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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 12:46:47 GMT -5
Well, as a Warrior fan, I was ambivalent during his 1996 run. And I was even more ambivalent during his WCW run. I remember the Nitro match where he teamed with Sting against Hollywood Hogan and Bret Hart. All I remember is Warrior clotheslining Bret. I'm not sure he did anything else in that match.
He got a pop when he returned to the WWF in 1996. But I doubt he sustained interest for long. I am not a mind reader, but when I did "mind read", it felt like he was there solely to plug his merchandise and Warrior University.
Regarding Corrigan, it's interesting that he has licensed the Houston Wrestling library. It feels at times that the WWF owns all the wrestling footage, but I know that is not the reality. So it's nice that others own certain libraries.
So, who owns USWA footage? The UK had 3, maybe 4, VHS releases for the USWA in the 90s. I'd have liked more.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 13:11:21 GMT -5
Here's the match ... Hogan hardly got in ... The Warrior clotheslined Hart three times and that's it ... the more I watched his time at WCW ... the Warrior was a wasted fool and a damaging one. I did not care for his appearances their and I was terribly disappointed in that. Match was interrupted around a minute and 15 seconds before its ended when the NWO goons came in screwed up the whole thing and Sting did his baseball bat thing and Hogan and the Warrior had a brief tussle that did do any justice at all. I was a Warrior Fan in WWF/WWE ... and not a Warrior Fan in WCW One Warrior Nation is a total farce in WCW.
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 27, 2019 15:15:02 GMT -5
You want real lunacy and a waste of time and money, check out that short-lived comic book he had. It made the worst book out there, from DC, Marvel or Image seem like Watchmen or Sandman.
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 27, 2019 15:46:29 GMT -5
Well, as a Warrior fan, I was ambivalent during his 1996 run. And I was even more ambivalent during his WCW run. I remember the Nitro match where he teamed with Sting against Hollywood Hogan and Bret Hart. All I remember is Warrior clotheslining Bret. I'm not sure he did anything else in that match. He got a pop when he returned to the WWF in 1996. But I doubt he sustained interest for long. I am not a mind reader, but when I did "mind read", it felt like he was there solely to plug his merchandise and Warrior University. Regarding Corrigan, it's interesting that he has licensed the Houston Wrestling library. It feels at times that the WWF owns all the wrestling footage, but I know that is not the reality. So it's nice that others own certain libraries. So, who owns USWA footage? The UK had 3, maybe 4, VHS releases for the USWA in the 90s. I'd have liked more. USWA was sold off around 1996, with Jarrett selling his share to a guy named Larry Burton, then it was bought by a group, called XL Sports and it went under. The people at XL filed a suit and Lawler was called to testify but was cleared of any legal shenanigans. Burton was convicted of racketeering in inflating the value of it. They would own the video library. The actual Memphis/Continental Wrestling Association/Championship Wrestling Association classic footage was owned, in part, by the tv station that broadcast the Saturday morning show. Much of it was taped over or lost. There are home video tapes out there of it; but only from the early 80s on and in fragments. Lawler has been trying to secure copies of it, as much as possible, for airing on the Netowrk, though it doesn't sound like there is much in the way of master copies out there. The Poffo ICW footage, per Lanny, was sold some time back and it was fragmentary, leaving only fan recorded footage, on Youtube. Detroit footage is scattershot, with some matches on the Wrestling Gold series. Same with the Blanchard Southwest Championship, that used to be on USA Network. St Louis was owned by Larry Matysik (or partially owned) and he put out some collections of it; but, he passed away in 2018. Southeastern Championship Wrestling/Continental Championship Wrestling/USA Championship Wrestling (Knoxville) is owned by Ron Fuller and he hasn't sold it, though I don't think he kept masters, anyway. There are fragments on Youtube, mostly from the Continental days, near the end. Continental Wrestling Federation, after Fuller sold to Dave Woods I'm not sure about. That had footage of people like Eddie Gilbert, Paul heyman, Missy Hyatt, Shane Douglas, Sid Vicious (as Lord Humongous), Randy Culley (as detroit Demolition; he was the original Smash, before Barry Darsow), Pez Whatley (as Willie B Hurt) and Tom Pritchard. Portland is another question mark, beyond fan recordings. Footage exists of the latter days, including the Art Barr stuff I posted in this thread a while back and footage of Buddy rose and Scott "Rave" Levy (aka Scottie the Body, aka Scotty Anthony, aka Johnny Polo). Herb Abrams UWF had some videotapes; but, there wasn't much in the way of memorable material there; same with th AWF group, from the early 90s, that tried to use a round system and had guys like Tito Santana and Greg Valentine working for them. Doesn't sound like much of anything exists from Polynesian Pro Wrestling, from Hawaii (the Rock's grandparents' promotion), nor from the previous Hawaii promotion of Ed Francis. Roy Shire's San Francisco promotion went under before video recorders were common and LA was gone by the time they were becoming more affordable; so, little quality footage of either. ESPN owns or partially owns Global Wrestling Federation and co-owns the AWA on ESPN footage. Georgia Championship Wrestling is unknown, as even Ole didn't seem to have much of it. WWA is mostly lost, though, supposedly, Bruiser's widow had some masters) The WWE has Crockett (Mid-Atlantic and "The NWA" footage, from TBS and syndication), Florida, AWA, Central States (such as there is), Stampede, Maple Leaf (Toronto), Mid-South/UWF, World Class, ECW, Part of Smokey Mountain, Puerto Rico, and footage of memphis Championship Wrestling, Deep South, and OVW, from when they were developmental territories.
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 27, 2019 15:52:23 GMT -5
Here's the match ... Hogan hardly got in ... The Warrior clotheslined Hart three times and that's it ... the more I watched his time at WCW ... the Warrior was a wasted fool and a damaging one. I did not care for his appearances their and I was terribly disappointed in that. Match was interrupted around a minute and 15 seconds before its ended when the NWO goons came in screwed up the whole thing and Sting did his baseball bat thing and Hogan and the Warrior had a brief tussle that did do any justice at all. I was a Warrior Fan in WWF/WWE ... and not a Warrior Fan in WCW One Warrior Nation is a total farce in WCW. On top of it, there was that first appearance, where he "appeared" in the mirror and Hogan says "I thought you were dead!" and he disappeared in the smoke in the ring, with the Disciple (Ed "Burtus Beefcake/Dizzy Hogan/Ed Boulder/Dizzy Golden" Leslie). That made the stuff like the Gobbledygooker and Outback Jack and The Goon look like Bill Watts had booked it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 16:00:31 GMT -5
Thanks for all the information, Cody.
Regarding YouTube and the like, I remember seeing clips of a Hogan/Jake Roberts match (1986). I wish those two had worked together. One did get to see Hogan/Savage VS Jake/Berzerker on Randy Savage Unreleased - The Unseen Matches Of The Macho Man, released on DVD less than a year ago. But I sure wish I could see those complete Hogan/Jake matches. I'm told they wrestled twice, but Hogan was being booed!
There's a YouTube video of Hogan/Yokozuna from the WWF's European tour, circa August 1993. Not sure if it was Hogan's last appearance for nine years. The audio and visual is really bad.
And think of the matches that were never recorded (we need a time machine!). In an interview years ago, Bret Hart stated that he believes one match he and Neidhart had against the Bulldogs was the best bout they ever had, but it wasn't a TV taping. Shame we can't see that.
I'm also told Jake and Bret Hart wrestled once or twice, in tag matches mainly. Again, wish I could see those. That would have been an interesting mix of styles.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 16:04:02 GMT -5
You want real lunacy and a waste of time and money, check out that short-lived comic book he had. It made the worst book out there, from DC, Marvel or Image seem like Watchmen or Sandman. Jeez, what was the point of that? It had no plot. What on earth was going on between Warrior and Santa? I do wish someone had asked him (during a shoot interview) to at least try and explain that plot, but I doubt he could have. The 'plot' of that book was, I think, meant to be some philosophical ramblings with the barest elements of a story. And that's me being kind. He could have used an editor, but I guess, like everyone else in his life, he'd have fallen out with the editor. He was no doubt difficult to work with.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 16:16:20 GMT -5
You want real lunacy and a waste of time and money, check out that short-lived comic book he had. It made the worst book out there, from DC, Marvel or Image seem like Watchmen or Sandman. My friend Jeff who ran a LCS had small stack of his books and did not sell very well and told the distributors to stop sending him extra copies and fought for that. He won and sold 2 books and a month later both came back because the readers claimed it is a junk comic book with lousy art. Comic BookCheck out the link ... I have seen it and no way I'm not buying it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 16:19:21 GMT -5
If he'd put his ego aside, and maybe outsourced some stuff, the idea of a Warrior comic book, featuring him either overcoming adversity or fighting a villain, could have been good.
I did like the WCW comic Marvel put out. And the Battlemania comics that Valiant put out.
And we can be our own "editors". Jeez, I sometimes check my posts before posting because things don't flow right. That is pure garbage, that comic. But I bet if Warrior had been asked about it, he'd have called it great. After all, he described One Warrior Nation as a "great concept" during that shoot interview I mentioned, and talked about how great his WCW stuff was.
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 27, 2019 16:22:06 GMT -5
Been reading some newspaper pieces and watching some Billy Corrigan interviews about the NWA. So, like I said before, they are not actually running a full on wrestling promotion, exactly. They aren't a union of promoters who pay dues and vote on the champion, like the original NWA and the 90s NWA. They are not a franchise operation, like bruce Tharpe had. Corrigan owns the name and trademarks, including the belt design and the trademark to the world title. He has a 20 year pla, he says, to build the NWA into something that will be a major promotional deal. The first step has been rebuilding the brand image, with the NWA world title being defended at different independent promotions and organizations in the US and elsewhere (Aldis has defended it in the UK and in China, though against a US wrestler). Then, they introduced the National title, Women's title and World Tag Team titles and put them up in a match to determine the first champions. Those champions are under contract to the NWA. Corrigan talked about having 5 wrestlers under contract, as the initial goal. That would be the champions. They then had their first PPV; and, now, the Youtube Powerrr, while still also using Ten Pounds of Gold series to both promote the brand and advance storylines for title defenses (especially prior to the NWA 70 PPV). They have co-promoted with existing groups (Championship Wrestling from Hollywood, House of Hardcore, Combat one Wrestling, Ring of Honor OWE, and more). It seems like part of the goal is similar to what the Hollywood guys were doing in creating a tv platform for the NWA, featuring top wrestlers from the indies, not under contracts. Corrigan hasn't said whether they will eventually build into an actual full roster promotion or will operate more as an association. his statements talk about working with various organizations and envisioning a future where they are all working together for their mutual benefit, which is what the original NWA was, in the 70s (Vince Sr was part of the NWA and the AWA was a non-member affiliate). In the corporate world, I can't see them working with the WWE and probably not Ring of Honor, though possibly Impact, if they get desperate enough (and they may be getting there), maybe MLW. I suspect they are also trying to cultivate relationships wit Japanese promotions and, possibly, Mexico (the Tharpe version had NWA Mexico, under Blue demon Jr, who held the title; but that promotion closed down). They have worked with ring of Honor, but that came to an end before the Powerrr tapings.
As plans go, it does present a possibility to compete with the WWE, as a real alternative. One of the strengths of Georgia Championship Wrestling was the WTBS show, which had national exposure. other promotions made deals to send talent to work there for more exposure, which helped boost local business when they came back. I can see the same kind of thing here, with Powerrr and NWA-branded PPV giving more exposure to talent. Thy are the only group that is really doing something different from the WWE, apart from maybe Lucha Underground, which is still marketing mainly to a Latino audience. Keeping the number of contracted wrestlers small keeps the cost down and provides name talent for other promotions to book, to help boost their shows, while also giving the NWA an identity with their stars. As they become more successful, they could add to the roster, until they have a base for a full time, self-contained promotion.
Some definite thought in this, besides trying to mirror the WWE.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 16:33:25 GMT -5
Interesting stuff. It deserves all the goodwill in the world, and I will keep my fingers crossed.
It'd be nice to think that, for the rest of eternity, the NWA is something rather than three letters used sparingly. It should mean something. I don't want it to be an acronym that is solely about nostalgia, I want it to mean something and have a presence.
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 27, 2019 16:34:41 GMT -5
If he'd put his ego aside, and maybe outsourced some stuff, the idea of a Warrior comic book, featuring him either overcoming adversity or fighting a villain, could have been good. I did like the WCW comic Marvel put out. And the Battlemania comics that Valiant put out. And we can be our own "editors". Jeez, I sometimes check my posts before posting because things don't flow right. That is pure garbage, that comic. But I bet if Warrior had been asked about it, he'd have called it great. After all, he described One Warrior Nation as a "great concept" during that shoot interview I mentioned, and talked about how great his WCW stuff was. As Jim Ross would say, Warrior was goofier than a pet racoon! The old Wrestlecrap website did a piece on that comic, which showed how bizarre it was. I didn't pay for it; but, flipped through it at my local shp; it was horrible. The Kevin Nash comic wasn't anything to write home about, nor were any of the others, from that period. The Undertaker one, from Chaos! was about the only one that was readable, depending on your tastes. It was no worse than the average one and used a horror theme, which worked well enough for the character. El Santo and Mil Mascaras were stars of comics, in Mexico (the Mil Mascaras character was created by the comic book publisher and Aaron Rodriguez was tapped to portray him) and Tiger Mask began as a manga, then became a live deal (like Mascaras, though with various people portraying Tiger mask, including Sotaro Sayama, Mitsuharu Misawa, Koji Kanemoto, Yoshihiro Yamazaki, Ikuhisa Minowa and Kota Ibushi). The Tiger Mask manga and cartoon featured actual wrestling stars in it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 16:45:27 GMT -5
Here in Britain, we published a comic which often featured a wrestler, Johnny Cougar. Here's a link to read at a later date if you wish: downthetubes.net/?p=35527Now, the Warrior comic. Which of these would you rather do? A.) Read the Warrior comic in full B.) Watch WCW's The Yeti VS The Colossal Kongs in a 60-minute Iron Man match which ends inconclusively with two DQs apiece I'd opt for the latter.
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 27, 2019 16:51:17 GMT -5
Interesting stuff. It deserves all the goodwill in the world, and I will keep my fingers crossed. It'd be nice to think that, for the rest of eternity, the NWA is something rather than three letters used sparingly. It should mean something. I don't want it to be an acronym that is solely about nostalgia, I want it to mean something and have a presence. Well, their aim seems to be to present modern pro wrestling that aspires to the tradition of the NWA and its stars. The Powerrr show and the Ten Pounds of Gold series emphasizes the competitive aspect over the "sports entertainment" style presentation. Jocephus has been the goofiest character and they have been establishing that he is just plain insane and a dangerous person. They have athletic matches, with high spots; but, they have kept the over-complicated stuff to a minimum. As Corny would say, less flippy-dippy video game wrestling and more competitive matches. I do think a lot of these guys don't throw realistic-looking punches and a few haven't really learned how to look aggressive; but, they are ahead of a lot of footage out there. Both Tim Storm and the unrelated James Storm could have been territorial wrestlers and Aldis would have definitely been a star. he has an Americans tyle, rather than the World of Sport style that used to hold back some of the British wrestlers who worked the territories. Corrigan is definitely a fan of old-school wrestling and seems to be on a similar page as Cornette, in regards to realistic presentation; but still allowing the young guys go out there and work fast-paced matches. The Rock praised the heck out of Powerrr, after it premiered, sending Cornette and the NWA feed a congratulatory tweet.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 17:16:36 GMT -5
Blast from the PastMuhammad Ali, Hulk Hogan, Cyndi Lauper, Liberace, and Wendi Richter, 1985
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