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Post by brutalis on Apr 26, 2019 14:26:16 GMT -5
Taking inspiration from a few comments in the Homage covers thread about cleaning up after heroes: chadwilliam said: I can only imagine what the guy who has to come in and fix these desks must think of The Daily Planet. "Someone punched your desk to pieces AGAIN?! I was just there!" Mister Spaceman said: Second most frustrating job in comics, after Bruce Banner's tailor. Then junkmonkey said: Or the guy who follows Batman around repairing skylights. So the thought strikes me that there must be a humongous list of jobs which are thankless or truly rotten to have within the worlds of the comic book. Marvel has Damage Control, which is the construction and reclamation and repair crew found in NYC doing clean up after heroes and villains have their fights in the city. There is Willie Lumpkin the NYC Postal Worker doomed to delivering villainous objects via mail to the Fantastic Four. But what other jobs are there that might be a less than splendid when it comes down to it? Some random thoughts: It must be horrible for the sanitation department in New York after the umpteenth Atlantis Attack. All that rotting fish and salt water to clean up? Especially if the attack occurs during summer? Along the lines of this, being in Japanese sanitation must be a high paying job for cleaning up all that radioactive Godzilla and Kaiju monster poo left in the city streets and stinking up the surrounding countryside! What about having to go around Gotham City picking up all those left over bat-ropes hanging from the rooftops and Batarangs stuck in the sides of buildings in the neighborhoods? Do you get to sell them on E-bay after collecting them all? As the Hulk leaps across the city it must suck to be the company called in for repairing all those craters left from him bounding through town. If you are cementing, do you charge by the pound or size of the hole? Who does the trash and paper recycling pick up after the Flash runs through town? Does the Wrecking Crew hire out for weekend demolition jobs? Do they have their own referral service for yard and lawn work cleanup once they have had a big battle downtown or in the suburbs? Who has the crashed spaceship contracts? Somebody must be grabbing up all that intergalactic steel, fuel and left over weaponry. Is it a secret Government agency?!? Does NYC have a window cleaning contract to the highest or lowest bidder for wiping off all those Spider-Man footprints and hand-prints he leaves all over the city buildings? Is there anybody crazy enough to take on the catering for the annual JLA/JSA meeting? Or for those big televised Avenger's New Team announcements? Which gas station gets all of Batman's business for fueling up the Bat-mobile? Same goes for Avengers Quinjets and S.H.I.E.L.D Heli-carriers. Does the FF call in U-Haul for boxes or another moving company for every time they break up? These are serious questions and concerns. What are your thoughts and ideas??? |
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Post by Crimebuster on Apr 26, 2019 15:02:17 GMT -5
Do you get to sell them on E-bay after collecting them all? This is addressed in the Shazam movie! |
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Post by brutalis on Apr 26, 2019 15:26:51 GMT -5
Do you get to sell them on E-bay after collecting them all? This is addressed in the Shazam movie! Where I "borrowed" the E-bay idea from. Forgot to include who is the person that goes around picking up all the flattened bullets after they hit Superman? |
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Post by junkmonkey on Apr 26, 2019 16:00:52 GMT -5
These are serious questions and concerns. What are your thoughts and ideas???
I seriously think you ought to write it. You've got a book idea there. or maybe a themed anthology. Get some people together - open call for submissions - put a Kickstarter together and away we go. A Kickstarter I'm involved with (I have a 3 page strip the book) just raised 33k USD to put to publish a "200+ page all-ages sci-fi slice of life comics anthology". Pitched well - and it's a great idea to pitch - you'd do that easy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 16:26:46 GMT -5
I think the worst job in comics is the colorists, then the inkers in a close 2nd ... why?
If they made a mistake coloring and inking ... they have to take the page and pages back to the penciller to have them redo it again and that's alone can cause delays and all that. I don't want any of those two jobs at all and you need to be extra careful in doing those two jobs.
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Post by Cei-U! on Apr 26, 2019 16:53:50 GMT -5
I think the worst job in comics is the colorists, then the inkers in a close 2nd ... why? If they made a mistake coloring and inking ... they have to take the page and pages back to the penciller to have them redo it again and that's alone can cause delays and all that. I don't want any of those two jobs at all and you need to be extra careful in doing those two jobs. The colorists never touch the original art. They paint over specially treated photostats (or did in the days before computeriztion). And if you've ever seen any original art, you know that inkers often make mistakes, to the point where some pages are positively caked with correction fluid. The only time a penciler has to redo a page is if the original is lost/damaged or if the editor orders it. In the latter case, the changes would be made in the pencil stage before the letterer or inker gets it. That's the traditional method, anyway. Nowadays there sometimes isn't any pencil-and-paper original, just a digitally-created image.
Cei-U! I summon the process analysis
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 17:14:37 GMT -5
I think the worst job in comics is the colorists, then the inkers in a close 2nd ... why? If they made a mistake coloring and inking ... they have to take the page and pages back to the penciller to have them redo it again and that's alone can cause delays and all that. I don't want any of those two jobs at all and you need to be extra careful in doing those two jobs. The colorists never touch the original art. They paint over specially treated photostats (or did in the days before computeriztion). And if you've ever seen any original art, you know that inkers often make mistakes, to the point where some pages are positively caked with correction fluid. The only time a penciler has to redo a page is if the original is lost/damaged or if the editor orders it. In the latter case, the changes would be made in the pencil stage before the letterer or inker gets it. That's the traditional method, anyway. Nowadays there sometimes isn't any pencil-and-paper original, just a digitally-created image. Cei-U! I summon the process analysis
Now days you are right ... I'm talking about the days during the Golden/Silver Years and that's when it was tough to do according to my knowledge oF Comics. You are right about the process here and I'm sorry that I didn't make myself clear of the good old days. I watched a documentary back in the early 80's about Comics and they told me that the inkers and colorists have the most challenging work in Comic Books back then and that's why the artists back then did everything and you know that to be true. I find those artists are real masters and that alone give me a great pleasure of knowing that. I find today's work not to my standards and I only read the The Terrifics and Hawkman of DC Comics and those two alone. I'm getting up in ages and I may find myself may not be reading anymore comics and that why I just don't care for art being done this way. I know in my heart what you are telling me is right on the nose and all that; but I'm talking about the days that everything has to be done by hands and those artist are the true comic book artists back then and we need to applaud them for their contributions alone. I'm really old schooled ... I rather read a old Golden Age Comics than anything else in the world. Please understand that. You are right ... but, I just wanted to remind you of the good ole days of Comics and just wanted to make sure that you got that in your mind. Please, understand that and I admire all the Golden Age Artists that I like so well. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Apr 26, 2019 19:06:14 GMT -5
You do know I just wrote a book about the Golden Age, right?
Pretty much everything you just wrote is wrong. The vast majority of comic book stories published in the Golden Age were not produced by single talents. Most were produced by packaging services, art studios that used the same production line process used in the Silver and Bronze Ages, except that they broke the process down even further so that as many as eight artists might work on a single story: layouts, main figures - pencils, secondary figures - pencils, background - pencils, lettering, main figures - inks, secondary figures - inks, backgrounds - inks, plus specialists who only drew planes or cars or animals. And the coloring was handled by the printer, usually with no input from publisher or creators. Works signed by Siegel and Shuster, Simon and Kirby, Bob Kane, and Will Eisner often included background pencils, letters, and inks gby staff artists working for their studios or sometimes ghosted entirely. Even Carl Barks used a letterer.
Also, you've misinterpreted what that documentary was saying. Lettering, inking, and coloring were "the most challenging jobs" because they came at the end of the production line process and all too often were expected to make up any time lost because the penciler or scripter took too long. There was a reason Vinnie Colletta erased all those backgrounds: he was valuable to the publishers because he *did* cut corners, because by doing so he got the pages to the printer on time, thereby avoiding costly financial penalties. It's actually surprising that more inkers didn't sacrifice their artistic integrity that way (although I'm sure any of us could recite a dozen cases of sloppy, hasty work by usually top-flight inkers).
I'm not trying to pick on you, mech, really I'm not. I'm trying to keep you from perpetuating myths and misunderstandings that hinder our understanding of comic book history as it really was.
Cei-U!
I summon the 411!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 26, 2019 19:57:54 GMT -5
From what I understand from a number of interviews Marie Severin’s colors for EC were among the first done by someone working for the publisher and not the printer. One of the main reasons was that Harvey Kurtzman hated the ridiculous colors used by the people coloring for the printers. Kurtzman was all about the entire output and mood of the book and decent colors were important to the look.
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Post by foxley on Apr 26, 2019 20:06:31 GMT -5
Who cleans all of the webbing Spider-Man leaves behind off New York's skyscrapers?
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Post by Cei-U! on Apr 26, 2019 20:47:51 GMT -5
Who cleans all of the webbing Spider-Man leaves behind off New York's skyscrapers? According to Amazing Spider-Man Annual #1, the webbing "dissolves into nothingness" an hour after its exposure to air.
Cei-U! I summon the considerate crimefighter!
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 26, 2019 21:48:32 GMT -5
Hate to be the vet for Lockjaw, not to mention the pet groomer. Try to give him a rabies vac and you end up on a mountain, in the Himalayas. His dog walker has it the worst, though. I would assume they have an industrial clean-up crew standing by for that job.
Can you imagine being the laundry service for Doctor Doom? Imagine how ripe his shorts must be after being in that armor all the time. And if you use too much starch, you get disintegrated.
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Post by Phil Maurice on Apr 26, 2019 21:48:35 GMT -5
Medusa's hair stylist. Her split ends have split ends!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 23:40:20 GMT -5
Working at a gag/novelty shop in Gotham City. Not only are you going to have daily anxiety over the possibility of getting the Joker as a customer, I'm sure you're going to have to deal with plenty of boorish Joker wanna-be's on a daily basis.
Second worst job: evil, yet nondescript, ninja. Shortest life expectancy outside of red-shirts who've beamed down.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 7:38:40 GMT -5
You do know I just wrote a book about the Golden Age, right? Pretty much everything you just wrote is wrong. The vast majority of comic book stories published in the Golden Age were not produced by single talents. Most were produced by packaging services, art studios that used the same production line process used in the Silver and Bronze Ages, except that they broke the process down even further so that as many as eight artists might work on a single story: layouts, main figures - pencils, secondary figures - pencils, background - pencils, lettering, main figures - inks, secondary figures - inks, backgrounds - inks, plus specialists who only drew planes or cars or animals. And the coloring was handled by the printer, usually with no input from publisher or creators. Works signed by Siegel and Shuster, Simon and Kirby, Bob Kane, and Will Eisner often included background pencils, letters, and inks gby staff artists working for their studios or sometimes ghosted entirely. Even Carl Barks used a letterer. Also, you've misinterpreted what that documentary was saying. Lettering, inking, and coloring were "the most challenging jobs" because they came at the end of the production line process and all too often were expected to make up any time lost because the penciler or scripter took too long. There was a reason Vinnie Colletta erased all those backgrounds: he was valuable to the publishers because he *did* cut corners, because by doing so he got the pages to the printer on time, thereby avoiding costly financial penalties. It's actually surprising that more inkers didn't sacrifice their artistic integrity that way (although I'm sure any of us could recite a dozen cases of sloppy, hasty work by usually top-flight inkers). I'm not trying to pick on you, mech, really I'm not. I'm trying to keep you from perpetuating myths and misunderstandings that hinder our understanding of comic book history as it really was. Cei-U! I summon the 411! I know that ... but, what you said here confused me and my art teachers in High School that shared their knowledge of Comics to me and the three documentaries that I watched on the Golden Age of Comics that shared a different perspective here. Right now, I just don't know what to believe in and I simply don't want to. After this year is over and my presence here in this forum will simply fade away and changing my interests. I'm getting too old for this and this alone. I just say this ... please leave it as it is and thanks for your comments. |
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