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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 13:03:48 GMT -5
That Flashpoint Zatanna is unbelievable.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Oct 10, 2014 13:06:07 GMT -5
Wonder Man has never had a decent costume. The poor guy is cursed. He starts off looking like a cross between a wilderness guide/40's movie director and ends up not having costume at all with the ionic energy sheath. Plus he looks disturbingly like a young Jim Shooter... His costume in his 1991 series wasn't so bad. I mean it was nothing original, fairly simplistic spandex outfit for a buff guy. Certainly less of an eyesore than the one just posted. But that's about all the WM I've ever read, other than real early Avenger issues without any context to the character's history. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Oct 10, 2014 13:29:14 GMT -5
Wonder Man has never had a decent costume. The poor guy is cursed. He starts off looking like a cross between a wilderness guide/40's movie director and ends up not having costume at all with the ionic energy sheath. Plus he looks disturbingly like a young Jim Shooter... His costume in his 1991 series wasn't so bad. I mean it was nothing original, fairly simplistic spandex outfit for a buff guy. Certainly less of an eyesore than the one just posted. But that's about all the WM I've ever read, other than real early Avenger issues without any context to the character's history. The black one was decent, but he just never looked right to me. He's one of those characters that has always been a bit of an enigma for me. I kinda like him...yet I'm sort of apathetic toward him most of the time. |
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Post by berkley on Oct 10, 2014 13:41:54 GMT -5
I liked Wonder Man's original costume well enough and even the much-disparaged and brief-lived Perez redesign from around Avengers 160 or so. Don't like the ionic look or the safari jacket.
One thing a lot of bad costumes in general seem to have in common is that they're attempts at making a more traditional costume look more up-to-date - and of course all too often they end up looking all the more dated very quickly as the trends they were influenced by fade away. The big shoulder pads if the 90s, for example, and the exposed thongs of a few years later didn't take long to start looking more old-fashioned than the costumes they replaced.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Oct 10, 2014 13:54:26 GMT -5
I liked Wonder Man's original costume well enough and even the much-disparaged and brief-lived Perez redesign from around Avengers 160 or so. Don't like the ionic look or the safari jacket. One thing a lot of bad costumes in general seem to have in common is that they're attempts at making a more traditional costume look more up-to-date - and of course all too often they end up looking all the more dated very quickly as the trends they were influenced by fade away. The big shoulder pads if the 90s, for example, and the exposed thongs of a few years later didn't take long to start looking more old-fashioned than the costumes they replaced. Expanding on this observation ... I would say recent, 80's to present (and increasingly more so to the present) fashion seems to be more fickle, quickly fading faster than times of real early comic characters created in the 50's and 60's. This may be a false observation on my part as I didn't live in either of those decades, but have through the rest of them. Even something from the late 90's early 00's can look dated by today's fashion if the costume redesign was influenced by the fashion popular then. So while Zatanna's top hat fishnets is "outdated" and the Flashpoint is "outdated" both are sexy and appealing in different ways and to different people. But there's something in the element of the top hat on a gal that no matter how dated or out of place it may seem by fashion standards, it's still sexy, at least to me. Some costumes have an element about them, that helps them endure the times of fashion and humanity fickle state of mind, whether they still look impractical in reality or outdated by present standards. In my opinion (and it seems mostly with male characters this opinion stands) that the simpler the costume, the longer it survives the test of time. Women's costumes, on the other hand, I enjoy change because I like women, and I like how different things look on them, in life, TV or comic books. |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Oct 10, 2014 15:10:42 GMT -5
I liked Wonder Man's original costume well enough and even the much-disparaged and brief-lived Perez redesign from around Avengers 160 or so. Don't like the ionic look or the safari jacket. One thing a lot of bad costumes in general seem to have in common is that they're attempts at making a more traditional costume look more up-to-date - and of course all too often they end up looking all the more dated very quickly as the trends they were influenced by fade away. The big shoulder pads if the 90s, for example, and the exposed thongs of a few years later didn't take long to start looking more old-fashioned than the costumes they replaced. Expanding on this observation ... I would say recent, 80's to present (and increasingly more so to the present) fashion seems to be more fickle, quickly fading faster than times of real early comic characters created in the 50's and 60's. This may be a false observation on my part as I didn't live in either of those decades, but have through the rest of them. Even something from the late 90's early 00's can look dated by today's fashion if the costume redesign was influenced by the fashion popular then. So while Zatanna's top hat fishnets is "outdated" and the Flashpoint is "outdated" both are sexy and appealing in different ways and to different people. But there's something in the element of the top hat on a gal that no matter how dated or out of place it may seem by fashion standards, it's still sexy, at least to me. Some costumes have an element about them, that helps them endure the times of fashion and humanity fickle state of mind, whether they still look impractical in reality or outdated by present standards. In my opinion (and it seems mostly with male characters this opinion stands) that the simpler the costume, the longer it survives the test of time. Women's costumes, on the other hand, I enjoy change because I like women, and I like how different things look on them, in life, TV or comic books. In this situation, Zatanna's original costume still looks good because it's based on a classic look, the stage magician. There's no time period or situation whatsoever in which that Flashpoint mess would have been acceptable, with the possible exception of the adult entertainment industry. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Oct 10, 2014 15:27:13 GMT -5
Expanding on this observation ... I would say recent, 80's to present (and increasingly more so to the present) fashion seems to be more fickle, quickly fading faster than times of real early comic characters created in the 50's and 60's. This may be a false observation on my part as I didn't live in either of those decades, but have through the rest of them. Even something from the late 90's early 00's can look dated by today's fashion if the costume redesign was influenced by the fashion popular then. So while Zatanna's top hat fishnets is "outdated" and the Flashpoint is "outdated" both are sexy and appealing in different ways and to different people. But there's something in the element of the top hat on a gal that no matter how dated or out of place it may seem by fashion standards, it's still sexy, at least to me. Some costumes have an element about them, that helps them endure the times of fashion and humanity fickle state of mind, whether they still look impractical in reality or outdated by present standards. In my opinion (and it seems mostly with male characters this opinion stands) that the simpler the costume, the longer it survives the test of time. Women's costumes, on the other hand, I enjoy change because I like women, and I like how different things look on them, in life, TV or comic books. In this situation, Zatanna's original costume still looks good because it's based on a classic look, the stage magician. There's no time period or situation whatsoever in which that Flashpoint mess would have been acceptable, with the possible exception of the adult entertainment industry. I agree that the Flashpoint costume is looking like something in an adult entertainment fetish video. But it's not as if leather/latex fetish anything new. The design may be different, but ever since the 50's at least (to my own research and reading, with Bettie Page photos and their distribution by Irving Claw, as well as magazines like Exotique and Bizzare) it's really nothing new. It's just something that is less shunned as evil and able to make it's onto a female comic book character, instead of glossy B&Ws that had be distributed like alcohol during prohibition. I'm not so much arguing the point of which is preferred, as to each their own, I just know that with my interest in female fetishwear, sexy leather/latex costumes may have be new to comics, but they are not new to fashion. I think both are "classic" if one can agree on that term simply for the length of time in their existence. |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Oct 10, 2014 15:35:53 GMT -5
In this situation, Zatanna's original costume still looks good because it's based on a classic look, the stage magician. There's no time period or situation whatsoever in which that Flashpoint mess would have been acceptable, with the possible exception of the adult entertainment industry. I agree that the Flashpoint costume is looking like something in an adult entertainment fetish video. But it's not as if leather/latex fetish anything new. The design may be different, but ever since the 50's at least (to my own research and reading, with Bettie Page photos and their distribution by Irving Claw, as well as magazines like Exotique and Bizzare) it's really nothing new. It's just something that is less shunned as evil and able to make it's onto a female comic book character, instead of glossy B&Ws that had be distributed like alcohol during prohibition. I'm not so much arguing the point of which is preferred, as to each their own, I just know that with my interest in female fetishwear, sexy leather/latex costumes may have be new to comics, but they are not new to fashion. I think both are "classic" if one can agree on that term simply for the length of time in their existence. I would reject that as the criteria for "classic". Just because something has existed for a long time doesn't make it, in my opinion, a classic. Classic is more for something that has not only been around a long time, but been accepted by society, and generally regarded positively. Fetish wear, outside of certain small circles, doesn't fit either of the latter two criteria. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Oct 10, 2014 15:46:30 GMT -5
I agree that the Flashpoint costume is looking like something in an adult entertainment fetish video. But it's not as if leather/latex fetish anything new. The design may be different, but ever since the 50's at least (to my own research and reading, with Bettie Page photos and their distribution by Irving Claw, as well as magazines like Exotique and Bizzare) it's really nothing new. It's just something that is less shunned as evil and able to make it's onto a female comic book character, instead of glossy B&Ws that had be distributed like alcohol during prohibition. I'm not so much arguing the point of which is preferred, as to each their own, I just know that with my interest in female fetishwear, sexy leather/latex costumes may have be new to comics, but they are not new to fashion. I think both are "classic" if one can agree on that term simply for the length of time in their existence. I would reject that as the criteria for "classic". Just because something has existed for a long time doesn't make it, in my opinion, a classic. Classic is more for something that has not only been around a long time, but been accepted by society, and generally regarded positively. Fetish wear, outside of certain small circles, doesn't fit either of the latter two criteria. Fair enough. People see things differently. On to the next debate! : -) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 15:53:35 GMT -5
Since DE Sinclair is too shy to post about his favorite Bananman....    -M |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 15:58:39 GMT -5
Speaking of bad Zatanna costumes...her first new52 costume was pretty bad too...  Fishnets as sleeves is not a good design choice, neither was the strapless bodice for an action hero, and the tats will (already do) seem dated rather than edgy. -M |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Oct 10, 2014 16:10:02 GMT -5
Since DE Sinclair is too shy to post about his favorite Bananman.... -M Am I the only one who thinks BananaMan is really happy to be here? |
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Post by Pharozonk on Oct 10, 2014 16:13:30 GMT -5
Since DE Sinclair is too shy to post about his favorite Bananman.... -M Am I the only one who thinks BananaMan is really happy to be here? I think he's just happy to see you. |
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Post by Dr. Poison on Oct 10, 2014 16:36:18 GMT -5
Speaking of bad Zatanna costumes...her first new52 costume was pretty bad too... Fishnets as sleeves is not a good design choice, neither was the strapless bodice for an action hero, and the tats will (already do) seem dated rather than edgy. -M Agreed. She looked more like a Hot Topic groupie than a mystic hero. |
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Oct 10, 2014 16:53:49 GMT -5
I agree 100% with the Daredevil and Cap costumes posted from the 90's. Simply brutal. I disagree 100% with masked Dr. Strange. I counted that look in the old CBR countdown of coolest looks. I like classic Strange, don't get me wrong, but that costume was just so well drawn and just seemed cool. Batman has some bad ones. Obvious choice would be the nipples on the bat suit in the one movie. Or this....terrible. Robin even looks worse somehow. Good thing it was a one off looking at some of Bruce Wayne's designs.  My favourite character is Spidey and nothing pains me more than this. What were they thinking? As someone who dislikes Superman, the fact they gave Spidey the ability to fly and then also gave him this mish mash costume just bothered me.  |
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