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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 9, 2020 13:28:08 GMT -5
Yep, from what I understand after watching the trailers, Bond has retired in between Spectre and No Time to Die and been succeeded by a new 007, which much to the chagrin of a vocal minority on the internet is a black woman.
I'd have the same chagrin if it was ANY woman and the move was permanent.
The rumour is, she will continue to be 007 when Craig leaves.
I would take such rumours with a massive grain of salt! But even if it's true, it would probably just be a spin-off series, kind of like Fear the Walking Dead, which doesn't negate nor replace the original series. If people take to the spin-off, more power to them. Replacing James Bond permanently, however, would strike me as a particularly ill-advised financial move since I can't imagine any scenario in which our old 007 could successfully be rebooted as a lady. The character's fundamental characteristics are just too steeped in testosterone and so-called "toxic" masculinity to work with a woman, no matter how badass she is. If a lady spy is demanded by the public, it would make more sense, I think, to kickstart a modern Modesty Blaise franchise or to expand on the Atomic Blonde film (or an imitation thereof); the "007" brand on its own can only carry a new concept so far. I know that I would have little interest in a reinvention of Bond, be it as a lady, a dwarf, a mime or a vegan activist, unless reviews claimed that it was really good; the connection to the old Bond films wouldn't be enough to drag me to the theaters. And MGM can't really afford to gamble away the Bond franchise, which is one of the last few jewels in its crown. |
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Post by berkley on Dec 9, 2020 14:08:29 GMT -5
I can see how it might be an interesting twist or sub-plot for one film but no, not a permanent change if they want to maintain any semblance of, dare I say it continuity (with a small, non-comic-book "c") with Flemng's creation and the earlier movies.
(edit: Not sure where this should go, since we don't seem to have a dedicated general, as opposed to classic, movie thread, but I would love to see Atomic Blonde continue with a sequel and become a series as long as Theron's up to the role. {Spoiler: Click to show}
I want to see one more twist in which she's revealed not to be treacherously working for the bloody Yanks!
My current favourite for Modesty Blaise would be Gemma Chan - not because she's shown any great aptitude for fight scenes that I'm aware of but because she has the iner force of personality that I think would be a good fit for the part.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 14:27:49 GMT -5
I've always said, if you want to bring in new blood to the 00-franchise, use 001, 002 etc....but don't shoe-horn someone else into 007 just because it's the PC thing to do.
I've heard they might do 2 franchises now...one with James Bond as just James Bond, and the other with whoever is the flavour of the day as the new 007. Today it's Lynch. I just roll my eyes. Do you hear the sound of whirring? I think Fleming, Moore and Connery must be spinning in their graves.
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 9, 2020 15:09:50 GMT -5
I'd take everything James Bond with a grain of salt, at this point. Eon is great for starting rumors to generate interest in future films, especially when reviews have been bad on recent films (not necessarily in this instance; but, in general). The Brocolli kids are rather piss-poor producers, in my opinion, and killed this thing years ago, with script-by-committee, excessive product placement, and pointless stunts, rather than story, plot and character.
Every time an actor becomes flavor of the month, he is suddenly rumored to be in negotiations to be the next Bond. Idris Elba was the biggest name being tossed around, though age is quickly working against that idea. The female rumors seemed to start after the Doctor Who announcement. Personally, I think Eon starts this stuff to gage public reaction and then talks to agents.
There were side projects greenlit for Jinx (Die Another Day) and Wai Lin (Tomorrow Never Dies); but, they died off when MGM went bankrupt.
I'd love a Moneypenny film, where you see how she secretly runs the Secret Service, by manipulating M, Bond, Q and all the other males at MI-6. Then, we find out SPECTRE is actually controlled by Bloefeld's sisfter, who is Moneypenny's Sorority Sister. Ask Kim Newman to work up a script, since I swiped the idea, sort of, from his The Secrets of Drearcliffe Grange.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 15:16:04 GMT -5
For the new Bond, my pick would be Henry Cavill....I like Michael Fassbender too.
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Post by GoldenAge Heroes! on Feb 4, 2024 18:21:42 GMT -5
For the new Bond, my pick would be Henry Cavill....I like Michael Fassbender too.
I have a feeling when they pick a new 007 ( and at this point I hope that's what's happening, instead of some Woke PC genderswap replacement rumors ) it's probably gonna be an unknown. Just have that feeling. Just see some very talented, virtually unknown Brit from English theater and films. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 4, 2024 19:30:45 GMT -5
For the new Bond, my pick would be Henry Cavill....I like Michael Fassbender too.
I have a feeling when they pick a new 007 ( and at this point I hope that's what's happening, instead of some Woke PC genderswap replacement rumors ) it's probably gonna be an unknown. Just have that feeling. Just see some very talented, virtually unknown Brit from English theater and films. May the gods of celluloid hear you! |
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Post by GoldenAge Heroes! on Feb 5, 2024 12:12:10 GMT -5
I have a feeling when they pick a new 007 ( and at this point I hope that's what's happening, instead of some Woke PC genderswap replacement rumors ) it's probably gonna be an unknown. Just have that feeling. Just see some very talented, virtually unknown Brit from English theater and films. May the gods of celluloid hear you! Hahaaa, . . . well we'll see. But I have that feeling. Most of the Bond's with exception of Brosnan and Moore have been pretty low level or not the choice that most would have seen coming. Could be wrong. But nobody saw Lazenby coming, Craig was not most peoples first choice and Dalton ( who I've grown to really like ) came out of nowhere after Brosnan couldn't do it back in the day. Just my take. |
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Post by GoldenAge Heroes! on Feb 5, 2024 16:15:38 GMT -5
This may be a bit strange too some but my first 007 Bond ( or favorite when I was a kid-teen for a good while ) was George Lazenby, Oh I loved the others, but I just thought ( at the time anyway ) there was this cool mystery to him being this one-time bond and go-between Connery and Moore in '69'. It didn't hurt that I loved 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service' and I think that was the first James Bond movie I seriously watched.  |
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 5, 2024 21:46:25 GMT -5
Dalton didn't exactly come out of nowhere. He had been approached back when Connery left, but turned it down, feeling he was too young (he was about 24-25 and had just done The Lion in Winter). They came back around later, as he had aged to the right point. Too bad they gave him such mediocre material and villains to work with (more the villain, in Living Daylights, than anything else...whole film, for Licensed To Kill).
Dalton's father was in the Special Operations Executive, in WW2, so he was born and bred for the role.
Dalton said in interviews he was approached for OHMSS; but, if he was 24-25, that would have been after Diamonds Are Forever.
I'm an OHMSS fan and think Lazenby got a raw deal and is scapegoated for it not drawing as well (still made good money, though). If they had spent as much time having him work with acting coaches and rehearsing, as they did outfitting him for clothes and things, they would have had a better film. As it is, it's a great film and one of the best pure stories. Lazenby is great in the action scenes and comes across as deadly. He is also pretty good in the romantic scenes (he credited Diana Rigg with working with him there) and the stupid idea of dubbing him with George Baker's voice, when he is undercover, as Sir Hilary Bray, really undercut him.
Now, just about everything else I have seen him in is pretty bad; but, then again, they were cheapie films from South Africa and Europe, or stuff like the Return of the Man From UNCLE, where he is there for a gag, and The Master, where he isn't the worst thing in the episode.
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Post by GoldenAge Heroes! on Feb 6, 2024 12:25:11 GMT -5
Dalton didn't exactly come out of nowhere. He had been approached back when Connery left, but turned it down, feeling he was too young (he was about 24-25 and had just done The Lion in Winter). They came back around later, as he had aged to the right point. Too bad they gave him such mediocre material and villains to work with (more the villain, in Living Daylights, than anything else...whole film, for Licensed To Kill). Dalton said in interviews he was approached for OHMSS; but, if he was 24-25, that would have been after Diamonds Are Forever. Oh that's right, yes . . I forgot about that. He certainly was a big actor in 80's, I'm not saying he was a unknown by any means, but I don't think anyone at the time was yelling out his name as the next James Bond like we were with Brosnan. Could be wrong. Just my feelings. |
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Post by GoldenAge Heroes! on Feb 6, 2024 12:33:05 GMT -5
I'm an OHMSS fan and think Lazenby got a raw deal and is scapegoated for it not drawing as well (still made good money, though). If they had spent as much time having him work with acting coaches and rehearsing, as they did outfitting him for clothes and things, they would have had a better film. As it is, it's a great film and one of the best pure stories. Lazenby is great in the action scenes and comes across as deadly. He is also pretty good in the romantic scenes (he credited Diana Rigg with working with him there) Yes, I agree. They could have easily gave him a lesson or too, although I think he did quite a passable and enjoyable job altogether in the film. Still too this day what I wouldn't give that Lazenby could have stayed for one or two more Bond films. Boy, that would've been something to see.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2024 13:50:24 GMT -5
They are dragging their feet with the announcement of a new film and actor, probably because they have no idea what to do.
Killing off Bond in No Time To Die was ballsy, and not a big deal if they are considering another reboot as they did with Casino Royale....so Bond will start from the very beginning instead of 'how did he survive that?'
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Post by GoldenAge Heroes! on Feb 6, 2024 14:11:03 GMT -5
They are dragging their feet with the announcement of a new film and actor, probably because they have no idea what to do.
Killing off Bond in No Time To Die was ballsy, and not a big deal if they are considering another reboot as they did with Casino Royale....so Bond will start from the very beginning instead of 'how did he survive that?'
Hahaaa, yeah I get the feeling they are dragging too. But I rather them take there sweet time then rush out something halfass. This is going be strange territory to walk on, they just rebooted bond less than 20 yrs ago. And I can't imagine him surviving what he did either, but it is Bond so I guess we'll see. Oh course I can't imagine him dead either. It's gonna be interesting. |
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Post by berkley on Feb 9, 2024 1:28:10 GMT -5
Casino Royale and most of the other Bpnd novels still haven't been adapted to the screen as well as they could be. I think the best adaptations in terms catching some of the spirit of the books are the first few Connery films and On Her Majesty's Secret Service. But then Casino Royale is different as a book too because it wasn't written with a view to Bond being a continuing character so much as the subsequent ones were, though the idea might have been in the back of Fleming's mind even then.
For me, the movie Casino Royale tried so hard to be with it and up to date that it blends in too much with other action movies of the era. The only elements that gave it any individuality were those it took straight from the Fleming novel - and in fairness there were more of those than there'd been in any Bond movie for many a year - but they added so much extra stuff in an effort to be modern that I think it's already dated.
The next film incarnation of Bond is always of interest - and when you look at it, even though the movies themselves have been up and down, they have a pretty good track record as far as the actor chosen to play Bond goes. I have my favourites like any fan, but there isn't a single one that I'd say was a complete miss or an out and out bad choice, though some didn't work out as well as I would have hoped or expected - e.g. both Dalton and Brosnan are physically closer to the Bond of the books than most of the other actors who've played the part but I don't think either one quite captured the character, at least as I see it; but I think this was more the fault of the overall production around them than of themselves. So perhaps there's room for optimism in whoever the next choice turns out to be. Huddleston might have been interesting but I think that rumour has been laid to rest.
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