carmine Infantino Irv Novick
All are in the top tier especially when they were in their prime.
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 15, 2019 0:16:01 GMT -5
Infantino isn't popular with (younger) fans, but among other artists, he'd probably be considered top tier. Ditto both Severins. Especially pre-Marvel Infantino.
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Post by berkley on Apr 15, 2019 0:45:17 GMT -5
I'm more interested in what I like myself rather than who's a star in terms of popularity. I mean, Jim Lee and Rob Liefield have been stars in their day - Lee probably still is, I suppose - but that doesn't make me want to look at any of their comics.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Apr 15, 2019 1:42:31 GMT -5
Sal Buscema
The "Face" of Marvel for me. Fine. Solid Storyteller, but kind of like all steak, no sizzle. I'm never like "Wow! Look at that!" I liked his later Spder-man work the best.
Rich Buckler
I would probably like him a lot if you guys hadn't told me about all the swipes. I really liked the Superman vs. Shazam treasury.
Pat Broderick
I'm not super familiar with his stuff but he's definitely a unique stylist - His style is instantly recognizable. He kind of reminds me of a self-taught golden age artist. Kinda weird, but I dig it.
Keith Pollard
I had to look up what he did and I've read a lot of his stuff - just not recently. He... seems... fine? Some interesting movement effects.
Paul Ryan
Drew the Avengers, ight? Kind of in the lost early '90s era where I haven't read much Marvel at all. Crap I turned off the insert key while spot-editing this post and now I don't know how to turn it back on. I guess I'll just leave that as "ight" rather than trying to fix it.
Bob Brown
Had a loooong damn career and I actually like his stuff a lot. Did some great, freaky, really dark and horror-tinged work on Daredevil with Marv Wolfman.
Irv Novick Weirdly under-rated, considering how many high profile assignments he had. Had been working in comics forever by the '70s, but his stuff felt just as dramatic and cool as the younger guys.
Ron Lim
'90s guy. Not really my era.
Paul Pelletier
Heard the name, no idea what he did.
OK I HAVE READ A BUNCH OF HIS STUFF. I guess he never had a super-long run on any one book I read regularly. Looks quite good, actually.
Brent Anderson
Really good, really good at subtle emotions and quiet moments, which doesn't get you the Neal Adams/Jim Lee kind of accolades I guess. Did my favorite X-men story ever.
Jim Aparo?
Ok, can we just talk about how few pencillers could draw Bob Haney's Brave and the Bold which changed characters, tone, and even freaking genre every issue. Aparo could draw freaking anything, and make it dramatic and cool. The Haney/Aparo B&B is a top five superhero fun for me. Way worse when not inking his own stuff.
Dick Ayers
Seems like a super-nice guy, was a fine replacement for Kirby on a couple books. Could pace a visual joke, which is a lost art among bronze-age-and-later pencillers.
Marie Severin
Instantly recognizable stylist, freaking amazing, it's a damn shame that cartoonists are not as highly valued among comic geeks as *pah* "artists" like the Image guys. I wish I could turn the insert key back on, I ended up retyping that three times.
John Severin
One of the top "texture" artists in the game. (If that makes any sense.) Created a sense of immersive realism with everything he did which allowed for more mature and thematically rich stories. Just so, so good.
Don Heck
Not a great superhero artist, ever, but a very good horror and suspense artist. Just go back and check out the storytelling in the first Iron Man story in Tales of Suspense # 39. (Alright, or probably a reprint smartass.) It's a master class in mounting tension.
George Tuska
Well, I can recognize his style. Another guy I'm not sure was a great fit for superheroes.
Billy Graham
So. Billy Graham's Black Panther is the most creative and innovative Marvel book of the '70s in terms of storytelling. He was the closest to an Eisner of his generation at a time when "house style" was the watchword.
Dick Dillan
Sometimes really good... There are a couple times when I'm amazed by the emotional power of his storytelling. Usually just.. kind of... okay. Took a bunch of thankless assignments where he had to draw a crap-ton of characters which probably didn't help. I heard he was better on non-superhero stuff but I haven't read much Blackhawk or the like.
Joe Staton
Another great horror artist. I'm more familiar with his Charlton work than his DC stuff. Another guy that never felt like a superhero artist to me.
Ross Andru
Amazingly damn good humor cartoonist. Not a fan of his superhero stuff unless he had an inker who would take a freaking foot of sandpaper to his rough edges or just go all wacky and weird like Bill Everett did inking that first Defenders story. Never really liked him with Esposito.
Carmine Infantino
One of the best of his generation turned the hackiest of hacks. Kind of sad.
Ron Frenz
Seemed solid in an old-school sort of way. Listen, mainstream comics for me kind of stopped in 1979 and stared again about 2001. He's one of those grey area dudes.
Bob Hall
Really liked him on Squadron Supreme which I am re-reading. Drew the Saturday Night Live issue of Marvel Team-Up, and did the best drawing of Jane Curtin it is possible to do.
Don Perlin
*Googles* Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Werewolf By Night. Noooo.... Opinion.
Mark Bright
Icon is my favorite superhero book of the '90s. It's another one of those that took a lot of different storytelling skills to make work, and he pulled it off.
Adrian Gonzales
*Googles* Oh yeah, All Star Squadron. Noooo... Opinion.
Greg Laroque
So did not actually draw any of Suicide Squad, I was wrong. Did some Marvel Team-Up, which wasn't great. Did he do some Legion in the meantime? Anyway, drew Flash in the '90s and had improved a lot.
Steve Epting ?
Was around for a while and then drew the Ed Brubaker Captain America run. I am the only person on earth who didn't care for the Ed Brubaker Captain America run. No opinion.
Norm Breyfogle ?
Seemed pretty damn good. I dunno, '80s Batman comics are just not my jam, though.
Steve Erwin
Freaking who? Never even heard the name. *Googles* Yeah, I guess I read those issues of Grimjack a decade ago.
Kevin McGuire
Damned fine cartoonist,semed to move away from comics before he turned into a hyuge star. I love JLA/JLE/JLI.
Tom Grummet
Quite liked his Superboy run. (I DO read some things from the '90s!) A solid dramatic artist and a strong cartoonist.
Mark Bagley
The Sal Buscema of the '90s and '00s, which is a compliment and yet not a compliment. Did the Trinity min-series with Kurt Busiek which is absolutely bonkers and by far my favorite moving-corporate-characters-around thing Busiek ever did, so I'll always be a fan of that.
Greg Capullo ?
Drew Spawn, I less-than-don't-care-about Spawn. Drew Batman and I was like OH MY GOD!!!! *Jawdrop* Great artist, actually. Weird.
Steve Dillon ?
None of his stuff ever quite connected with me, although I think he was a great "body language" artist. Sad he just died.[]
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Post by brutalis on Apr 15, 2019 7:40:44 GMT -5
I refuse to "RANK" artists in any way or format. I likes what I likes and that's all that matters. Art is very subjective and NO LIST is ever going to be accurate as it is based upon every individuals perception as to what THEY like and don't like. I prefer to sit back and enjoy any and every artist looking for and finding things that I can enjoy and appreciate. Don't have time for negativity, prefer to praise those individuals (both artists and writers) who create comic books, newspaper strips and children's books for the masses.
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Post by badwolf on Apr 15, 2019 9:32:53 GMT -5
Infantino isn't popular with (younger) fans, but among other artists, he'd probably be considered top tier. Ditto both Severins. Especially pre-Marvel Infantino. Wow, I think his Marvel stuff is way better.
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Post by String on Apr 15, 2019 17:49:30 GMT -5
The artists who immediately spring to mind (in no order whatsoever)
Ron Lim Tom Grummett Paul Smith Tom Mandrake Ron Frenz Mike Wieringo Mike McKone
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 15, 2019 18:00:10 GMT -5
I left Dan Jurgens off my list because I always felt he was one special project away from being a star.
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 15, 2019 18:01:22 GMT -5
Especially pre-Marvel Infantino. Wow, I think his Marvel stuff is way better. De gustibus...
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Apr 15, 2019 22:38:16 GMT -5
I think you can safely toss in any mainstream American comic book artist who (A) never worked on superhero projects and (B) was not one of the core EC artists.
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Post by hondobrode on Apr 15, 2019 23:02:00 GMT -5
Here are some A-list artists who are neither EC veterans or superhero artists IMO :
Charles Biro Box Brown Charles Burns Dan Clowes Guido Crepax Robert Crumb Kim Deitch Mary Fleener Drew Friedman Jack Jackson Denis Kitchen Stan Sakai Richard Sala Gilbert Shelton Jim Woodring
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