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Post by brutalis on Nov 4, 2019 8:02:41 GMT -5
While 70's Batman is my favored version, there was plenty of goodness being created in the 80's to enjoy as well. If you couldn't find a version of Batman to read and enjoy then you just weren't trying very hard! Yes, there is lots of bad to be found with our beloved Bat's turning too dark and grim and becoming nearly insane in doing so, there is much more to be savored. And as has been stated the 80's gave birth to lots of new enemies that have proven their worth and staying power while they have become mainstays for other writers to play with. There were lots of comics to choose from and the buzz around the movie in 1989 gave Bats and his friends even more publicity in the spotlight of public awareness.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 8:29:03 GMT -5
"Blind Justice" is another arc I like. I can't say the art appeals to me 100%, but I certainly appreciate the storyline - and the intrigue in Wayne's company.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 9:04:53 GMT -5
Mine will always be Sheldon Moldoff in the 50's
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Post by zaku on Nov 5, 2019 2:31:35 GMT -5
Uh, Why? It wasn't just a big recap of the Earth-1' Batman history? The answer to that is simple: social media is filled with trolls and troublemakers. They are akin to the cab passengers who just want to pick a fight or vomit everywhere for the sake of it. As Alfred once said, "Some men just want to watch the world burn..." You are absolutely right, so let me rephrase that: what was their pretext about the story? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 5:19:45 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand your question - or what I can say that hasn't already been said.
Some social media users were bickering over whether ULOTB was canon or not. As happens on social media, it turned toxic. Some claimed it was always meant to be canon (pre-Crisis), others claimed it was presented as non-canon. The bickering continued because social media is social media. Like any bickering, it died out.
The majority seemed to believe ULOTB was presented as canon. That's my belief, too. Others didn't. Can't really add to that.
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Post by tingramretro on Nov 5, 2019 5:52:50 GMT -5
Yes, 70s Batman is my Batman because so many 80s comics/UK annuals chose to reprint 70s stuff. In 1988, London Editions Magazines released a monthly Batman title here in Britain (2 US reprints per issue). It started off with reprints of "The Untold Legend of the Batman", but after that, began reprinting 70s tales. For its first 20 or so issues, it reprinted those arcs. With its 21st issue, it began reprinting "Blind Justice". A 1986 annual over here reprinted "The Joker's Five-Way Revenge" ( Batman #251), "A Vow From the Grave" ( Detective Comics #410), and "Fugitive From Two Worlds" ( The Brave and the Bold #155). All of those were 70s tales. For whatever reason, 80s UK reprints "plundered the archives" of 70s tales, so that is pretty much what I knew. In fact, for my entire childhood, I'd wager I read nothing but 70s Batman issues until the reprints began focusing on 80s tales. So, weirdly, born in 1980, but 70s Batman is "my" Batman. Work that anomaly out. In fact, it doesn't just apply to Bats. As a kid, the majority of Hulk tales I read were 60s/70s reprints. The majority of Spidey stories I read were 70s reprints. We were always lucky in the UK to have Marvel UK for the Marvel stuff and various licensees for the DC stuff. We had a comic which ran from 1992 to 1995 called The Exploits of Spider-Man (it began as The Complete Spider-Man). It initially reprinted the contemporary four Spidey titles, but later on, it became a 100-page comic which reprinted modern stuff, Lee/Ditko tales, and Spider-Man 2099. It'd be a good topic to do one day, because I think while nostalgia means we can have a fondness for the decades in which we were born, it isn't always that simple. One would think "my" Bond would be Dalton/Brosnan, given the era I grew up in, but I actually was raised on a "diet" of Roger Moore! I was also raised on a steady diet of Marvel UK, thoug in my case, being a child of the seventies, the reprints were often only a couple of years old. The London Editions DC stuff came much later; for me, DC reprints meant the annuals, and Egmont's "The Superheroes Monthly" and Superman and Batman Pocket Books. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 5:57:55 GMT -5
Those Egmont annuals are great (I had the 1986 one, but lost it during a house move. Or maybe someone stole it, LOL).
Modern UK annuals (for superheroes) tend to reprint recent stuff. Egmont annuals didn't. To think, the 1986 Egmont annual printed a 1971 story ("A Vow From The Grave" from Detective Comics #410). That's one of my favourite Bat-tales, but as a kid, I doubt I'd have come across a random 1971 comic. So those annuals really introduced me to pre-1980s Bat-stuff, and I will forever be grateful for those. Without reprints, I'd have not come across great stories from eras before I was born!
It's shame DC doesn't have a licensee in the UK right now. Yes, we can all buy the US originals easier now, but I did like the curated nature of reprints. I mean, I buy US Marvel titles, but I do buy reprints, too. I like The Mighty World of Marvel (monthly) as it reprints Marvel US stuff I may well have missed.
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Post by tingramretro on Nov 6, 2019 4:01:20 GMT -5
Those Egmont annuals are great (I had the 1986 one, but lost it during a house move. Or maybe someone stole it, LOL). Modern UK annuals (for superheroes) tend to reprint recent stuff. Egmont annuals didn't. To think, the 1986 Egmont annual printed a 1971 story ("A Vow From The Grave" from Detective Comics #410). That's one of my favourite Bat-tales, but as a kid, I doubt I'd have come across a random 1971 comic. So those annuals really introduced me to pre-1980s Bat-stuff, and I will forever be grateful for those. Without reprints, I'd have not come across great stories from eras before I was born! It's shame DC doesn't have a licensee in the UK right now. Yes, we can all buy the US originals easier now, but I did like the curated nature of reprints. I mean, I buy US Marvel titles, but I do buy reprints, too. I like The Mighty World of Marvel (monthly) as it reprints Marvel US stuff I may well have missed. More to the point, for me at least, Mighty World of Marvel and its sister titles reprint generally four US titles for the price of one original! It makes it a lot cheaper to keep up with stuff that wouldn't necessarily be a top priority for me. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 6, 2019 5:55:39 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand your question - or what I can say that hasn't already been said. Some social media users were bickering over whether ULOTB was canon or not. As happens on social media, it turned toxic. Some claimed it was always meant to be canon (pre-Crisis), others claimed it was presented as non-canon. The bickering continued because social media is social media. Like any bickering, it died out. The majority seemed to believe ULOTB was presented as canon. That's my belief, too. Others didn't. Can't really add to that. Why would anyone suppose it was presented as non-canon, I wonder? What would even be the point of presenting a three issue miniseries with the barest excuse for a plot, one that mostly just provides background information on supporting characters, if it was not supposed to be factual? What would be the point? We comic book fans like to argue about the strangest things. |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 6, 2019 6:05:38 GMT -5
For maybe the five people on the planet who don't know this, I reviewed nearly every Batman comic published between 1980 and 1990 in my Complete Batman: 1979-2011 Review Thread and yes, it's pretty much the best Batman material ever published as far as I'm concerned, ESPECIALLY the Pre-Crisis issues by Doug Moench, Gerry Conway, Gene Colan, and Don Newton. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 6, 2019 6:51:45 GMT -5
For maybe the five people on the planet who don't know this, I reviewed nearly every Batman comic published between 1980 and 1990 in my Complete Batman: 1979-2011 Review Thread and yes, it's pretty much the best Batman material ever published as far as I'm concerned, ESPECIALLY the Pre-Crisis issues by Doug Moench, Gerry Conway, Gene Colan, and Don Newton. You are a man of sound mind and refined taste, sir! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 11:51:46 GMT -5
For maybe the five people on the planet who don't know this, I reviewed nearly every Batman comic published between 1980 and 1990 in my Complete Batman: 1979-2011 Review Thread and yes, it's pretty much the best Batman material ever published as far as I'm concerned, ESPECIALLY the Pre-Crisis issues by Doug Moench, Gerry Conway, Gene Colan, and Don Newton. Especially Calendar Man and Doctor Phosphorus, right?  |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 6, 2019 13:46:50 GMT -5
For maybe the five people on the planet who don't know this, I reviewed nearly every Batman comic published between 1980 and 1990 in my Complete Batman: 1979-2011 Review Thread and yes, it's pretty much the best Batman material ever published as far as I'm concerned, ESPECIALLY the Pre-Crisis issues by Doug Moench, Gerry Conway, Gene Colan, and Don Newton. Especially Calendar Man and Doctor Phosphorus, right? Oy, Calendar Man... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 15:37:03 GMT -5
For maybe the five people on the planet who don't know this, I reviewed nearly every Batman comic published between 1980 and 1990 in my Complete Batman: 1979-2011 Review Thread and yes, it's pretty much the best Batman material ever published as far as I'm concerned, ESPECIALLY the Pre-Crisis issues by Doug Moench, Gerry Conway, Gene Colan, and Don Newton. It's been slow going over the past few years, but I've used your review thread as my template and guide to reading that run of Batman and Detective. I suppose I've made it through maybe 50 issues of it so far. I'm loving it though. I know one of 2020 goals will be to get back to following in your footsteps and getting more of the run read. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 16:21:02 GMT -5
I'd like to share this: in the late 80s (around 1988), TV-AM started repeating the 60s Batman series here. This was at the same time as London Editions Magazines started up the Batman reprint title.
The editor of the title, Brian Clarke, talked about how he was getting a lot of letters from people asking why Chief O'Hara and the red Bat-phone weren't in the stories. He had to respond about how he was reprinting 70s and 80s tales - and none of those facets would be in his books. The point I am making is that the shadow of Adam West's show still loomed large!
Also, not everything was reprinted in order. What was the name of Bruce Wayne's red-headed secretary? Caroline something? In the early issues, Wayne was familiar with her, but the tenth issue reprinted their first meeting. A bit confusing to us Brits.
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