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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 28, 2019 15:10:02 GMT -5
Empire of a Thousand Planets: This will always be my favourite book in the series. It’s just...man, words fail me. It’s like the perfect space opera comic-book. Sort of what the original Star Wars was to space opera on the big screen.
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Post by Dizzy D on Jul 29, 2019 8:00:39 GMT -5
Asterix: like most European comics*, it will take a few issues to completely flesh out the concept and get to the really good comics (for that matter, I think the really good Valerian and Laureline comics are also a few issues in). I think around Cleopatra, the series becomes good and around The Roman Agent, it becomes really good. (And then takes a nosedive after Goscinny dies).
Keep in mind for Asterix: it requires a bit of foreknowledge of Roman history, French culture and European cultures to get all the jokes and subtext.
* For instance: Lucky Luke starts to get good around the Dalton Cousins and also nosedives after Goscinny dies. Spirou: Switches creative teams a lot, but the best stories are Franquin and for him around Pirates of Silence (though I think especially in Franquin's case, I see an improvement from issue to issue over the years).
I don't think this is actually a thing in just European comics, in many American comics I do think that it takes the creative teams often some time to find their voice for a character or for a couple of creative teams to finally develop a character into something unique/interesting. For many series, it also requires the creative team having set up a world, its characters and premise before introducing a twist/playing with the standard premise, but the twist does not work without the groundwork**.
If you want to try out a new comic series, I think it's very rare where I would actually recommend issue #1 as the one to try out. For instance, if my nephews ever wanted to read Batman, I would never give them a reprint of Bob Kane's work. Or a more recent example: the Image Comic Fairlady started recently and I quite like it so far. The premise is a series of standalone detective stories in a fantasy world. 4 issues out, but the first issue is a terrible first issue IMHO. It is a bit a somber story with the main character trying to find a missing girl, but spending most of the issue silent as she reads through the girl's diary. I would recommend somebody wanting to try out the series to start with the second issue: the main character is hired to investigate the death of man, who has been killed by a dragon, but nobody has seen dragons around for years. The second issue has a straight forward mystery, the main character is more active and you get more of the world she inhabits and her place in it.
Similar thing for manga, though there are a lot of manga where I like the original premise and once it gets going, it turns into a more standard story and I really like the first few chapters far more than the later.
**= For example, I heard that DC was planning a movie version of the Teen Titans: Judas Contract. A story I don't think will work well in a movie, because without getting to know the main characters first and their relationship with Terra, the betrayal will feel empty. Similar to all the Dark Phoenix movie adaptions: give Jean time to be her own person, before you throw in the Dark Phoenix.
Mmm.. ended up a bit more rambling than I intended. I hope I'm still making sense. Anyway the short version: the first issue may set up an interesting premise, but it rarely is the best story in a series. If you want to try something, especially in the field of European comics, where standalone stories are very common, you will get a more accurate impression if you pick up issue 8 or 12 or so.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 1, 2019 17:19:14 GMT -5
Finally got around to reading The Land Without Stars today, and it's absolutely my favorite installment yet. I've been waiting for Laureline's characterization to come alive, and wow did she jump from typical female companion to true bonafide character here. Plus the artwork jumped several thousand evolutions forward, and this was the first installment to have me laughing out loud to boot. And (of course) there's a solid sci-fi concept at the core of it all that never feels overly neat and simplified -- the two warring societies aren't exactly mirror opposites. They raise questions for us about gender and society, but it isn't presented so clean and neat as to seem unrealistic.
Amazing volume!
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 5, 2019 15:57:54 GMT -5
Finally got around to reading The Land Without Stars today, and it's absolutely my favorite installment yet. I've been waiting for Laureline's characterization to come alive, and wow did she jump from typical female companion to true bonafide character here. Plus the artwork jumped several thousand evolutions forward, and this was the first installment to have me laughing out loud to boot. And (of course) there's a solid sci-fi concept at the core of it all that never feels overly neat and simplified -- the two warring societies aren't exactly mirror opposites. They raise questions for us about gender and society, but it isn't presented so clean and neat as to seem unrealistic. Amazing volume! By Ambassador of the Shadows, she’s the undisputed star of the book. Valerian becomes sort of her goofy yet loveable sidekick.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 7, 2019 18:55:05 GMT -5
Read Welcome to Alflolol tonight. While it isn't a favorite installment, it continues to advance the premise and characterizations of the series tremendously. I respect how it explores a dark side of Galaxity's Utopian future, but then ends by clearly expressing the goodness at its core. This no longer feels like a society that simply dreams its days away; it's a society of plenty that lives by its principles and ideals, even while relying on shady sources and practices for its luxury.
Laureline is a force to be reckoned with in this installment, practically an anarchist who is willing to treat Valerian as someone who is dead to her when he upholds a status quo that she opposes, but instantly forgiving and welcoming when he changes his stance. I'm not sure I like this characterization, but she has definitely grown into her own entity at this point. I hope she'll be a little more...complicated in later installments. After all, she is still just an accessory to Valerian's journey, even if she is opposing him and prodding him towards the right answer.
I'm wondering if the time-travel element of this series has gone by the wayside by this point. Valerian and Laureline are starting to feel like space-travelling agents for a French version of Star Trek's Federation. Time travel has become a smaller and smaller component of the series that, for the first time, wasn't even mentioned in this installment. In the previous few, it was just used in combat and space travel scenarios. We haven't actually explored straight-up time travel since (I believe) the second story line.
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 7, 2019 19:48:50 GMT -5
Read Welcome to Alflolol tonight. While it isn't a favorite installment, it continues to advance the premise and characterizations of the series tremendously. I respect how it explores a dark side of Galaxity's Utopian future, but then ends by clearly expressing the goodness at its core. This no longer feels like a society that simply dreams its days away; it's a society of plenty that lives by its principles and ideals, even while relying on shady sources and practices for its luxury. Laureline is a force to be reckoned with in this installment, practically an anarchist who is willing to treat Valerian as someone who is dead to her when he upholds a status quo that she opposes, but instantly forgiving and welcoming when he changes his stance. I'm not sure I like this characterization, but she has definitely grown into her own entity at this point. I hope she'll be a little more...complicated in later installments. After all, she is still just an accessory to Valerian's journey, even if she is opposing him and prodding him towards the right answer. I'm wondering if the time-travel element of this series has gone by the wayside by this point. Valerian and Laureline are starting to feel like space-travelling agents for a French version of Star Trek's Federation. Time travel has become a smaller and smaller component of the series that, for the first time, wasn't even mentioned in this installment. In the previous few, it was just used in combat and space travel scenarios. We haven't actually explored straight-up time travel since (I believe) the second story line. They do tend to be more Spacio than Temporal Agents. Of course, you can say the same about Doctor Who, really.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 7, 2019 23:46:22 GMT -5
Went back for more tonight with Birds of the Master. WOW! Great concept with a fascinating mystery at the center of it all (the solution to which is actually a little easy/disappointing, but oh well), a fantastic mix of tension and humor, some of the best art we've seen yet: And a lot more work on Laureline. She's clearly getting more attention from Christin and Mezieres than Valerian at this point, and yet they still haven't figured her out yet. Whereas, in the last adventure, she had things figured out too easily and was disappointingly uncomplicated, she's emotional and semi-helpless all over again this time out, but at least her emotions are treated with dignity and empathy: It truly hurts Valerian (and us) to see her hurting, and he struggles to be the voice of reason for her that she so effortlessly played for him last time around. Of course, Mezieres also gives us two entirely unnecessary nude pics of her for the first time, which I found damn creepy, but at least she got in the best laugh of the series thus far: You can already see the balance of power shifting in their relationship, even if Christin isn't entirely sure who Laureline is yet, and Mezieres hasn't yet decided that she isn't a play-thing/sex object.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 25, 2019 7:33:13 GMT -5
Finally got through The Ambassador of Shadows tonight, and something really went wrong with this one. The concept of Point Central is an intriguing one that probably could have been explored with more depth, and giving Laureline the center spotlight while Valerean was out of action for most of the story should have been fun, but I found this one nearly impossible to read. I can't decide if it was Christin, Mezieres, or the English translator, but I was completely lost on so much of what was going on (I still don't know what Laureline decided to do with those Earth ships at the end) and generally didn't enjoy myself. First real disappointment of the series.
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Post by Dizzy D on Aug 25, 2019 9:26:46 GMT -5
Probably the translation then, can't recall having any problems following this story myself.
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Post by beccabear67 on Aug 25, 2019 16:05:18 GMT -5
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 25, 2019 17:13:54 GMT -5
Ordered the first three single story editions... I used to have #3 in the older Dargaud edition, also had what is listed as #6, Ambassador Of The Shadows. Does Cinebook have these in the right chronology? Yep; they used the French numbering, though they skipped the debut story, until they started doing the hardcover omnibus editions. They skipped around with Spirou & Fantasio, starting with Tome & Janry's stuff, then going back for Franquin, then alternating. With Buck Danny, they started much later, ignoring the early material. Lucky Luke has been in sequence.
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Post by brutalis on Aug 26, 2019 8:09:48 GMT -5
The Land Without Stars has our boy Valerian and lady Laureline playing as Earth representative's to several new world's when they find giant barren planet hurtling towards the planets they have been visiting. Turns out the "planet" is not so barren as they traverse into the center of the planetoid finding it to be hollow with a whole world and civilization living inside (shades of ERB) with three individual races. First met are the Lemm People who extract Flogums and sell it to the other 2 warring races one male dominant and the other female dominant. Talk about your symbiosis relationships! The Lemm are for the most part docile and roving across their world in traveling homes built upon the backs of giant crawling centipedes collecting the explosive Flogums.
Val and Laureline split up in attempts to enter the 2 other cities in hopes of finding a way to save everyone. Here again Valerian is for the most part the "central" figure of the story and yet Laureline is provided the stronger interaction and characterization as she is quickly becoming the more interesting person. Laureline even admits that she likes missions where we get to wear costumes, and she is given plenty of designer outfit changes from an overly clothed wanderer until she becomes the Emperor's favorite and shows a lot of sultry sexiness in her face painted "Arabian" harem outfit. Val goes on to become a warrior pet of the Amazonian like city which he goes into. Of course he excels in their games learning how to use their exotic animal based weaponry (very creative and interesting while a mere throw away concept, captures the alieness of the world) and when the 2 cities eventually go to war Val is going great guns in the attack until Laureline shoots him down (a funny recurring relationship concept given visualization?) from his flying insect. The 2 love bugs (sorry, couldn't resist) finally utilize their communicators and hatch a plan to capture the 2 city leaders and show them the danger that they face.
Taking the leaders out from inside their world the Queen and Emperor are amazed at the world outside Zahir. Valerian has devised a plan utilizing the Flogums and Galaxity's science to send the planet in to orbit alongside the other planets in the solar system. All goes well and everyone ends up happily ever after as the 2 societies merge and become a part of the new order of things.
Again the story flows along more science fiction motif's and yet the alien world is almost more fantasy driven. The storytelling and artistry are now coming into their own and the designs are truly spectacular and stunning in providing depth for the concepts. Val is still playing the heroic if somewhat flawed (getting drunk) lead with Laureline as his sultry sidekick who is beginning to show more smarts and character. While the story remains somewhat lesser than the art (truly love the sailing ships in the skies, centipede homes and insect weaponry) there is plenty to both aspects to truly enjoy. A very nice adventure for our heroic duo which also begins to show off the banter and love and fun which will all become part of the joys of this series.
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Post by beccabear67 on Aug 26, 2019 13:16:56 GMT -5
I think my system is too old for Hoopla, I was never able to get it to work for me though our local library does offer it. I had hoped to avoid the wait list for some DVDs of series, ended up staying in cue and got to see the shows eventually. For Valerian I'd like to have them as books, the color on the paper is usually so rich in the European comics on the non-shiny quality paper. My BF threatens to give me a laptop so maybe I'd find myself reading more on a portable screen then.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 27, 2019 19:00:03 GMT -5
Probably the translation then, can't recall having any problems following this story myself. Yeah, I’m surprised too... It’s my second favourite book in the series! The nefarious colonialist attitude of Earth, the uprising of the exploited janitors of Central Point, Laureline taking center stage and the overall humour all contributed to make Ambassador of the Shadows a pretty cool story in my opinion. It felt like it was built on a huge backstory; one that we didn’t actually need to understand the plot, but that made the whole thing very intriguing and believable (like the first few chapters of Dune, say). And the grumpy transmuter from Bluxte... What a great addition!
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Post by shaxper on Sept 3, 2019 13:34:42 GMT -5
Finished The Wrath of Hypsis last night, concluding the fourth volume of the complete collection, and I'm honestly not sure if I want to keep going. I can see the series continuing to evolve in its own way, but the series seems to be spending less time developing its ideas, and the characters have become predictable. I do find it intriguing how this last volume began hinting back to the beginning of Valerian's career (as well as his apparent death), but I'm just not excited about this series the way I was at the start.
So I guess I'm asking if it gets significantly better. If it's already at or near its apex, and I'm just not appreciating it as much as I should, I'll call it a day and move on to something I enjoy more.
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