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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 17, 2019 11:20:47 GMT -5
Episode 1....
Lousy theme song! Ugh..........auto-tune........... Needed Eric Serra.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 17, 2019 11:26:02 GMT -5
Featurette on Mezieres and Moebius, from the Fifth Element dvd...
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 17, 2019 11:30:58 GMT -5
Mezieres' comment on Star Wars.......
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Post by shaxper on Jul 17, 2019 12:30:15 GMT -5
The animated series is pretty good and in keeping with the tone of the originals. I've seen some of it on Youtube and they even covered how Laureline came to the future (she was from Medieval France). It tends towards an anime style; but, that's pretty much anything animated, anymore. That's straight from the first storyline ("Bad Dreams"). Laureline rescues Valarian in an enchanted forest in France in 1000 AD. From what I've read, the difference with the anime is that it's a few years earlier (970-something, I think), and bringing Laureline back into the future causes disturbances in the timeline. Honestly, I'd wondered why that wasn't the case in the comic (unless her going to the future was always supposed to happen, I guess). I tried not to read any further about the animated series, as I don't want spoilers, but that difference alone intrigued me and made me want to watch once I'm done reading the series. Incidentally, I ordered volumes 2 and 3 late last night and plan to finish volume 1 today.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 17, 2019 13:04:55 GMT -5
I read the first volume(?) and thought it was okay. I got it free for Kindle a while back. My understanding is it gets better from there. I just haven't had time to read more.
I remember watching the movie, but I really only vaguely remember it. I want to say that it was pretty to look at but the story itself was kind of boring. Which probably jibes with me only barely remembering something I watched not more than 18 months ago.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 17, 2019 19:45:44 GMT -5
Finished volume 1 today. The artistry has improved a thousand-fold, but the stories are still an odd balance of brilliant/thoughtful and clumsy/careless. While Empire of a Thousand Planets was clearly tremendously influential upon George Lucas, I find it less imaginative, insightful, and plain brilliant than The City of Shifting Waters.
I truly hope the vision/imagination of the series continues to grow along with the artwork.
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Post by hondobrode on Jul 17, 2019 20:03:06 GMT -5
Didn't know there was an animated series; will have to get it.
Definitely a fan and will be getting more Valerian.
Interested in hearing how it progresses with time, Shax.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 17, 2019 20:47:17 GMT -5
First stories I read were in The New Future Trilogy, which Byron Preiss' iBooks put out, when The Fifth Element was in theaters. It features the material that Mezieres worked on, after Besson put a halt to production and did The Professional (Fifth Element was in the works, after Big Blue). In it, the Galaxity is gone and Valerian and Laureline are on their own. One of the stories involved a cab driver and the image of the floating cab led to the change of hero in the Fifth Element. Originally, he was supposed to be a factory worker, in a robotics plant. When Besson saw the new Valerian album, he rewrote the hero as a cab driver.
That book collected On The Frontiers, The Living Weapons and The Circles of Powers (vol 13-15). From there, I went looking and found the old Dargaud USA releases: World Without Stars and Heroes of the Equinox (vol 3, 6, 8). Then, I started buying the whole series, when Cinebook started printing them, in English.
Both World Without Star and Ambassador of Shadows are excellent and Heroes of the Equinox is a lot of fun, with stand-ins for several Marvel superheroes, in a contest, in which Valerian partakes.
The Dargaud USA editions were nice, with a back cover blurb from Will Eisner (as I recall); but, they were haphazard about which ones they released. Cinebooks' editions were better and they did the whole thing, plus the hardcover editions.
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Post by berkley on Jul 17, 2019 21:51:20 GMT -5
I read volume 1 and volume 3, I think it was, shortly before the movie, trying to choose those volumes containing stories the movie was rumoured to be based on. I really liked them. The film I thought looked great and I actually found the actress who played Laureline not only looked right for the part but even did a commendable job with a poorly written part - and when I say poorly written, I mean specifically the romantic relationship between Laureline and Valerian. The actor who played the latter role I didn't like at all, though the writing is partly at fault there too. I don't even think he looked right - I see Valerian as a much more competent and dashing sort of character, almost Bond-like in some ways, whereas the they cast him as a kind of goofy but (supposedly) lovable sort.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 17, 2019 21:56:45 GMT -5
I had a couple of the Dargaud editions in the '80s, Ambassador Of The Shadows and World Wihtout Stars and thought they were great. Wish I could afford to get into collecting the Cinebooks editions now, I can't quite keep up with Yoko Tsuno from them and there are a lot fewer of those books! Maybe someday.
Don't know if I'll ever see the movie though I liked The Fifth Element well enough, I thought the actors looked too young, especially Valerian, but wondered if the director had some plan or reasoning behind that.
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Post by brutalis on Jul 18, 2019 8:43:02 GMT -5
This is shaxper fault as I attempt to provide my thoughts and idea's about the Valerian and Laureline series of books. Blasted teacher's and their assignments, but this is one I can get behind as I have for many years wanted to read some French Valerian comics. In the good old days of the 70's/80's there just was no option other than very high end European volumes so I would look, drool, look some more and say one day. That one day has finally come and boy what wonders unfold before my eyes. The series is printed in deluxe hardback editions collecting several stories to a book in sequential order. So let us begin with the start: Bad Dreams from November 1967, created when I was all of 5 years old! A mix and mash up of science fiction, history, fantasy all in a world where magic and science can co-exist. I sat and read the very 1st two stories last night and what bed time stories they were! M dreams were wild and enchanting afterwards. Bad Dreams introduces the unfolding future of Galaxity where Valerian the spatio-temporal (so much cooler sounding that time police, eh?) is interrupted from crafting his mathematical sculpture by the Council as Xombul has gone back in time to 11th century France to become ruler of the world. From such basics does the world of Valerian unfold quickly. Handsome, heroic, cleft chin, Saturday matinee idol good looks our boy Valerian has all the charm and qualities of most hero's and some of the arrogance and ignorance as well. Quickly donning time appropriate apparel he goes zipping into the past and just as quickly blunders and becomes trapped while sleeping in a giant leaf which curls up in the nights darkness and traps him. Thus our story ends....if not for the introduction of his soon to be partner: Laureline who frees him so that his mission may continue. Pretty much just a second fiddle side kick to the hero here, she is still a wonderful part of the story showing more sense and ability than Valerian. They eventually find Xombul who has magically transformed people into mystical monsters and giants and he actually transforms the sweet Laureline but forgetting that you cannot transform the pure of soul into just anything. So she has become the mystical and magical talking Unicorn of yore! Of course Val and Laureline turn the tables on Xombul who escapes back into the future where they ultimately defeat him. A nice change of pace here in that Laureline steps into the future without all of the tropes and earth shattering time problems you might usually find and she is placed under a mnemonic machine providing her with all the information and skills necessary to becoming a time traveler agent alongside Valerian. Everything you need to know is provided here in a whimsical, fantastical world where past and future all exist and combine to create a uniquely visual world full of excitement and fun to come. A somewhat small story to begin with and yet it captures the imagination as you can tell Christin and Mezieres have found themselves a very special universe to explore. It is entertaining and unique and it will only get better from here! The City of Shifting Waters has our time hopping companions exploring several science fiction staples: on leave playing 3D chess where Val is losing to Laureline of course since he is eager to leave upon a new assignment to the post apocalyptic year 1986 after the Polar Ice Caps have been melting after nuclear explosions, the atypical flooded New York and decaying Statue of Liberty, and mob rules and raiding. Valerian goes it alone with Laureline left behind in the future (confused yet?) as backup with Val even making jokes that soon enough he won't be checking in and she will be needed which of course is the case. With this story we begin to see the quips and camaraderie between Laureline and Valerian growing. We get crazy wild visuals with destroyed 1986 New York, stylistic robots which look like walking chemical suits with rubber boots and gloves as well as our intrepid heroic duo dressed to fit the times which is all hilariously false as they are drawn in typical 60/70's kind of fashions (Val does kind of resemble Elvis) as well as Laureline shows us her wit and quick thinking skills (her explanation of hiding the borrowed plane and the artwork showing her crashing the plane) throughout. Also includes the introduction of several recurring characters Sun Rae the gangster musician and Dr. (looks like Jerry Lewis) Schroder of the scientific genius variety. The story itself leaps all over fromthe future to the past from New York to Wyoming to the Rocky Mountains and into Outer Space! A much more intriguing and developed story with layers and wit and humor this story advances many of the aspects and ideas the series will develop into over time. Quite well done and exciting and this one will make certain you are wanting more adventures!
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Post by shaxper on Jul 18, 2019 9:17:56 GMT -5
This is shaxper fault as I attempt to provide my thoughts and idea's about the Valerian and Laureline series of books. Blasted teacher's and their assignments, but this is one I can get behind as I have for many years wanted to read some French Valerian comics. I really loved this little moment. The value of knowledge is emphasized repeatedly in the first two volumes, and here we learn that while the rest of Galaxity is complacent and dependent, our dashing hero spends his free time constructing mathematical sculptures...for fun. What a beautiful ideal for a society where the strongest and bravest spend their free time growing their minds! It is a pretty interesting series of conveniences just to get Valerian a partner who (at least four volumes in) never again acknowledges her ancient background. I do like the idea that it isn't Valerian's idea to bring her along; she learns his identity in spite of him. Sure does seem these two blow their covers in every single storyline, though! This little lackluster first entry already outdreams anything Russ Manning had done with Magnus Robot Fighter, formerly my favorite science fiction comic book premise. It's an amazing shot across the bow, warning us just how big this series' imagination has the potential to grow. SUCH a cool post-apocalyptic concept. The first time I'd ever experienced the concept of a drowned New York City was in 2001's A.I.: Artificial Intelligence, but here's Christian and Mézières creating an extraordinary sci-fi backdrop, as well as essentially predicting the impact of climate change in 1968! Sure, it was an atomic bomb that set things off, but it's the melted polar ice caps that end up doing the real damage. What an extraordinary sense of foresight. And I find it utterly amazing how easy it is to forget this was written in 1968 and not 1986. The clothes, the cars, the technology all look really really appropriate for a world that had not yet come! Really love that you're doing this, brutalis. Thank you!
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Post by brutalis on Jul 18, 2019 9:57:10 GMT -5
I forgot to mention several other aspects which were present in these 2 stories. Shax is correct in that the series continuously promotes education and learning as essential aspects of life. That Laureline is changed into a unicorn showing her purity and "perfection" of all that is female after rescuing "inept" Valerian is a great entrance to who and what she is and will become in future stories as she takes on more importance as a character and equal partner in the series (if not actually becoming the lead). It was also very charming that without any real challenges or arguments she simply found out the truth of Val and jumped out of the past into the future alongside him, and Valerian without complaint or other reasoning just simply accepts this as if it is natural and was meant to be. Even the leaders in the future allow her to become a part of the force and don't attempt to sending her back in time (perhaps they realize her importance?) to where she came from.
Valerian remarks in allowing females into the Tempo-Spatial force and he flatly states that women are superior to men. Unheard of concept in 1967/68 and shows great insight into coming women's liberation and today's ongoing equalization rights/struggles. Also that all citizens of the future are "addicted" in their dreams rather than doing any real work reflects so much of today's various gaming/television/sports fans who spend more of their time in dealing in fantasy than the real world.
Xombul is either incredibly smart in knowing the past is the place to be in taking control/power of the future or very stupid himself in wanting to try and change what is essentially shown as a peaceful and productive future Utopian society. What is wonderful is that whether Val/Laureline are in the future or past, they seem to function and live happily no matter what, where or when, and this shows us all that we should make the most of any circumstances and appreciate the moment we are in.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 18, 2019 10:50:33 GMT -5
I forgot to mention several other aspects which were present in these 2 stories. Shax is correct in that the series continuously promotes education and learning as essential aspects of life. That Laureline is changed into a unicorn showing her purity and "perfection" of all that is female after rescuing "inept" Valerian is a great entrance to who and what she is and will become in future stories as she takes on more importance as a character and equal partner in the series (if not actually becoming the lead). It was also very charming that without any real challenges or arguments she simply found out the truth of Val and jumped out of the past into the future alongside him, and Valerian without complaint or other reasoning just simply accepts this as if it is natural and was meant to be. Even the leaders in the future allow her to become a part of the force and don't attempt to sending her back in time (perhaps they realize her importance?) to where she came from. Great points, all around. I took that comment as being more playful and less outright sincere, but there's no doubt this series is majorly progressive. In the very first story, Valerian has a black female colleague...in 1967. In the second storyline, the dangerously capable arch-villain who is pragmatic, likable, and ultimately a necessity to Valerean and to humantiy, is black, and all of his underlings are white. His viewpoint makes total sense to me. He just doesn't articulate it well. Mankind has become complacent and spends all of its time in artificial dreams. Valerian and Laureline seem to be the only true humans left in Galaxity, actually living their lives and working to better themselves.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 18, 2019 12:27:07 GMT -5
All male vs. female competition stuff just seems at best odd to me. There are of course both, and I guess more besides, especially in science-fiction comics with aliens around. Stories where there only men or only women, or races of identical creatures who all think alike are airtight garages, cul-de-sacs of the mind, dead ends. Nature (God?) obviously loves variety to have created so much of it, so who eats steak every day or only carrots and nothing else? It isn't progressive in the least to make a statement about women are (all?) superior anymore than any other single thing is or that they are (all?) inferior, but okay, in 1967 for some people maybe that was a useful idea. It is not a real thing though, it is a thought, and a very limited perspective thought at that. We all have blind spots, strengths and weaknesses and we all need others, I hope anyway. As in relationships we should aim for being all we truthfully are and can be. If Valerian was old and wrinkly and Laureline had scars and one eyebrow would they still be heroic (would they be more heroic?) or want to hang around together? The Batman story 'There Is No Hope In Crime Alley' (a -gasp- American comic yet) showed heroism in an average citizen that humbled the famous caped crusader and spoke a truth that is very valuable. Female superiority or unicorns in comparison pale a bit in comparison as a concept, but I can imagine someone could get something good from it. Sometimes I look at women in comics and think how few real problems they encounter, not dragging around a lot of luggage everywhere like many real women but have magical clothing that stays clean or changes like magic. Hair that never needs washing or hormonal swings and surges. Lack of pressures to marry and reproduce. I think Valerian is all about opening up perspectives like good sf can. There are a lot of great non-English comics like this to be discovered, yay!
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