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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 21, 2020 7:17:06 GMT -5
Why would ROM be invoked as unenjoyable? It's a good "Silver Surfer vs the Body Snatchers" pastiche. Sorry, I understand that Rom had it's fans and that a 75 issue run is respectable but that series, like the Dazzler one, was mostly propped up by guest star of the month disease. Surely it doesn't compare to the Starman series In art or originality.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 21, 2020 7:20:35 GMT -5
I can tell you probably the main reason I never gave the series a try, apart from it falling into an era when I felt out of tune with Marvel's stuff in a general way: the character design never appealed to me on an aesthetic level. I just didn't like the look of the title character that much and the covers never seemed to catch my eye or spark any interest, even though I was usually drawn to anything with a science fiction vibe. Michael Golden did a run of exceptional covers early on. Then a couple of Frank Miller. But then came three years worth of middling covers, mostly by Al Milgrom, before Bill Sienkiewicz entered the picture to liven things up, as usual for him. There' also the riff of fighting the same enemy every month is tiresome. The Original Battlestar Galactica had the same problem.Getting top talent to draw the covers is a sign that the series needs something more.
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Post by rberman on Feb 21, 2020 7:41:26 GMT -5
Why would ROM be invoked as unenjoyable? It's a good "Silver Surfer vs the Body Snatchers" pastiche. Sorry, I understand that Rom had it's fans and that a 75 issue run is respectable but that series, like the Dazzler one, was mostly propped up by guest star of the month disease. Surely it doesn't compare to the Starman series In art or originality. For sure. ROM is not the height of comic book art, nor the depth.
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Post by beccabear67 on Feb 21, 2020 14:05:30 GMT -5
At 12-15 I liked Rom a lot and bought it every month, and to a lesser length the same was true of Dazzler. I also liked the Sal Buscema Hulk while one Golden drawn Micronauts story had me totally confused trying to read it, and it was a half year and a different artist before I tried the title again. I could read Buscema and Frank Springer comics. Also those 'layouts by Chaykin' comics that could be a bit disappointing or uneven in terms of art. There's something to be said for age appropriate comics. I have no desire to get even one Rom or Dazzler again though while I was getting back various comics I had once had and found myself nostalgic for.
I've never tried Starman, though I've heard about it a fair bit, but I have #1-3 of the 1991 Black Canary with #4 on the way... looks like it will be a solid read. DC seemed better than Marvel somehow in this late late '80s and early '90s window. Marvel had some real bare bones art direction and coloring, the house ads were very plain and dull, and some of the logos created then were equally clumsy. I wonder if that plays into my impression? I tried their Black Cat and Black Knight miniseries and they are not very good, more poor art than story. The Invaders mini was alright, and a keeper, but not as good as the two Justice Society runs (of eight and then ten issues respectively). Later, in the late late '90s, The Invaders in Marvel Universe is great and wanted more!
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Post by badwolf on Feb 21, 2020 17:41:59 GMT -5
I don't have any real intention of getting the Rom series again (I had most of it from #18-75) but I'll pick one up once in a while. There's still some nostalgia there for me. I never got into Dazzler, though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 12:05:51 GMT -5
I did like Mr Zsasz who got introduced in Batman: Shadow of the Bat #1. Also the Knightfall storyline.
I didn't like Marvel at the time...at all. 30 years later I still don't care for McFarlane Spidey. Don't own anything by Rob Liefeld. If comics are a visual medium, his artwork burnt the skin from my eyes.
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Post by electricmastro on Apr 3, 2020 19:30:03 GMT -5
Malibu was one of the more prominent 90s publishers. For anyone here that has read Malibu comics, how would you sum up the overall quality of their material?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 21:35:00 GMT -5
Malibu was one of the more prominent 90s publishers. For anyone here that has read Malibu comics, how would you sum up the overall quality of their material? I'm pretty sure codystarbuck did an overview of them in his Other Guys thread on publishers outside Marvel and DC if you want a more in depth analysis of them. It's hard to generalize about Malibu as they were hardly a monolithic entity in the 90s, and had several imprints they published under. The Ultraverse stuff was a different animal than a lot of their other stuff. Bravura was a creator-owned line that pulled in some heavyweight creators and it too was a different animal than their other lines. Eternity, Aircel and Adventure Comics were all under the Malibu umbrella at different points in the 80s and 90s and each one was a different animal from the other lines as they had different focus and creator pools that they worked with. Most people think only of the shared universe stuff from the Ultraverse line, or are only interested in that, but it is hardly representative of the rest of their output. None of the other stuff was really a unified line of books, as some was done more in the eastern/Manga style, some resembled more self-published/underground stuff in content and quality, some did adaptations of licensed properties, etc. You really have to evaluate it book by book rather than as a whole. I liked a lot of the Bravura stuff, the Ultraverse was a mixed bag with some strong books, some that were strong ideas poorly executed, some were mediocre concepts with strong creative teams, and some just meh to bad. I liked some of the Cthulhu/Lovecraft books they did under the Adventure imprint, but thought the Lovecraft stuff by Millennium around the same timeframe was better. Some of the Eternity Sherlock Holmes stuff was interesting as were the Crime Comics featuring the Shadow, but by and large the bulk of the output form the sub-imprints of Malibu wasn't stuff I was interested in. -M
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 21:41:35 GMT -5
I saw Malibu books in the mid 90s but they weren't really my cup of tea...neither was Valiant. Not to impugn these 2 since others liked them...they just weren't for me.
Bear in mind I was a pre-teen and stuck mostly with what I knew at the time - Marvel and DC.
My first venture into indy books would have been Image/Top Cow, especially in the late 90s. At one point I had the first 100 issues of Witchblade, then sold them...then rebuilt another collection of them a few years later when a great opportunity came my way....
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Post by Batflunkie on Apr 3, 2020 21:48:18 GMT -5
Malibu was one of the more prominent 90s publishers. For anyone here that has read Malibu comics, how would you sum up the overall quality of their material? I've only really read their Ultraverse line, but from what I've read, I've enjoyed it. They had a lot of really interesting ideas and Rune and Sludge still remain active favorites
Shame Marvel just absorbed them purely for the coloring techniques
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Post by electricmastro on Apr 3, 2020 22:12:42 GMT -5
Malibu was one of the more prominent 90s publishers. For anyone here that has read Malibu comics, how would you sum up the overall quality of their material? It's hard to generalize about Malibu as they were hardly a monolithic entity in the 90s, and had several imprints they published under. The Ultraverse stuff was a different animal than a lot of their other stuff. I suppose I should list some of their longer-lasting titles to simplify things: Ninja High School (1988-1993) Leather & Lace (1989-1991) Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (1993-1996) Hardcase (1993-1995) Prime (1993-1995) Planet of the Apes (1990-1992) Mantra (1993-1995) The Strangers (1993-1995) The Night Man (1993-1995) Sherlock Holmes (1988-1990) Robotech II: The Sentinels Book II (1990-1993) Protectors (1992-1994) Spicy Tales (1988-1990) Firearm (1993-1995) Prototype (1993-1995) The Trouble with Girls (1989-1991) Cat & Mouse (1990-1991) Debbie Does Dallas (1991-1993) Ex-Mutants (1992-1994) Freex (1993-1995) Robotech Invid War (1992-1993) The Solution (1993-1995) Robotech II: The Sentinels (1988-1990) Ex-Mutants The Shattered Earth Chronicles (1988-1990) Captain Harlock (1989-1990) Dinosaurs for Hire (1993-1994) Robotech: Return to Macross (1993-1994) Sludge (1993-1994) Solitaire (1993-1994) UltraForce (1994-1995) Warlocks (1988-1990) Casanova (1991-1991) The Ferret (1993-1994)
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Post by Crimebuster on Apr 3, 2020 23:07:37 GMT -5
I really liked Firearm at the time, and have a full run still. I used to have a full run of Protectors but I don't remember too much about it either than I wanted it to be a little better than it was. It had promise but never really fulfilled it.
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Post by electricmastro on Apr 4, 2020 1:43:27 GMT -5
Thanks, and in regards to the original post regarding Image, I felt compelled to list some of their 90s titles as I’m interested in Image as well:
Spawn (1992-Present)
Savage Dragon (1993-Present)
Witchblade (1995-2015)
Tomb Raider: The Series (1999-2001)
Stormwatch (1993-1997)
Supreme (1992-1996)
Wetworks (1994-1998)
The Darkness (1996-2001)
Gen 13 (1995-1998)
Cyberforce (1993-1997)
Big Bang Comics (1996-2001)
The Maxx (1993-1998)
Age of Bronze (1998-2013)
Backlash (1994-1997)
Kiss: Psycho Circus (1997-2000)
Deathblow (1993-1996)
WildC.A.T.S: Covert Action Teams/WildC.A.T.S (1992-1998)
Curse of the Spawn (1996-1999)
A Distant Soil (1996-2013)
Spawn: The Dark Ages (1999-2001)
Bone (1995-1997)
Rising Stars (1999-2005)
Sam and Twitch (1999-2004)
DV8 (1996-1998)
Brigade (1993-1995)
Bloodstrike (1993-1995)
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1996-1999)
Ascension (1997-2000)
Team Youngblood (1993-1996)
Newmen (1994-1996)
Gen 13 Bootleg (1996-1998)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 1:47:26 GMT -5
Thanks, and in regards to the original post regarding Image, I felt compelled to list some of their 90s titles as I’m interested in them as well: Age of Bronze (1998-2013) A Distant Soil (1996-2013) Bone (1995-1997) I would give these three unequivocal recommendations. Age of Bronze is glorious, A Distant Soil is Doran's most interesting and perhaps best work, and Bone is the one comics I would pick if I could only ever read one series over and over again. It is simply delightful and offers something new every time I read it. -M
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Post by electricmastro on Apr 4, 2020 1:54:39 GMT -5
Thanks, and in regards to the original post regarding Image, I felt compelled to list some of their 90s titles as I’m interested in them as well: Age of Bronze (1998-2013) A Distant Soil (1996-2013) Bone (1995-1997) I would give these three unequivocal recommendations. Age of Bronze is glorious, A Distant Soil is Doran's most interesting and perhaps best work, and Bone is the one comics I would pick if I could only ever read one series over and over again. It is simply delightful and offers something new every time I read it. -M I've heard of Colleen Doran, though I don't think I've read much of her stuff before, so that’s nice to know!
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